Repsol Sa Sp/Adr

Hello and welcome to the first quarter 2026 results conference call. Today's conference will be conducted by Mr. Josillon Imath, CEO, and a brief introduction will be given by Mr. Pablo Banatine, Head of Investor Relations. I would now like to hand the call over to Mr. Banatine. Sir, you may begin.

Thank you, operator. And good morning to everyone joining us today. Welcome to REPSO's first quarter 2026 results presentation. Today's conference call will be hosted by Joshua Yonimath, our chief executive officer, with other members of the executive team joining us as well. At the end of the presentation, we will be available for a Q&A session. Before we begin, let me remind you that during this presentation, we may make forward-looking statements based on estimates. Actual results may differ materially depending on a number of factors as indicated on our disclaimer. With that, I will hand the conference call over to Giorgio.

Thank you, Pablo. Good morning and welcome to everyone. Last quarter, Mark has sold the start to the first year of our update 2026-2028 strategic roadmap. that we presented six weeks ago in March here in Madrid, and most of you were present here. This strategic roadmap is built on three clear pillars. Increase cash flow generation, higher shareholder returns, and discipline capital allocation, always preserving the strength of our balance sheet. Since then, since our capital markets day, the escalation of the conflict in the Middle East has had global implications for our industry, increasing volatility across commodities and reinforcing uncertainty around the near-term economic outlook. Our market environment has since become more complex, shifting from concerns about oversupply risk to a very different context of actual physical distractions. The closure of key energy routes factor to a significant tightening of oil, gas, and products markets, increasing price fluctuations and reshaping global trade flows. In this situation, Repsol has remained focused on the safe and efficient operation of its assets, ensuring continuity of energy supply while taking timely and disciplined actions to help mitigate the impact of fuel price volatility to our customers. As of today, across our assets remain stable and reliable. All the operations, I mean. With no material exposure to the Middle East, we are well positioned to navigate the current environment and benefits from commodity market dynamics. All that support by a diversified and resilient portfolio. Looking at the main developments of the first quarter, in the after we complete the agreement to incorporate total energy to our UK JV, creating the largest independent oil and gas producer in the UK continental shelf. In addition, we continue moving forward with our project pipeline, starting production of LACA Southwest, and reaching the latest stages of development in PICA, Alaska. In Venezuela, the recent updates in the country could provide a material upside within the portfolio, In the industrial side, the performance benefited from the strong refining environment in March and increased contribution from trading businesses. Results were partially held back by no transcendent results and time-lapse effects on product pricing, which are expected to flow through the P&L in coming months, in the next quarter. In customer, activity remained resilient, supported by higher mobility sales and the continued growth of our customer base. In terms of results, first quarter adjusted net income reached 873 million euros, a 57% increase over the same period in 2025, mostly due to a stronger contribution from industrial. Cash flow from operations stood at one billion euros, two percent higher than in the first quarter last year. Cash generation was impacted by are 1.4 billion euros working capital build-up, mainly related to inventories, linked to higher prices and volumes as we ensure full security of supply to our refining system in this complex and volatile environment. Experiencing working capital movements operating cash flow generation amounted to 2.4 billion euros, more than covering investments, interest, and shareholder remuneration in the quarter. Net debt closed at 4.8 billion euros, a 0.3 billion increase over December, giving rate years to that 14.3% and 6.5% if we exclude leases. Shareholder remuneration was aligned with our distribution objectives. The first cash dividend of 2026 was paid in January, amounting to 0.5 euros per share. The second dividend will be paid in July to reach a total dividend of 1.051 euros per share in the full year. And thus, this figure is, rather speaking, an 8% increase compared to 2025. Dividends will be complemented with shares by BACs to reach our committed 30% to 40% cash flow for an operational distribution objective. And aligned with this, the first buyback program of 2026 was launched in March for up to 350 million euros, with additional buybacks to be implemented in the second half of the year. Looking briefly at the evolution of the main macroeconomic indicators in the period. Brent oil averaged $81 per barrel, 7% higher year-on-year. moving within a range between $61 and $127 through the quarter, so a strong volatility in the period. The average average $5.1 per million BQ, 30% higher than in the same period in 2025, driven by severe weather at the beginning of the year and the ongoing ramp-up of new LNG export facilities in the U.S. Repsol's refining margin indicator was 106% higher compared to the same period in 2025, mostly driven by higher middle distillate spreads since March, particularly diesel and jet fuel. At the exchange rate, the dollar averaged 1.17 in the quarter and 11% depreciation compared to the first quarter last year in 2025. Turning now to upstream performance. adjusted net income was 302 million euros, 5% lower year over year, driven by a weaker dollar, as I mentioned before, and the divestments executed in 2025. This was partially compensated by higher gas realization prices, and a stronger contribution from equity affiliates. Production averaged 539,000 barrels equivalent per day, in line with the first quarter in 2025, The higher contribution in the U.K., the Gulf of America and San Tobago, was partially offset by disposals, a force majeure situation in Peru, and the lower unconventional production due to the extreme weather conditions we had in the U.S., mainly in January and February. Excluding these disposals I mentioned before, production was 4% higher year over year. In the UK, on the 13th of March, we complete the agreement to incorporate total energy assets into our North Sea JV. The resulting entity that is named NeoNext Plus is projected to produce around 250,000 barrels per day in 2026, of which around 60,000 are net to Russell. In Libya, first quarter production reached 42,000 net barrels 11% evolved the same period in 2025, demonstrating the resilience of our operations despite a localized disruption in March. Furthermore, we strengthened our position after being awarded with two new exploration blocks in the first licensing round held in the country in nearly two decades. In our development pipeline, the volume growth forecast to 2028 will be supported by the risk of projects that are already producing or close to first oil. In Brazil, in the Santos Basin, the development of Lapa Southwest reached first oil in March. The project features three wells tied back to the existing FPSO, contributing to increase the total production in the Lapa field to 60,000 gross barrels of oil per day, where Repsol holds a 15% interest. Furthermore, the development of Raya, Raya, remember, that is the former Campus 33 in the campus basin, enter its six-world drilling phase, representing an important milestone towards the planned startup in 2028. In Alaska, the first phase of PK is mechanically complete and undergoing final commissioning. First oil is expected in May. in an immediate period, coming days, coming weeks, and key facilities have been integrated with the objective of reaching a plateau production capacity of 80,000 gross barrels per day by the end of July, early third quarter. In the Quokka unit, that is located in the Nanusuk area to the east of Pika, the successful completion of the first appraisal well, earlier this month, in April, has further delineated the potential of all these nanoshock reservoirs. In addition, our commitment to Alaska was reinforced after securing 42 new exploration licenses in the latest federal round, supporting future development plans in the area. Finally, in Venezuela, last quarter, we reached a strategic agreement to ensure the continuity of natural gas production in Carbon Fault, Moreover, after quarter end, we signed an agreement to resume operational control of the Petro-QDT oil asset, and this includes plans to increase gross crude oil production in the country by 50% within 12 months, and to triple it over the next three years, all under a disciplined free cash flow positive framework for capital allocation. Our priorities in the country are clear. monetizing current production, and increasing of volumes. Within this framework, next week, our Cartagena refinery will receive the first cargo linked or associated to the gas production of Cardon since the issuance of the new U.S. export licenses that, remember, we received, we were allowed to produce licenses at the end of February. Additional cargoes are expected going forward. Continuing with industrial, first quarter adjusted net income was 440 million euros, 233% higher than in the same period a year ago. The improvement was driven by higher contributions in refining, Peru, and the trading businesses, partially offset by weaker chemicals and non-transcendent sales. In refining, the better results due to higher refining margins were partially offset by non-transcendent sales adjustments, as I mentioned before, and a negative price lag effect, mainly in kerosene sales. I mean, these adjustments are expected to be fully reverted in coming quarter. The refining margin indicator averaged $10.9 per barrel. roughly in line with the fourth quarter of 2025, and $5.6 higher than the first quarter last year. The indicator averaged $6 per barrel through January and February, rising in March to an average of $20 driven by stronger middle distillates as a result of the conflict in Iran. since