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Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'm Geoff Raskin from IR, and I'm pleased to have with us Laurent Nielly, our CEO, and Geert Peeters, our CFO, to present the outcome of our strategic review and the results of the first half year of 2026. Before that, let me remind you of the safe harbor regarding forward-looking statements. I will not read it out loud, but I will assume you will have duly noted it. With that cleared up, Laurent, over to you.

Thank you, Geoff, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, we have several key messages to share. Of course, our H1 results and our outlook revision, but also the change of CFO we just announced. And I want to take the opportunity to thank him not only for his numerical contribution in the last 2.5 years, but also to be there with me today as we guide you through some of the key changes at Antex. And in fact, today, I will spend my comments on the strategic review first before moving to highlights of H1 and our outlook. Then Geert will cover the financial analysis of the half year. I will come back to give you our priorities for the remainder of the years. When I took the helm of the company, my first mission was to ensure we would stabilize our business. This task will stay with us as we face a difficult environment. We've been very fast in deploying pricing actions while at the same time pushing for more cost initiatives. In parallel, my first six months as CEO have been dedicated to taking a fresh and objective look at every aspect of our business. With the support of the board, we did deep review in both North America and Europe, leveraging external advisor and our full team. The outcome of this work is leading to a fundamental transformation of the company to resume both top and bottom line. We have not waited to enter into execution mode. Actually, the consequences of the Middle East crisis made it all the most urgent for us to act. And as you can see here, we have taken already many steps. Finally, I have made several changes in our leadership team in addition to the new CFO we announced today, We have backfilled the head of Europe and have a new head of North America. But let me now explain a little bit more what is behind our fundamental transformation. It is articulated around four measureships. First shift is to increase structural productivity by launching an ambitious, expanded program which we label Focus to Value. It will be a central pillar of the transformation, and I'll come back on the next slide with more details. Second, We are resetting our approach in North America to transition from volume-led expansion to a disciplined value creation model focused on profitability, asset efficiency, and returns. Third and fourth relate to Europe, where we will both accelerate adult care, the cornerstone of our future profitable growth, while adopting a more targeted approach to protect our important baby and feminine care positions. So let me expand on the Focus to Value program, which encompasses all productivity initiatives of the company. Reflecting on what we experienced in the past few years and building on the work with advisors, we have set clear and ambitious targets with a scope that goes deeper and broader, including cross-functional initiatives to further reduce complexity and waste and with a focus on performance-driven culture. We aim to deliver €240 million of savings over 26-28 versus our 25 baseline, which represents €40 million more than the €200 million we had committed for. Actions have already started to further adjust the cost base, amplify product and logistics savings with simplification, lean manufacturing and network optimization, a streamlined organization across white-collar functions. There, at the end of the program, we aim to reduce white-collar position outside manufacturing by more than 20%. To achieve the incremental 40 million euros identified, it will require additional restructuring costs of about 30 to 35 million euros, leading to a total of about 60, 65 million restructuring for the total program to be phased over the next 24 months, of which about 20 million impacting the second half of 20C. To ensure we don't lose any time and are able to adjust as the business evolves, we have put in place a transformation management office, which is operational today. Let me now take you to our changes in North America. There, we have a clear case for change. Market dynamics have evolved in the past few years in the baby market. We have a complex setup that is suboptimal to drive cost leadership. combined to a business that does not deliver the returns expected on the high investment we realized. This is leading us to fundamentally reset the approach to prioritize profitability. We have a new leadership in place. We've already adjusted our plans and have started to simplify our operational setup, which includes a thorough review of our assets and capacity. This resulted to a significant non-cash impairment to adjust both the historical goodwill and the Asset Base. What we're pursuing? Progressively shift our portfolio where we can generate profit, and we believe there are many opportunities to do so. Deliver a simpler operating model, all aiming to return to sustained cash flow generation. Let me now touch briefly on Europe. Adult care is a structurally attractive growing category where we already hold a strong position. It will become the cornerstone of our future growth. We will increase focus and investment in capacity, innovation and go to market. That will reinforce our leadership and allow us to grow volume and volume share across retail and healthcare channels. This is obviously a topic that we will share more elements of in the future interactions. But at the same time, We intend to protect our very important position in baby and feminine care. But we concluded here too that we had to approach it in a different way. As market declines, especially in baby, as we still have legacy assets that drive complexity despite our many recent efforts, we are reviewing our approach to ensure we allocate our resources where we can best unlock value to our customers and to us. At very specific times, it might mean to rely more on outsourcing partner. At other times, it might mean that we define our innovation strategy much more in tune with our asset capability to optimize investment. In all cases, this is to best position us to continue to serve our priority customers the best way possible. To execute this shift, we have identified selective opportunities to simplify our asset base, retire some old lines to again drive efficiency. This explains why we have recorded some non-cash impairment here as well. All that to pursue clear goals, protect our volume share by focusing where we can make the difference for our customers, unlock innovation speed and productivity to improve return on capital. To enable the transformation, we have mentioned additional restructuring costs and alluded to Non-Cash Impairment, which will total $144 million that Geert will detail more in his part. This is consistent with our ambition to simplify our operations, to focus on segments best placed to improve returns, thereby shaping a more resilient, cash-generating, and value-driven context. Let me now transition to our second key topic and share highlights of H1 and our revised outlook. Our H1 performance was mostly characterized by year-on-year lower demand leading to lower volume. It drove revenue down 2.2% like for like and adjusted EBITDA margin by 0.7% at points. The result of the lower volume? Well, cost inflation was offset by productivity. Nevertheless, we generated positive free cash flow and combined with some M&A inflows This brought our net debt down to reduce leverage over the half one to 3.2 times. Let's look at quarterly evolution on the next slide. What is encouraging to see is that we have managed to stabilize the quarterly performance since the fourth quarter last year, and this despite the more challenging environment. Well, year on year, our Q1 performance was well below last year in Q2 revenue was in line and adjusted the bid-die stable. In fact, adjusted EBITDA is stable over the last three quarters, a good outcome of our singular focus on stabilizing the business. Albeit, we all agree at a level we would like to see higher. We will keep this minor focus on stabilizing our business, yet we know that in the middle, this crisis impact will be more severe in Q3. So that leads me now to look at H2. where indeed we expect to continue to operate in an equally challenging and volatile environment. The demand side has softened a bit further compared to what we expected and we believe it's going to remain mostly unchanged with still the opportunity that we have and the headwind that we have. On the cost side however, the geopolitical situation remains uncertain and is pressuring our margin. It is fair to say that The speed and the intensity of the cost increase in Q2 was more than what we had expected. But we are taking actions, and as we explained earlier, we expect to fully recover the cost impact over time, yet with time in delay. The situation remains fluid, as all you know, with changes every day, every week. Based on the evolution so far and the latest assumption, we are revising and broadening the outlook as presented on the next slide. Adjusted the BDA to end up in the range of 165 to 180 million euros, which midpoints is broadly aligned with prior year results and latest consensus. Driving this, we expect revenue to be broadly stable and some margin recovery as we enter Q4, as the pricing actions and efficiency initiatives start to more than offset the cost inflation. We expect negative free cash flow between 10 and 25 million euros. The decrease versus the previous positive outlook is the result of the lower expected adjusted EBITDA and the higher restructuring costs partly offset by better working capital management results. The combination of both is to keep leverage below 3.5 times at the end of the year. The point that Geert will comment further. So perfect transition to our H1 financial review. Geert, up to you.