the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, diesel and jet fuel spreads have suffered extreme volatility resulting from the interruption of products flows and tight global inventories. HBO and SAF margins have also experienced a material increase due to the escalation of the mineral alternatives and also because the increase of of the regulatory demand of these kind of products. The premium generated over the indicator averaged $5.7 per bar in the quarter, mainly due to a better crude and products balance optimization on the contribution of buyers. Let me say that in this disrupted and complex situation, I mean, the margin indicator in some ways losing the capacity to define what is happening in margin terms in a refining system. So we are going to see this kind of, let me say, exceptional premiums because with the high flexibility of the assets we have, all that is enabling us to efficiently adapt the crude diet and our products yield to this kind of exceptional situations and disruptions that are happening in the market. That is the explanation, let me say, for this exceptional situation. Utilization of distillation capacity reached 79% in the quarter, while conversion units operated at 86%. Throughputs were negatively impacted by the reduced availability of the topping units in Cartagena. Remember, the the fire we had in January, together with cold supply constraints in January and February due to the severe weather and the storms that were preventing vessels from docking at some of our fires, mainly Tarragona, Petronor, and Coruña. The trading businesses delivered a very strong performance in the first quarter, The operating income was 343 million euros higher year over year, reflecting a solid contribution from both crude and gas trading activities. In chemicals, Rapsol's margin indicator averaged 174 euros per ton in the first quarter, negatively impacted by the sharp increase of raw material costs in March, which was not yet reflected in selling prices. The situation in the Middle East has tightened the global petrochemical market due to supply constraints from the consequent production of production in Asia and Europe. Margins are going through a period of exceptional volatility, especially affecting NAFTA-dependent producers with limited feedstock flexibility. Regarding the transformation projects within our industrial portfolio, the new HBO unit in Portugal, is this week starting the production, becoming our second facility in Spain for the production of 100% renewable fuels. In renewable hydrogen, we approved the construction of our second large-scale electrolyzer to be built in Bilbao at our Petronas refinery and expected to start up in 2029. Remember that the project has received 160 million euros in funding from the European Union. Going on now with the customer division, first quarter adjusted net income was 160 million euros, a 3% increase over the same period in 2025, and this result was mostly driven by a higher contribution from mobility. Cash flow from operations amounted to 429 million euros in the quarter. Sales of road transportation fuels in Spain were 11% higher compared to the same period last year, non-oil contribution margin in service stations was 11% higher year over year. So non-oil is increasing step by step its contribution margin to our service station business. In a complex environment of higher fuel prices and significant daily volatility, Repsol strength its customer value proposition by doubling discounts that are applied through the wallet app, as well as increasing discounts to professionals and self-employed workers. These initiatives have a direct and positive effect on wallet registrations and fuel sales. In power and gas retail, we had 129,000 customers in the first three months of 2026, reaching 3.2 million clients. That is equivalent to a 20% increase year over year And as a result of a larger customer base, the power commercialized by Repsol was 26% higher compared to the first quarter in 2025. The number of digital clients reached 11.2 million at the end of the quarter, a 17% increase over the same period of 2025 with Wallet as the main contributor. Finally, around 1,500 service stations offer 100% renewable fuels as of the end of March, with 62% of our Spanish network already providing multi-energy solutions. Turning now to low-carbon generation, the adjusted net income was 4 million euros negative, a 6 million decrease compared to the first quarter in 2025, And results were negatively impacted by lower electricity prices in Spain that more than compensated the higher power production. The average food price in Spain was 43 euros per megawatt hour, roughly 50% below the same period last year, due to an exceptionally rainy quarter. The power generated by result increased by 57% year over year, due to a higher contribution from combined cycles and renewables. Wind and solar production reached 2.3 gigawatts hour, 80% higher compared to 2025. Renewable generation capacity under operation reached six gigawatts by the end of the quarter, thanks to a startup of new capacity in Spain and the addition of the last part, 133 megawatts of Pinnington solar farm in the U.S. that is now reaching its maximum capacity of 825 megawatts. Finally, we continue to execute our asset rotation strategy. In the U.S., the divestment of high-staking outposts agreed in December was cashed in the first quarter, and the rotation of Pennington is expected to be launched over the course of 2026. And in Spain, we are progressing with the second phase of the rotation that was launched in 2025. Moving now briefly to a summary of the financial results in this slide, you may find an overview of the figures that we covered today. And for further details, I encourage you to refer to the complete set of documents released this morning. Regarding the outlook for the rest of the year, let me say that it is the most important complex part of my space, because first, I mean, what is known, April production has been impacted by the turn-around of Peru LNG liquefaction plant, and now almost complete, which is factor in our budget. Full-year production guidance remains in the range between 560,000 and 570,000 barrels per day, and that is driven by the increased production in conventional, that is already happening, and the startup of Alaska. In refining, diesel and jet prices are expected to remain strong in the second and third quarters, even in the case of the reopening of the strait tomorrow. Moreover, the drawdown of strategic reserves implies that inventories will need to be refined boosting European diesel demand into the second half of the year. The refining margin indicator has averaged $11 in April, and the current scenario of refinery maintenance plan for 2026 has been adjusted to prioritize production and feedstock flexibility. The premium over the indicator has averaged above $10 this month, Underpinned by the higher share of middle distilleries in our mix and increased sales to our domestic market in Iberia, strong disruptions in spreads and discounts of our crude slate and products are allowing optimization of our planning and programming, increasing our refining premium to high figures. And with respect to the cash flow from operations outlook, and I was referring to this outlook when I said that this is the most complex part of my speech, I mean, in light of the extreme level of uncertainty and volatility we are not providing a revised guidance at this point. And let me remind you that based on the update sensitivities under the new reporting model, Every $10 increase in the Brent price would translate into roughly 250 million euros of incremental annual operating cash flow, on average for the period of 2026-2028. Roughly speaking, it's a bit higher, 285. I mean, this year, because the gas component in the production is a bit higher, then the approach saying that could be, roughly speaking, 250 million euros, Similarly, for every $1 per barrel increase in the refining margin indicator, the cash flow for an operation would increase by around 200 million euros. You may apply those sensitivities to estimate the expected cash flow for an operation under the commodity scenario you deem appropriate. I mean, I don't have the crystal ball that is needed to give you a guidance about the evolution of the commodities over this in this disruptive scenario. And that being said, we can confirm that between 30% to 40% of the additional cash generated will be allocated to shareholder remuneration in any case, as I said in the speech of the Capital Markets Day last month, in line with our capital allocation policy. To conclude, these first quarter marks are a solid start to the first year of our update strategic roadmap. Our recent capital markets, they establish a robust framework to deliver cash flow growth with great visibility, increase shareholder remuneration, and maintain a rigorous capital discipline. Even though the current market environment is clearly more uncertain than what we had at the beginning of the year, as the closure of the Strait of Hormuz has altered international trade flows, The economic impact of the conflict will depend on its duration, the damage to energy infrastructure that we don't know in the whole dimension, and indirect effects through industrial value chains and financial conditions. In this scenario, we have solved benefits by unlimited exposure to the Middle East and our Tier 1 refining system in Europe, heavily weighted towards middle distillates, outputs, and production, with flexibility to adapt our crude oil diet. In addition, our advantage location in the Iberian Peninsula provides access to feed stocks and markets in the Atlantic Basin. The startup of PICA will provide near-term growth to our upstream volumes while adding a world-class asset to our portfolio with a long-term production plateau. The improved situation in Venezuela, no factor in our projections, is another material upside for a strategic plan. At this moment, we are prevalent in our financial outlook, as I mentioned before, subject to the evolution of macroeconomic scenario in coming months, always maintaining our commitment to distribute 30% to 40% of the cash from operations to our shareholders. With this, I will turn it over to Pablo as we move on the Q&A, and thank you very much for your attention.