Thanks a lot, Laurent. Let me go through the year on year performance of the first half year results. As Laurent pointed out, revenue declined 2% like for like driven by volumes, although Q2 showed a mild growth. On top of VIX being mainly the US dollar depreciation added another 1% decrease. Baby and feminine care volumes came out 4% lower. Both can be explained by the decrease in contract manufacturing volumes as well some contract exits in overseas regions which were anticipated. When we only look at retailer brands we actually did better than the market. Our baby care volumes were largely stable in Europe and even slightly increased in North America while both markets for retailer brands actually showed a mid single digit decline. Ontex mainly benefited from a strong position in baby pants which continues to grow double digit. Adult care also continued to show growth albeit more modest by 1%. This is due to a robust performance in the healthcare channel whereas in retail volumes were down linked to on-text customer exposure and temporary capacity constraints. Although we have committed price increases in Q2 to mitigate the cost inflation, this will only impact the second half of the year. The negative price impact you notice in the revenue bridge of H1 is still a carryover from last year as a response to raw material price increases in that year. Moving to adjusted EBDA on the next page. The lower volume and revenue pushed our adjusted EBITDA 12 million euro lower. We managed, however, to reduce costs by 2 million euro net, thanks to savings offsetting the rising input price environment. Raw material prices started to go up due to the Middle East crisis, especially from June onwards, as the constructually delayed impact of indices kicked in. This was primarily the case of oil derivatives such as bag sheets and certain packaging materials. Other input costs rose as well, but earlier, from March onwards, in particular transport costs driven by the higher diesel price. Supply chain inefficiencies, which started in the second quarter of the year, are improving, but still impacted the comparison, especially in the first quarter. Our cost transformation program has been continued, but at the same time deepened and broadened under the new name Focus to Value. It contributed significant savings in cost of goods sold and SG&A. Last but not least, the translation impact was slightly positive. Altogether, adjusted EBITDA came down by 9% to 78 million euro and margin by 0.7 percentage points to 9.1%. Let's dive a bit deeper in the full P&L on the next slide. The adjusted profit for the half year was plus 9 million euro, slightly better than last year despite the lower adjusted EBDA. Main reason are the net financial costs which amounted this year to 19 million euro but were inflated last year by unrealized negative forex impacts. That's where we're temporarily and mostly recovered in the second half of 25. Adjusted tax was somewhat higher than last year due to the higher net profit before tax. The adjusted figures exclude two buckets of one-off costs being on one hand the restructuring costs and these amount to 9 million euro net and consists of partial provisions of 21 million euro for the focus to value program of which a small part was already expensed in H1. That was partly offset by a positive 12 million euro accrual for tax that we expect to reclaim in the future in Brazil. and on the other hand we have the non-cash impairments for 144 million euro triggered by the strategic review as been explained by Laurent. 51 million euro is the impairment of the goodwill on the North America business where we have reviewed our ambitions and the other 93 million euro is on assets mostly equipment in baby and feminine care categories where we adjust capacity and focus on our core assets. This brings us to a total loss for the period of €143 million, which compares also to a negative amount last year of €115 million. But last year, we also had non-cash impact, but for different reasons. Namely, due to the divestment of the Brazilian business, the cumulative translation reserves were recycled from the balance sheet into the P&L in 2025. As you notice, the P&L is impacted by several non-cash effects. Let us now look into the cash flow of the first year half, which shows a much brighter picture. We managed to realize in the first half of the year a positive free cash flow before interest of 27 million euro and including interest of 7 million euro. Our continuous focus on improving working capital delivered results. Indeed, net working capital over revenue dropped by 0.6 percentage points to 4.5%. The improvement is a combination of optimizing payment terms and inventory levels. We had a positive impact from employee benefits. This is due to the difference between the accrual for variable remuneration related to 26 and the actual lower payout on the performance of 25, which occurred in the first half of 26. As to CAPEX, that amount was 29 million euro. which is 3.4% of revenue and is relatively low but is linked to the phasing over the year because in the meantime we have commitments so that CAPEX levels will catch up in the second half of the year. We paid out €11 million restructuring costs in the first half of the year which are mostly related to the finalization of the Belgium footprint optimization. Also some initial actions have been executed on the focus to value program. and then the tax and financing cash outs were slightly lower than last year. That brings us to an overview of the net debt on the next slide. Our net debt further reduced by 6% or 37 million euro of which we cash flow contributed plus 7 million euro as explained on the previous slide. We also had 29 million euro positive impact from M&A activities mainly thanks to the repatriation of the cash in Algeria. This cash comes from the divestment of the Algerian business in 24, which took time to repatriate until Q125 and was classified as a financial asset at the end of 25. Within the M&A block, we also have some limited post-closing adjustments related to the Brazil and Turkey divestments last year. Net debt thereby amounted to €540 million at the end of June and gross debt to €619 million. Debt included 68 million euro drawn on the RCF, which represents 25% of the total capacity. And we finished the first half year with a cash position of 79 million euro. And then the last slide on finance. Our prime focus as a management remains, of course, reducing net debt and keeping sufficient leverage headroom despite pressure on the LTM EBDA. Thanks to decreasing net debt as explained before, we managed to reverse the uplift of the leverage ratio at the end of 2025 by reducing it back from 3.3 last year to 3.2 at the end of the first half of the year. This keeps us well below the 3.5 times threshold of the RCF Covenant and we expect to remain below that level going forward. Our liquidity position remains strong with about 280 million euro based on our cash position and 75% of the RCF on drone. So we can conclude that we have the financial flexibility needed to execute our plans. With that covered, I hand over to Laurent.

Thank you Geert. And before we move to a Q&A, let me close with our priorities for H2. It is very clear that we need to focus on delivering the outlook that we just shared and to put in motion The strategic transformation we announced. But first, we will continue the pricing actions to pass through cost inflation. We will also continue with our saving initiative, helped by the start of our focus to value program. The third focus is to ensure that the capacity that we have put in place in the last two years, especially in adult care, is ramping up to its full potential. Fourth, we will continue to work to preserve our balance sheet strengths and financial flexibility, which again, we see is sufficient to execute our transformation agenda. And finally, we will continue to evolve the organization to future requirements, be it as a result of the streamlining actions that we're taking or to ensure our operating model is best suited to deliver on our ambition. With that, Geert and I are ready to take your questions.

Thank you, Laurent and Geert, for the Q&A session. If you wish to ask a question, please dial the pound key followed by five, and that will allow you to enter the queue. And if you wish to withdraw your question, please dial the pound key followed by six. And please, of course, limit your questions to two. The first question comes from Carina Elias from Barclays. Carina, the floor is yours.

Thank you Geoff and thank you Laurent and Geert for the presentation. I just had two questions if I may. Looking at the Q2 performance, I saw that the net cost of the benefit was 7 million and I was just trying to understand what the impact of these would have been. I think you mentioned it would have impacted June, so I am just trying to understand what the building blocks were for that. you know related to that should we think that this obviously will annualize in Q3 and Q4 because obviously your Q3 EBITDA last year was a bit higher than at 51 million if I remember correctly and then my second question was if you can just remind us of what the minimum liquidity that you need to run the business thank you I will take these questions on

The second one is a very easy one because we have no covenant anymore on the liquidity. So it was one we had in the past, but not anymore since the renewal of the RCF a year ago. On the Q2 performance, the net cost impact, we started having impact from the Middle East. But as I said, it started in June based on the indices. You know, there's a delay on indices. In Q1, we still had some limited positive impacts. And if you take all together our net costs, it's a sum of some negative Middle East impacts, also some diesel, of course, that kicked in from March onwards. And on the other hand, some inefficiencies we had in Q1. and at the same time we of course we continue having our cost transformation program which we brought now into the focus to value and all that together gave you the net cost impact that you find in our bridge.

But I think Carina to give you an element on questions we estimate that we had at least 10 million of additional inflation in Q2 due to the Middle East crisis.

That's very helpful and should we expect a similar impact in Q3 or because of the fact that the timing was end of June we should expect inflation to be a bit higher than the 10 million?

As I mentioned we expect the biggest impact to be in Q3 and then to slide to decrease as we go into Q4.

Okay, that's great. And just for the liquidity point, I'm aware of the covenant point, but just in general, what sort of like cash balance, you know, you'd like to keep to run the business typically? I mean, it's been stable at 70-79 and obviously you've got the availability under the RCF. Am I right in thinking that you need about 150 typically to operate the business?