Thank you very much, Sergio. Before opening the Q&A, I will kindly ask participants to limit yourselves to a maximum of two questions. If time permits, we will try to cover more in a second round. I would like the operator to remind us of the process to ask a question. Please, operator, go ahead.

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Let's get it started. Our first question comes from Viraj Volkataria at RBC. Please, Viraj, go ahead with your question.

Hi. Thanks for taking my question and thanks for the presentation. Just the first one on refining. There's obviously a lot of volatility in that and you're very well set up to benefit. Could you just unpack, you know, the premium as you see it? Can you talk about the biofuels contribution in the quarter Anything else to note? And just on the maintenance point you made, should we assume that refining is running at full capacity through 2Q and 3Q through the summer? And the second question is just on the PICA ramp-up, which you mentioned, I've noticed that those barrels, the Alaskan North Slope barrels, have been in particular bid and trade at very strong premiums relative to other benchmarks. So could you just highlight when you expect to get that project to plateau? Thank you.

Thank you, Viraj.

So, first, our refining system is running at full capacity. The distillation percentage average in April is 85, 86 percent. That is the average of last year's. You know that we tried to refine, or to distillate, better said, the last barrel, giving us a positive margin. looking for the full coverage of the conversion. And we moved as far as we could the turnaround, the maintenance period. For instance, we had a turnaround period in May in Cartagena to change the catalyst of the hydrocracker. And we moved this maintenance to October, November. So that was done. On top of that, we also had in Tarragona a turnaround that was replaced also to first quarter of 2027. So we are going to operate because now, I mean, it's not only a financial approach. I think that now we have the responsibility as a responsible operator to guarantee that we could provide the products that our hinterland and our customers, they need. So you know that, for instance, kerosene production is very important for the Spanish economy because mainly in summer it's very dependent on the aviation and the tourism season. We have been able over the last weeks, over the last two months, to invest and to change logistics in our refineries to increase our historical kerosene production. We have increased in a 25%, and in May, better said, we are going to be prepared to increase in a 25% of level, the level of kerosene we have three months ago in February, we are going to be able to produce 95,000 bottles a day of kerosene in a refining system from May on. That means that we are going to not only to be able to provide our customers, but even more, we are going to be able to offer an additional production to any problem or disruption that could come in the Spanish market from some other operators. I mean, we are going to be able to provide a 25%, probably speaking, of the demand we had last year from our kerosene customers. I'm not saying that the game is over because, I mean, we could have tensions in the market. And we could have tensions because, first, the countries sending tourists to Spain, they could have problems to fuel their trains in their countries, in their countries of origin. Perhaps some of our competitors, I mean, I don't know the situation, so I can't speak, of course, on behalf of them, but saying that we are developing all the effort to let me say, squeeze the production capacity we have in this second quarter with our refining system. So you could assume that the refining system is going to work at this full, not only capacity, I mean, adapting their products to the main needs in the market. I mean, again, as I said before, Now the margin is not exactly the best indicator, the best KPI to follow what is happening. But, I mean, even if tomorrow, and that would be great to see that the Strait of Hormuz is getting fully operational, I mean, I think that this year, As average, we are going to see, even in a full normalization of the situation in a quick way, a refining indicator that is going to be probably above $9 a barrel for the whole year. And a premium that, seeing the figures that we are experiencing now, and even seeing a normalization in two months, probably the premium is going to be above $5 for the whole year. So, and we are, of course, prepared to take and to capture these markings. I mean, going to PICA, I rely on the operator, Santos. I can't add more to the information that was provided last week by Santos. We fully agree with the, because, I mean, our technical people is engaged in the in the technical team of the operations. I mean, all the mechanical part of Alaska, the mechanical is fully completed. Commissioning activities are almost finished. They are progressing well. First, sales revenues are respected, rather speaking, in two months. And the plateau capacity of 80,000 barrels a day grows, of course, is expected in July. So that is, roughly speaking, the approach I could give you about PICA, and let me say that the first oil is imminent. Thank you, Viraj.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much, Viraj. Our next question comes from Sasi Khan, Silicuro, at Jeffries. Please, Sasi, go ahead with your question.