No, no, it's lower. So we can run at about 50 million euro. and an important is as you said to stress the fact that we are we still have a huge headroom on the RCF so we can easily increase our our cash position if we like so we keep we typically keep it between the 50 and the 100 million euro but 50 is sufficient that's great thank you so much thank you Carina the next question comes from Sanjay Bhagwani from Citigroup Sanjay

Thank you very much for taking my question and also presenting the strategic review outcome. My first one is on the cost savings program. Are you able to help us understand how much of the 240 million saving target actually is likely to flow into the P&L that is a net impact? and what could be the face in of that will be, I mean, I can imagine some of this is already showing up in H126. So how should we think of this for 26 and 27 of the total 240 million? That's my first question and I'll just follow up the next one after this.

Maybe I'll take that question, Sanjay. Thank you for the question. You know, the 240 is our total saving program and it's used to cover inflation, to cover also some targeted investment that we do in some categories and geographies. And then obviously the rest will go to margin expansion. And, you know, this is a relatively complex equation, which we don't disclose precisely. We'll do later when we share our midterm financial ambition. but what we mentioned here is that the 40 million incremental that is in this 240, we aim to flow it through from a 2 EBITDA expansion.

Thank you, that is very helpful. And I think the second is a bit more housekeeping question on this one-off tax benefit. So what could be the cash timing of this? Around the 12 million I think you mentioned. This reclaim, when should we see the cash coming in for this? And if this cash has already been baked into the full year guidance or not for the cash flow?

Thanks also for that question, Sanjay. Very good you asked this because it will take some time. It's because in Brazil things are taking time in order to recover tax from government. So it can take another two, three years. So it's not part of our guidance. We don't expect it this year. The reason we booked it is that we had a positive outcome of a card case. So we have a very strong position.

Thank you. Very clear.

Thank you, Sanjay. Next question comes from Maxime Straner from ING Bank. Maxime, it's up to you.

Hi, good morning. Two questions on my side, if I may. First one would be on restructuring costs. You have announced now that you will spend 60 to 65 million over the next 24 months. Could you maybe a bit elaborate on what the payback period you see on that investment and how basically you see the phasing of those savings in the short to medium term? that would be the first one and then secondly if I look at the new guidance of the company and obviously given the difficult history of ONTEX with regards to guidance can you maybe elaborate on the building blocks and how and what basically assumptions are behind the low and the upper end of the guidance that would be all for me thank you okay thanks Maxime I will take the first one

On restructuring, I will explain it a little bit more elaborate because I can imagine there are from the other analysts also questions about that. So before we mentioned that we would have restructuring costs of 10 plus 30 million euro. That was what we explained a couple of months ago. The 10 was related to the footprint of Belgium. That's mainly the cash out that we had in the first year of the first of the year. So that 10 is gone. and the other 30 that we increased now from 60 to 65. So that means it's another 30 to 35 million. Out of that 60 to 65, we believe, that's what Laurent said, that 20 million will be in the second half of the year. the remaining part of the amount we will try to of course accelerate and realize as much as possible our transformation program in the course of 27 what means that most of those costs the cash out will be in 27 from a P&L point of view it might be that we take decisions now that it will be in the P&L of 26

cash out will be mainly the part on top of the 20 million of the second half of this year will be mainly in 27. is that is that clear yes but that was only part of my question my focus was mainly on the payback period you see so basically if you invest those 20 million today What basically timeline do you expect to catch up those 20 million investments? That's basically the focus I have.

Well, you know, maybe Maxime, what we can share is that we communicated that there is, you know, we are committed to 40 million incremental productivity to flow through and for which we're going to spend 30 to 35 million. So you see that's the kind of payback that you have there, right? So it's a slightly below one. Now, from the exact timing of perspective, some actions are already in implementation mode, some will take through 27. So, you know, but roughly, this is the math that you can use. And maybe I'll take your second question on the guidance revision and why broadening the range or creating a range. And the key reason is really linked to the volatility and the uncertainty on the outcome and the impact of the Middle East crisis with changes in oil price and raw material indices by the week. And so what we did was to look at the two key factors that are impacted by that volatility. On the one hand, it's the cost that we have. And so we created a series of scenarios. and on the other hand, it's the speed at which the pricing will be executed. Because while we're progressing very well on executing our pricing, sometimes we still work with our customers to find the best timing to reflect that pricing so that we can find the right solution to protect the volume and their position in the market. So when you combine those two variables, this is why we thought it would be more prudent given the visibility that we have on the cost evolution to create a range.