Hi. I also had a question on the $10 premium to the indicator refining margin. I specifically wanted to check on one key factor that you had highlighted. You talked about spreads on the discount and discounts to the crude slate. It seems a little different from what we are hearing from your peers. I just wanted to understand what your crude slate was, how you're getting these discounts, I suppose, and also if the Venezuelan barrels and the cargos are going to make any material impact or they're already impacted in this. Yeah, thanks.

Thank you, Sashi. I mean, I know that it's perhaps I'm sorry because, I mean, the complexity of what I'm going to explain and that is my problem, it's not yours, it's not easy at all. But again, I mean, when we take the Refining margin indicator, what we are taking is the structure of a slate and the structure of yield of products and the conditions we have and we see in the market, and we budget that for the whole year. What is happening now, for instance? I mean, you know that our exposure to the Middle East is tiny, but we have a 6% of Abasra oil. I mean, when you introduce, you know, refining margin, the Abasra, I mean, because it's very... complex crude oil to be bought today in the market. I mean, the premium over this crude oil is extremely high. So, we are not, of course, using Basra in our system. We substitute the Basra by heavy oils with strong discounts coming from Latin America. So, all that is improving in a dramatic way. I mean, we are taking in a very volatile situation. We have extreme opportunities to optimize the refining margin indicators that are not there every day. Because you have, let me say, very heavy oil, you have residues with, because the rent price is very high, you have heavy oils that are competing probably with fuels and some other products that today could be in relative terms extremely cheap. And because the high conversion capacity we have in a refining system, we are taking advantage of this crude oil. So we are, let me say, beating in a clear way the refining market indicator. Going to the yield of products. Again, I mean, remember, we were producing, roughly speaking, I mean, don't take the exact figures, but we could be producing 350,000 cubic meters of kerosene per month at the beginning of this year. And that was budgeted in our refinery margin indicator. What is happening now? Thanks to the investment we developed over the last two months, either operational, either logistics in some of our refineries, in May, June, we are going, from May on, we are going to be able to produce 560,000 cubic meters of jets per month. What is happening with these figures? that because the spread of the jet is significantly higher than the spread of the alternative products we were producing, the refining margin indicator, we are going to improve in a dramatic way the refining margin indicator through the premium. I mean, you are seeing this premium. I mean, $1 per barrel of this premium is coming from this change or this increase. in the jet production. So you could say, okay, please change the margin indicator because all that is going to be more simple. That could be an option, but I'm even discussing with my own team because we don't know in this volatile situation what will happen in May or in June. So perhaps we have to change twice the refining margin indicator over the quarter. So at the moment, please, what is real? is that the refining margin indicator plus the premium is reflecting the real margin we are capturing. The refining margin indicator is, let me say, the theoretical construction that works in a normal situation, in a normal way, and the premium is what we are capturing above this, let me say, refining margin indicator. I know that it's complex, but again, I don't have Another way to explain that. Saying that, when I said before to Vigas that even in the case of opening tomorrow or most, we are seeing a minimum of nine plus five. That means that we are seeing a total refining margin over the year. Even if situation is normalized tomorrow, probably about $14 a barrel for the average of the whole year. Thank you, Satya. I'm going to Venezuela. I mean, again, the Venezuela cargoes, structurally, they don't improve the refining margin. Because I have to assume that we are buying the Venezuela cargoes at the same, let me say, fair discount, fair value, that the Colombian Castilla or the Mexican Maya or the Canadian heavy oil, That is theoretical, of course, but if there is more heavy oil in the Atlantic Basin, I mean, from Venezuela, from Canada, from Colombia, from Brazil, from Mexico, and so on, the equation supply-demand of heavy oil is not so tight, so the discounts are higher. So, let me say that not because one or two carbons are coming to a refining system, but because there are more heavy oils, thanks to the Venezuela recovery, and I think that it's important to see that Venezuela in social, in economic, in production terms, is starting to recover after January, where a new opportunity for Venezuela started. So I have to assume that in some way having a good access to heavy oils is good for our refining system.

Thank you, Sachin.

Thank you very much, Asir. Our next question comes from Alastair Syme at Citi. Alastair, please go ahead with your question.

Yeah, thanks, Pablo. Jesse John, I wanted to ask about biofuels. I think from memory, your biofuels investments are based on a 15% hurdle rate and a 275-euro ton of HVO versus feedstock. I just really wanted to confirm those assumptions and ask, you know, with current margins, I guess, around five times that level, if that's having any impact or discussion in Spain about how REDD3 gets implemented. Thank you.

Thank you, Alastair. First, I didn't say before that in this premium, a part of this premium is also coming from the value component that nowadays you know that is included in this premium. And as I mentioned before, it's significant. I mean, when we prepare the budget of the year, we assume, rather speaking, for this year, that the HBO minus EUCO margin could be at around $850,000, $875,000 per ton. Those figures, roughly speaking, the margin for this year, I mean, we have to take into account that Puerto Llanos is starting the production this week, so, I mean, we missed from January to April the Puerto Llanos production. The EBITDA for this biofuel industrial business could be at around 90 million euros, and we have to add a another 25 from the trading area and 25 from the client renewable fuel. So, roughly speaking, we had budgeted 140 million euros for the value of business as a whole. I mean, taking, let me say, the comprehensive view of the business for this year. We have to take into account that today we could have 570 million euros, rather speaking of capital employed in this business. That is important. You know that when we talk about 570, we are taking the C43 and in Cartagena, Puerto Llano, plus what is now in the investment pipeline in the eco-planter, and that is, of course, still producing. If we take the average as of today, So it could be $1,450 per ton of HVO minus EUCO. At those prices, roughly speaking, the industrial EBITDA, I mean, if we maintain this average over the whole year, could be at around 220 million euros, roughly speaking. And if we include trading plus the commercial side, we will be talking about 270 million euros of EBITDA. That is, frankly speaking, almost close to a half of the capital employed in this business. So that is the best picture I could provide you today, Alastair. Thank you.

Justin John, I mean, obviously the return on investment, that's... the return on investment of that's huge. You know, does that provoke any discussion in Spain about REDD3?