That's very clear. Thank you for your answers. Okay, thank you, Maxime. The next question comes from Rebecca Clements from JP Morgan. Rebecca, the line is open.

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Stepping back a little bit with this strategic change, could you just elaborate a little bit on what exactly does protect mode mean for baby and fem care in the context of, do you have relationships with the same customers across all of the categories you're in and how should we think about this? Because protect could mean many things, but does it mean you're actually probably gonna end up being a smaller business in those two divisions going forward? That's my first question.

No, otherwise we would not have been called Protect, right? So Protect is really to defend and to hold on to our position. But in order to do that, to be more choiceful on where we allocate resources. So if you think about it, it's to really think about where we have the best changes and the best segments to be able to create value for our customers. So for instance, if you talk about baby, we know that baby pants, and large sizes of diapers are the two growing segments on which we want to help our customers to fully benefit from the opportunity. It might mean, on the other hand, it might mean that on some of the subcategories of Femcare, we protect and we protect our position, but we are going to find solutions with some co-manufacturing partners so that we can be much more choiceful on where we put our own capital across the different segments and assets. but we aim to defend that business, Rebecca.

Okay, and that carries over as well to North America given the capacity expansion?

The North America, you know, for all sake of understanding is mostly a baby market, right? We had very, very tiny position in femcare. There, you know, as we expressed earlier, What we're doing is to review the full portfolio of product and customers and really understand where we have best chances to win. It's not that we are going to proactively exit markets, it's that you have to make a choice on where you allocate your resources to win those contracts and to be the best partner for those customers. And I think what we've concluded is we can't do it across the entire portfolio blindly. and we're gonna be more choiceful. But that doesn't mean that there are not opportunity for growth. There are many opportunity for growth. It's gonna be approached in a different way.

Okay, that's extremely helpful. And then just in my second question in the context of that, is there any change in expectation to the amount of CapEx? I don't know that you really gave formal guidance, but I think I had it running kind of 4%, almost 4% of revenue. Is that an appropriate way to look at it or is there going to be retrenchment on CAPEX as well?

I can take that one, Rebecca. Indeed, in the past we always said we would be around the 4%. Actually, most of the time we were talking about 3.5% and 4.5%. We believe it's important that we continue investing in the business. We also see a lot of opportunities. The first one is of course in adults where there's significant growth that we still expect but it's also about automation. We see quite some automation opportunities with a nice payback and we're also in a large digitalization program as a group. So actually if we find the right business cases because we will assess everything of course individually with the good paybacks then we aim to be at the higher end of the range that means more to the four and a half percent on a case-by-case basis to be assessed.

But maybe to complement that I think you know versus the recent past you could you could assume that there will be proportionately less capex in North America because we had invested heavily to build that capacity proportion you know and then in Europe, you would assume that most of the CAPEX would go to either those productivity opportunity or digitalization opportunity or to adult.

Understood. Thanks very much.

Thank you, Karina. So just as a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial the pound key followed by five. And the next question comes from Wim Hostet from KBC. Wim, up to you.

Yes, good morning. Thanks for the opportunity to ask questions. I have a couple of ones. First, on North America, can you offer a bit more granularity on the ambition levels you still have there with regards to revenue, also the kind of margin potential that the markets would offer, and then also regarding the operational setup with the production Mexico-US, how should we think about that operational setup if you can offer a bit more That granularity data would be nice. And the second question, or second set of questions, would be more on the overall level of competitiveness and promotional pressure with the A-labels, certainly in Europe. Can you offer a bit of granularity there on the start of the Q3, how that is kind of evolving, what kind of signals you're getting in each of the individual countries or markets, where there's an easing or just not? and then also not against the pressure from A Labels but more inside the retail brands. What is kind of a competitive fight going on over there? Is there a relatively pricing discipline in that segment? Is everybody trying to increase prices given the inflationary trends or are some people kind of Yeah, trying to gain some market shares or tenders by postponing that a little bit. You can also offer a bit of granularity on that. That would be helpful. Thank you.

Thank you. And pretty broad questions. So I'll start with North America. No, I don't think we are at a time where we will offer granular plans. I think we aim later this year to be able to share more of our financial ambitions. But I think what I can share is that we are going to probably don't expect the same level of absolute growth in North America that we were initially reflected into our long-term ambition. So that's one fair, but still growing, maybe not at the same rate. And the margin, I think what you should expect is, because we said that the focus would be on profitability, that we would expect a higher pace of margin rebuilt in North America, which we have disclosed several times, that was a highly diluted business, which was a consequence of us being in this aggressive ramp-up mode. On the European dynamic versus the A brands, we haven't really seen a shift in the approach. You know, we're not in the boardroom of P&G and what they do for Pampers, but you probably have read that SCT on one hand was happy with the push they're doing on their brand Libero and that P&G also was relatively happy with the share gains that they had on Pampers. So what we observed was that those A players retook a more aggressive stance to defend their position. we don't see a key change on that and you know this is something that we're just it's part of our strategy and how we we fight so that's you know up to us to bring solution to our customers in this environment to be able to be more positioned which is what is our focus on versus the other manufacturers and the pricing dynamics you you can understand that you know I cannot comment on on pricing and relative pricing I'm not, you know, previewed of what, you know, our competitors do. We are, you know, sitting with objective and factual approaches with our customers where we share, you know, the evolution of our cost. We look jointly what we can do on the mix, on the product, on pricing if we have to do choices. because we understand that's the best way to preserve and build partnership and collaboration with our customers. So it's a case-by-case example. And we don't, you know, I cannot comment on our competitors' approach and strategy.

I understand. Thank you very much for the answer. Thank you.

Thank you, Wim. The next question comes from Floris Dextra from BNP Panibla. Floris, it's you.

Hi, thanks for taking my question. I'll ask them one at a time. So very quickly, in regards to the input cost inflation due to what's happening in the Middle East, is everyone in your industry hit similarly or are there differences between you and your competitors and some of the A brand players because of how you source them?

Thank you, Floris. Our understanding is that everybody in the industry is impacted. Of course it will depend on whether they have hedging strategy in place and the structure of their contract but most of the contracts for all of the players of the industry usually work with price formula which you know are adjusted when the indices or the energy cost evolve and all of them will have a slight lag because of the inventory position that you may hold. So that I would expect would be pretty similar except if there were very different hedging strategy in place. So that's for your first question.

Okay, that's helpful. And then just on the updated guidance, so I think, you know, it says you get close to this three and a half times. Net Leverage Number. From my understanding, that's the leverage covenant on the RCF. Could you just give a bit more information on how that covenant works? I understand you get a one-off spike and then what does it exactly prevent you from doing? Is it some kind of stopping on the draw? Just any clarity would be appreciated. Thank you.

Floris, thanks also for this question indeed we have a one-off spike that means that each half year we have a testing of the covenant that means the next testing is on the on the full year results and that means that if we believe that we will be below the 3.5 actually if it would be at 3.6 for example it would be below that 3.75 it would not be give a covenant breach Now the question you're asking is, imagine we would have a covenant bridge, which we don't expect at all, because otherwise we would have come with a different communication. Then you typically sit together with the banks and you present your plans and you discuss on a new covenant path. So that's how it works. But that's not the case at this moment. Does it answer your question?

Okay, thank you. That's very helpful.

Okay, thank you, Floris. The next question comes from Fernand de Boer from the Grof Wederkamp. Fernand, up to you.

Yes, good morning. It's Fernand de Boer from the Grof Wederkamp. I have a question on the impairment charges and, let's say, on your strategy. So why do you have to take these impairment charges Thank you very much. I don't understand. And also if you are going to use third party players, you also have to pay them. So you have your own production, you do your cottage lines then, and then you are going to outsource it. I am totally lost in this.