Discussion about what? REDD3. Yeah. Well, just implement it. I mean, yeah. So, first, Alistair, you are right. I mean, let me say that there is a roadmap. to increase this demand that is mainly linked to mandates in the framework of the Red Street. I mean, if we take, I don't have all the figures in mind, Alastair, but if we take the potential demand in Europe this year could be 30-35% higher than the demand we had last year due to the application of European electives. On top of that, we could expect some additional impacts coming from the change of the concept of the double counting in Germany, that they are also to increase the real demand and so on. So, on the other hand, you are going to have also a new capacity entering in the system that in some way is going to balance all that. We have to take into consideration, Alistair, that the price of the HVO is in some way depending on two factors. The first, we can't forget that the HVO is also competing with the mineral diesel, so there is a component coming from the mineral diesel that is also in some way contributing to forming the price. of the HBO, and you have a premium delta that comes from, let me say, from the nature of the biomarker. So, in this sense, about RET3, I think that increasing the mandates of RET3 could, in some way, increase this delta. From the RET4 point of view, let me remind you that with the new plant of Puerto Llano, we are only providing a 70% of our own sales with our customers of biofuel. So we could have even in a prudent way some kind of room to increase a bit our production, taking, let me say, a limited risk. Thank you, Alistair.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, Alistair. Our next question comes from Michele de la Viña at Goldman Sachs. Please, Michele, go ahead with your question.

Thank you, and congratulations on the strong results in such a volatile environment. I wanted to ask two questions just to John. First of all, I was wondering if the current better macro environment makes a potential liquidity event over your EMP business more or less likely. On one side, you will probably get a better valuation. On the other one, the company is able to generate a higher free cash flow in the near term. So I was just wondering how you're thinking about that. And then second, perhaps a bit of a difficult and unfair question, but I was wondering, do you have in mind a number of months whether if the trade remains closed, you would end up finding it difficult to have enough feedstock to feed into your refiners. Kelly, this is not just about your refiners. It's more about the global balances. But do you have in mind a kind of duration that would really start to put the feedstock to the refining system at risk of shortages? Thank you just to jump.

Grazie mille, Michele. Going to your first question, I'm going to be crystal clear about that. Now, I'm not in a hurry to jump into a liquidity event in this context. We have, and let me say that the two partners of the business, Rapsol and EIG, we are fully aligned on this perception. In technical terms, we are fully prepared. All the, I mean, reporting, adaptation to SOX, I mean, all this, let me say, this burden we have to work in to prepare the company, to be prepared to go to the American market. All that goes down. That's going to the fundamentals. I mean, I think that we are very comfortable in this 2026 year not jumping into this liquidity. I try to elaborate. We are convinced that the upstream, the quality of the upstream you have, and not because the commodity prices and so on, is better than what we had three months ago or six months ago. I mean, with Venezuela, the risk, with any significant increase showing to the market that we are increasing the production or production in Venezuela with all the support of Venezuelan government and all the support also of the American authorities. With Venezuela, seeing that the payments of the gas we produce in Venezuela to help to stabilize the country, they are got in a regular and good way. With Alaska, producing in a good way. With Quokka, the results we are seeing in the wealth in Quokka, in Alaska, giving us new expectations about Alaska. Preparing the FID of Pikachu for the beginning of 2027. I mean, when we take all that, the perception we have is that, I mean, decoupling, the commodity scenario, we are going to have a better upstream in three months, in six months, and probably in one year on from now. So, if we take this analysis, I'm not saying that it's He's right in saying that it's our analysis and it's our expectation. So we are comfortable in the current situation. And let me say that we are not going to jump to a liquidity event in the short term, Michele. Going, I mean, the vector valuation, you know the M&A world probably as far as I know. or better, probably. And you know that, I mean, these temporary circumstances are not changing in a dramatic way, the valuation of our business. Because an investor is seeing the long-term view of the business. So, we are improving the fundamentals. So, I think that this view is, in our mind, more important than taking, let me say, the opportunistic advantage of seeing the oil price high to jump into the market. So, That's our view. Going to your second question, I mean, probably, and I have had the opportunity to talk to most of you, most of you, I say the analysts you are today following this conference, in a personal way over the last eight years. which even when we were, most of you were here in Madrid when we were having coffee after the capital market day and so on. And you know that my view has been, let me say, I have had from the very beginning a concern about what is happening in the market related to the situation in the Middle East. I mean, I'm going to say that quote of never say never. I think that what we have seen in the market is so disruptive is unprecedented that we could see let me say disruptions that probably we haven't experienced in any time in our lives saying that we are more protected I'm not going to say never that we are more protected than others and the reason is first because in logistic terms we are fully dependent on the Atlantic Basin, North America, Latin America, West Africa, and a bit of Northern Africa, Algeria and Libya, and a bit of North Sea. So we are, let me say, in the most robust and safest part of the supply chain. I could imagine a war with a crude oil disruption, yes, because, I mean, we are missing probably today, 11, I mean, following your company own estimations, 11, 11.5 million barrels a day, adding crude oil plus products. And, I mean, we can't sustain the worldly situation. So we have to, if this situation goes on, the only solution is the destruction of demand. And probably, we are going to see, in this case, you are I mean, or moves that could remain closed for more time, probably the demand is going to show some kind of elasticity to price. So in that case, perhaps countries or areas, and I think mainly in Asian countries, they could have more difficulties to get the supply, not only because of the logistics, also because of the price. Because, I mean, today we are seeing countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Philippines, and some others that they have real difficulties to provide or to have the oil. So, I think that we are not going to suffer this oil restriction. And because we have a strong refining system, and I'm not only talking about, of course, Rapsol, but in Spain, I have to, I only have positive words to my competitors, like Moed ABP and the other companies with assets in Spain, or GALP in Portugal. I think that in the Iberian Peninsula, we have a real privileged situation to resist the situation of guaranteeing the supply in a better way than some other countries in Europe. Saying that, I mean, I can't say never because it's going to depend on the evolution of the situation.

Thank you, Professor Jones.

Thank you. Thank you, Michele.

Thank you very much, Michele. Our next question comes from Alejandro Vigil at Santander. Please, Alejandro, go ahead with your question.

Yes, hello, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. The first question is in continuation with these comments about this second energy crisis in five years. In the previous one, there were several European countries taking intervention, market intervention, price caps. If you are seeing a similar potential risk of market intervention in this context, that would be the first one. And the second one is about the blackout in Spain last year. How is the situation in terms of potential compensation or which is the amount you are claiming insurance? What can you tell us about that? Thank you.

Thank you, Alejandro. Thank you so much. I mean, you mentioned the previous crisis of 2022. First, I mean, Let me say that the nature of both crises is fully different, mainly for our market, for Repsol, because in the Ukrainian crisis, the Ukrainian invasion crisis, as I said, we didn't lack in Europe a single drop of oil products over this crisis, because all the Russian products were diverted towards China itself. Asia, India, I mean, some other geographies. And now what we have is a real problem of supply, a product frustration. Remember that at that time, you probably know because you are a Spaniard, in November 2024, there were proposals at the Spanish Congress to introduce similar mechanisms for the energy sector from 2025 onwards. And these proposals, they did not succeed because they lacked the parliamentary support in Spain. In the European level, remember that at that time there was some kind of approval of some kind of reform tax that was called contribution. And we have not seen at the moment a real aim to approve such a measure in the European level. But Let me elaborate perhaps a bit more. We are now in Spain, as I said to Michele some weeks ago, we have reinforced supply system thanks to companies like Repsol, Moeve, BP, GALP, that's GALP in Portugal, that invested hard in the refinery system. So in the case of Repsol, we have invested 15 billion euros in our industrial business in Spain since the financial crisis of 2008. And on top of that, I have to mention that we have invested more than 1.4 billion euros in the last weeks to guarantee the supply of kerosene, to guarantee the Spanish tourism season. I mean, if you suffer the losses from time to time, and every time you have profits, you suffer from confiscation, I mean, you are not going to invest anymore, of course. You are not going to invest in working capital anymore. to guarantee the supply if you don't have the incentive of profits, the legitimate incentive of making money. So, it seems to me that introducing an extraordinary levy on the energy sector would be not only unjustified and counterproductive. I think that it will undermine the security of supply and erode the competitiveness of European industry at this critical moment. I mean, it will take also into account that over the last 15 years, at 20% of European refining capacity has been shut down, or either, I mean, will accelerate this trend, increasing the dependence on imports, and in some way also reducing the security of supply. So, from my point of view, this kind of debate, they create regulatory uncertainty, they divert resources away from investment and also they put at risk the projects we need to decarbonize our industry and our economy and of course the risk is worsening the risk of security of supply in coming months in Europe so I tend to think Alejandro that this kind of confiscatory levies are not going to appear this time neither in Europe nor in Spain Going to your second question about the blackout, as you know, that is a trending topic in the Spanish media these days. I mean, we know exactly what the consequences of the blackout were for Rexall. Remember that we talk about different incidents, a first blackout impacting Carcajena, another disruption, nothing to do with that, in Puerto Llano, related to the distributor. I mean, if we go to the major blackout on April 28th, one year ago, which shut down our operations for days at five refineries and three petrochemical sites. Remember that I explained before that we experienced a similar event in 2016 in Bilbao in the petrol refinery. And in 2022, the Spanish Supreme Court issued a decision confirming full compensation for Repsol's affiliate, Petronor, That was 18 million euros for the 12-minute blackout we suffered at that time that stopped our operations in the refinery for days. And we were fully compensated. I mean, broadly speaking, this 18 million euros is close to the impact on each of our refineries from the blackout we suffered in April. We estimate a recoverable amount of 105 million euros in the legal claim we are entering in. So, we are fully committed, Alejandro, to seeking legal accountability from those responsible for these events. And we initiated this legal process last week. And, I mean, before entering in any lawsuit, the law requires the opposite party to be invited to seek a settlement. And in this sense, I mean, last week, Repsol already was complying with this legal requirement, and we sent formal notices, what is called a boule of access, to RefElectrica and to the distributors with which our industrial centers, they have contracts. And if this prior attempt to dispute resolution is not satisfactory, Repsol will formally file the corresponding lawsuits to all these Japanese. And let me say, I rely on the Spanish justice system. I believe we have a solid, reliable judiciary. In the end, we will be compensated, as we were in the Petronor case. But let me say, and I finish, Alejandro, that probably the core task may be somewhat more complex this time. Because the regulator, the CNMC, didn't fulfill, from my point of view, its duties in an efficient way. Because I have the impression that the regulator, the CNMC, has applied what is called in Spanish, la teoría del ventilador. We could say, describe that in English as an Scattergun approach. And it has mixed, very serious issues that affected the supply, allegedly caused by the system operator, with doses of alleged deficiencies over a two-year period. And all that is creating confusion. Perhaps that is what the regulator intended, I mean, to give the impression that it's distributing blame. I mean, however, a technical reading makes the responsibilities much clearer. So, again, we have a solid judiciary Spanish are a democratic and solid state where the rule of law works, and I'm convinced that the truth will prevail and Rapsol will be, at the end of the road, fully compensated.

Thank you, Alejandro. Thank you very much, Alejandro.

Our next question comes from Guilherme Levy and Morgan Stanley. Guilherme, please go ahead with your question.

Hi, hello, thank you for taking my questions. Maybe on the refining crude procurement debate, could you perhaps even if just qualitatively, share with us how much of your crude supplies currently come from purely spot transactions versus how much they're coming from perhaps the benefits of your long-term relationships with different players in LATAM because I wonder if that's also playing a role here in your ability to source crude maybe better than peers. And then secondly, thinking a bit more about upstream, perhaps speak your brain about short cycle investment opportunities that you could now pull the trigger on in light of the higher oil and gas price environment. Thank you.

Going to refining, 80% of our supply comes from long-term contracts, and 20% is spots. I mean, saying that, we don't see, I mean, that is not our main case. We don't see any kind of concern. to supply our refineries. I answered before, I think that it was to Michele. I mean, we could see disruptions. I'm not going to say never, because things could be worse. But, I mean, in the current situation, I think that price is going to be the concern. Price is going to be a problem. But we are going to be able to supply our refineries, I mean, in our central case, in a normal way. Going to the upstream only, I mean, you mentioned that we have short cycle opportunities to invest due to these prices. I mean, you have three ways that they may say to increase your production in a circular way. First, the money, and today is not the best moment to buy. Secondly, exploration. Exploration, the results are going to come, and we continue exploring. We demonstrate with Alaska a big work. We work granted in 43 new licenses. And the third one is the unconventional. And of course, in the unconventional, we are taking flexibility to improve our position. So if we take the figures of the first quarter and we compare with what we have over the whole year, we are going to increase in 22,000 barrels a day our unconventional production. But you have to take into account that there are two effects here. First, because the cold weather, probably we were producing 10,000 barrels a day less in the first quarter, because the cold we have in Marcellus and Eagle 4, and the increase of new paths that we are going to take advantage of them to increase our production over the year. All in all, 22,000 barrels a day of increase over the whole year. Indian conventional, if we compare with the first quarter. If we take that, we take the Peru incident, we take the ramp-up of Leon Castile, plus Alaska that is going to come, plus Lapa Southwest for that reason, we are quite comfortable with the guidance of 560,000, 570,000 barrels a day for the whole year. Thank you, Guillaume. And today, I mean, this morning, I'm not going to extrapolate today's, to the whole year, but this morning, we are producing 570,000 barrels a day in our system.