Obviously, the one impairment I will take because it's indeed also a bit of technical matter from an accounting point of view. You have to make a bit of distinction, but in the 144 million, you have the goodwill. And as you can read in the half-year report, but also the full-year report, you have to do a kind of impairment test. It looks to your future plan. And first of all, very important to know that goodwill in North America It exists already for many years. It's based on past transactions that were done. It's the total structure that was built up at the time. So there's no clear specific origin related to recent M&A, for example. What are you doing and you look at your plan and of course because we go from a volume strategy and you know that what was the intention to grow in sales to a more selective profitability strategy that comes of course the coming years with the cash flow which is more less modest than we expected before and based on that test that we decided to take out the goodwill. So it's related to the ambition and the change in the strategy. On the assets, for me there are two parts. Some of it are very concrete like in Europe. For us Europe includes Australia. You have seen that we stopped the operation locally in Sydney. It will become an export business. you have perhaps seen in the H1 report also that we have an intention to restructure some activities in Mayen that brings some asset impairments because some assets will not be used anymore for the rest of the business and it's partially in North America and partially in Europe and with the main focus on baby and femme because there as Laurent explained we focus on protecting the business, defending the business and there we say okay we looked at our asset base and we said okay if we take our assets we want to simplify we will also to focus on the core assets that are most efficient the newest ones and then we said okay then it's better to take the old ones out because we want to go for full efficiency within our transformation and that brought another bunch of impairments so that's the buckets we're looking at

But sorry, I thought Mayen, Germany, was already closed down a few years ago, way off, took a lot of restructuring charges. So I'm not...

It's a reorganization of... Fernand, it's a reorganization of some... Fernand, maybe the intention in Mayen relates to some innovation R&D activities and engineering activities that we are reorganizing. so that that's why yes it's not linked to a manufacturing production site per se but we also had pilot lines as you as you know in Mayen or you may know in Mayen and then to come back on North America these lines are quite new so what are you going to do? Thank you for the question again on North America. The North America business is a mix, you know, we have two sides and it's a mix of new assets that of course are fully operational and fully used and some older assets that we had that some of them we were keeping as part of having eventually capacity available part of our previous high growth, high volume growth plan. As the market evolves as well, some of the product requirement to win in the market has changed and we've concluded that some of those assets will no longer be in use because either too costly to modify or frankly because we could not be competitive to find the right contract to serve them volume. So when you reach that conclusion, it is the right approach to adjust your asset base.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, Fernand.

The next question comes from Oussama Tariq from AODO-BHF. Oussama, up to you.

Hi, thank you for the opportunity. Good afternoon. I have just one or two general questions with regards to the review. Could you provide just a bit of more color on, for example, feminine care going forward, and specifically on that Where do you see that going in one or two years? My second question would be more of a clarification with regards to contract manufacturing. I'm sorry if I missed something. Did you indicate something on it with regards to the review? Is it going to stop completely? Those will be my two questions at the moment. Thank you.

Thank you, Sama. On the first question, our feminine care business is almost 95% plus a European business. That is a relatively stable business, and we intend to keep it that way. So no change there. When we say that we go with a more targeted approach, it's how we serve that business, but not the absolute sales of that business, which we believe play a very important role and for which we have a key role for many of our customers. On the contract manufacturing, no, we didn't indicate any changes on our stance on contract manufacturing. What we mentioned is that in some very selective situation, we might go with an outside partner to source some product if we believe that it's a better use of resources than putting our own capital.

All right. Thank you. Thank you. That will be all.

Thank you. Thanks. That concludes the Q&A session. Laurent, do you want to finish off with a couple of words?

Yes. Thank you. Thank you, everybody, for joining, especially on the eve of a summer break and on a very heavy week for many of you. Today, we have communicated three important messages. First, our progress on stabilizing the business, which includes the liquidity and the leverage. which is a very solid achievement. However, we also communicated a revision of our outlook given continued uncertainty and deeper impact from the Middle East crisis. And third, we shared the key outcome of our strategic review with the fundamental transformation at shaping a new Antex. We have a very clear direction, a team in full execution mode, and while the market is challenging, all our Associates are working very hard to pave the way to a more resilient cash generating and value oriented ONTEX. Thank you for attending this call. Have a great rest of the day and summer vacation for those who will benefit from it. Thank you.

Thank you.