Perfect. Gracias. Thank you very much, Guillermo. Our next question comes from Fergus Neff at Rothschild and Red Boom. Please, Fergus, go ahead with your question.

Yeah. Hi there. Thank you very much for taking my question. Two from me, if I might, please. Just first on chemicals, you talked to a title petrochemical market in your slides. Can you just give us any color on how the chemicals business has been performing this month and whether it's been able to kind of start capturing those margins, please? And then secondly, can I just ask what you're seeing in Iberia in terms of fuel demand at your retail sites given the current price environment? Do you expect to start seeing demand disruption if prices remain at current levels, or do you think they need to move higher before you would see any meaningful disruption start coming through? Thanks. Thank you, Fergus.

So, going to your question. First, in the short term, the chemical business is performing in a bad way, and I try to elaborate, and that is behind also the, you can see the impairment we have seen. introduced in a prevalent way in our panel this quarter. Because, I mean, the huge increase of raw materials, NAFTA, LPG, energy, natural gas, plus, I mean, we are not able to translate these prices to our customers. I mean, the plastic producers from the, I don't know, the automotive sector, the food sector, and so on. So, what we are seeing in the short term is a worsening of this margin because this short-term situation that has in some way pushed us to be proud in terms of the value of the chemical business in our company. Saying that, we are fully focused on putting in operation the new project that are going to give us additional margin, the ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene plant in Porto Llano, the derivative chemical business in CNES, plus the electrification of crackers, as I mentioned before, plus the splitter of propylene in Petronor that is starting this second quarter its operation. With all the cost measures, improving the logistics and so on, we are enforcing, I mean, Yesterday we had a board meeting and I maintain my commitment to the board yesterday that in 2026 we aim to have a zero EBITDA, a neutrality of EBITDA in our business, in our chemical business, and we aim to be positive in our operational results in the EBITDA. in 2027, so we are fully focused on that. And when we go to the Iberia fuel demand, what we have seen in the first quarter in March and in April is an increase of a figure that is close to a 10%, 10% in the first quarter and 3, 4% in April, roughly speaking. And that is curious for us because it's counterintuitive, Remember, I don't know what is going to happen, so I don't have a crystal ball, but I only introduce a variable in the debate. Spain receives 100 million visitors a year. We are, after France, the second country receiving visitors in the world, and revenues, the second one, behind the U.S. So, I think that we are going to see a twin trend. this summer in Spain. I don't know what is going to prevail. I think that the global tourism probably is going to suffer because, I mean, aviation prices, lack of security in the world, and so on. But on the other hand, Spain is a tourism destination more secure, safer, than some others, and it seems to me that many northern European citizens, they are going to take the decision instead of going, I don't know where, and you could imagine places, I'm not going to mention any country, to come to Spain. So, we could have a positive effect on the Spanish tourism. I don't know what is going to prevail, but taking into account this reflection, we don't see today a reduction of volumes in our Iberian business. What I'm saying for Spain, I mean, is also applicable for Portugal. That is, I mean, as attractive as Spain in tourism terms. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much, Fergus. Our next question comes from Henry Patrick at UBS. Henry, please go ahead with your question.

Thank you, everyone. Two questions, please. The first one I wanted to ask on Venezuela, good to see the progress with the payments for carbon 4. I was wondering if you have had any more discussions regarding the payments for the past production over the past year in particular. And secondly, coming back to the question around short cycle, potential upside to production, I wanted to check on On Libya, what's your latest outlook on the production potential in the near and medium term?

Thank you. Thank you, Henry. I mean, Venezuela, I'm going to be crystal clear about that, step by step. Now we are fully committed to collaborate, to contribute to the recovery of Venezuela. And our main contribution to recover Venezuela taking advantage the opportunity we have in our hands is first to stabilize the gas production. We are going to increase in that 10% in coming months thanks to the bottlenecking process, the gas production in carbon. Of course, all that under the agreement we achieved three weeks ago about the sustainability of this production. That means that this year, we have a clear commitment from PDVSA to receive the cargoes that are going to pay the full gas we are producing in Venezuela. And in Petroquia, last week, we signed an agreement where, as paying agents, Repsol, we could be able to manage the oil production, of course, paying the royalties, paying taxes, paying the OPEX and CAPEX petro-fugitive needs to increase the production and having a fair percentage for the service that the operators, the shareholders, Tederecha and Repsol will provide to the petro-fugitive assets. So that means more cargoes to be paid and increasing production, more taxes and royalties for the country, a contribution to the recovery of Venezuela and the social and economic recovery of Venezuela, the political stabilization in that win-win strategy. From my point of view now, and of course, we know what is the debt we have with PDVSA. PDVSA knows that. I think that, I mean, a time for that will be open in the future, no doubt about that. But now, from our point of view, it's time to do what I mentioned before. And if Venezuela recovers, from the current situation, if there is any higher production, more revenues, I'm sure that we are going to find windows of opportunity to talk and to try to address this question. Going to Libya. I mean, Libya, remember that this quarter we have been producing 42,000 barrels a day, even taking into account that we have an event of two, three days, an operational event in a pipe that is the, I mean, transporting the crude oil from El Salada to Al-Shabia and the refinery in the Libyan coast. I mean, 42,000 barrels a day could fit, broadly speaking, and I could, I mean, perhaps make a mistake with the figure, but 320 to 325, 327,000 barrels a day. And The best expectation I have today, gross I mean, the figure I mentioned now is gross, that we could finish 2026 with 350,000 barrels a day. That means an 8%, roughly speaking, of the current production increase. That means that we could be producing something net result 45, 46,000 barrels a day in Libya. So an important improvement comparing with the 32, 34 we produced two years ago. On top of that, connecting wells, of course, is the magic for getting these figures. We are exploring. We are now engaging in an appraisal and drilling well in Libya. In Libya, and on top of that, you know that this quarter, we were awarded with two new exploration opportunities, one of them onshore in the Sirte Basin, and the second one offshore in front of Benghazi in the east part of Libya. So, again, we rely on Libya. Stability is there. I think that the job that, I mean, Daniel Hacker and the Libyan army is developing, I mean, to stabilize the country, to reduce over the last year the impact of any security disruption in the country, including terrorism and so on. It's very important, not only for Libya, not only for the stability of the country, but also for the stability of Europe and the Mediterranean Basin. So we rely on Libya, and I think that we are going to have in the country, I mean, good news step by step, in terms of political and social .

Thank you very much, Henry. Our next question comes from James Carmichael at . Please, James, go ahead with your question.

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to come back on Alaska for a second. I was just wondering, obviously, people are actually doing well. Just wondering if you can provide a bit more detail on that, the Quokka appraisal, the operator's commentary seemed to indicate some positive results there. And obviously you've flagged winning sort of 740 exploration licenses. How important, I guess, do you think Alaska could be to growth going forwards? And then just coming back on refining, not sort of underestimate the achievement, but in terms of that 25% increase in kerosene production you flagged February to May. Is that as far as you can push it, or is there potentially sort of more upside if you see that as the right way to go further in the year?

Thanks. Thank you, James. I mean, quicker, the test of the world was really very, very positive. I think that the The production was at around 2,800 bottles a day that for our test is an impressive figure. I mean, it's perhaps too early to comment that, but our perception today is that in gross production, quokka is a new picker one. I mean, what we have in our hands in quokka is something equivalent to a picker one. If we take into account Of course, we have to drain new wells to maintain the plateau in PICA-1 in coming years and so on. But we take that. We take what we have seen in the prospect of PICA-2. PICA-2, we are working, in fact, in the field, the preparation, the engineering preparation of the FID. But, of course, our approach fully shared with Santos is that, I mean, it's important to analyze, to see, the behavior of the production of the wells of PICA-1, I mean, to incorporate, to use all this information to improve the engineering of PICA-2. When we take PICA-1, PICA-2, where we take FID in a year, plus COCA, and we put and project this development, I mean, we are seeing in 2032, 2033, a gross production of around 150,000, 160,000 barrels a day in Alaska. So, where we retain a 49%. So, in some way, Alaska is, for Repsol, could be, let me use the term I know that perhaps would be a bit, I mean, big words that I did a company maker for Repsol because what we are growing, the way we are going to grow in Alaska is going to add a lot of value to our company. I mean, I prefer not to say and not to answer to your question in front of my refining team because when I asked to them Four weeks ago, they developed a huge effort to increase enough 15% the production in Coruña and Petronor. And when I asked to them about going on with this effort, they answered, José León, that is impossible. I mean, we are achieving the limit. Three, four days ago, this extraordinary team came to me saying, We have been able, and we are going to be able in May, to increase in an additional 10% this production. That means that, all in all, we are going to increase in 22-25% the previous production we have. So, now my answer is no. We have the, and we got the limit. because, I mean, in technical terms, it's not easy. Let me say that we increase the logistics. In operational terms, we change things and so on. But, I mean, 95,000 barrels a day of kerosene, it means that it's a figure close to 12, 13% of our total production. It's a very high figure. So my answer would be we can't do more, but, again, we are going to do our best to increase these figure games. Thank you. All right.

Thank you very much, James. Our next question comes from Nash Qui at Barclays. Nash, please go ahead with your question.

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Two, please. The first one, you delivered very strong trading results in Q1. I wonder if you could provide some color on the trading performance in April and perhaps some of your expectations for Q2, please. My second question is, Dr. Jun, I agree, they are in a very volatile environment. But could you just update us on WebSource's current oil and gas hedging positions and how the current volatile environment could lead you to change your hedging strategy?

Thank you. Thank you, Nash.

I mean, as far as I know, so April, I don't, of course, talk about the whole second quarter. April is going to be close to March in terms of solid results in trading. And the second quarter, probably, because it's going to be probably even better than the first one. I'm talking about the trading of liquids, because if we go to gas, you know that the gas trading business over Seoul is fully impacted by the American winter. So, you know, that January, February, depending on weather, we capture a lot of positive margins because we are able to deplace the gas from Kanapur towards the New England area, capturing the high margins in the area. So, as always, gas is going to be lower in second, third quarter, and fourth quarter is going to depend on the December weather. And liquids, probably second quarter are going to be even better than the first one. Hedging, we don't use to hedge the oil. The only exception we have in $2 per million BTUs, roughly speaking, and 5.2 or something similar as a code. And we have a similar color covering up 20% of the 2027 production with no cost, but only related to heavy heart production.

Thank you, Nash. Very helpful.

Thank you, Nash. Our next question comes from Matt Loftin at J.P. Morgan. Please, Matt, go ahead with your question.

Hi, thanks for taking the questions and doing the presentation. Can I just ask, I mean, obviously, the refining environment is exceptionally volatile. When you look at April, perhaps, as an example, could you share a sense of the range in the realized margin that you've seen around the sort of the average that you've mentioned earlier? If the sort of the daily range is too volatile and too wide, perhaps, for example, as a five-day moving average or whatever you think is most appropriate. And then second, I just wanted to ask you on cash flows. Generation in operating cash flow in the first quarter is very, very strong. I just wondered if you could share the extent to which there's positive timing effects in there, perhaps linked to inventory gains that we should be aware of as we think about the cash flow trajectory for the rest of the year. Thank you.

So, Matt, I mean, it's not, I mean, I agree with your point about volatility, mainly if you analyze the margin indicator, then day after day when we see the whole picture of the margin, I mean, the indicator plus the premium is not so volatile. So, I'm going to give you the real figures. April, we have an indicator of $12 a barrel. and a premium that is going to be at around $15 a bottle. So that means that we could have $25, $27 a bottle for the whole system. And some days we have seen, and I mean, probably I have to dip a bit more, or to dive, sorry, a bit more on that, Some days, because the decoupling between the physical print and the financial one, we saw a strong decrease of this refining margin indicator. But those days, in real terms, the printing we were capturing was significantly higher. So, all in all, I mean, there is some volatility, as always. we have seen a quite constant margin in April that all in all, as I mentioned before, could be at around $12 a barrel indicator and 15 debt premium. And we are entering May tomorrow, I mean, under this scenario. I don't know what could happen. It would be great, I mean, to see some China because, as I mentioned before, we could have concerns about the supply and so on worldwide that The situation today is there. Cash flow. You are right. The cash flow generation in first quarter was high. You know, and we were very transparent about that, that we took advantage to increase our working capital. First, in a physical term, let me say that we have fulfilled all the capacity we have to restore products in our finance system and even contracting new capacity and so on, that means that it's not going to be easy for us to increase the physical exposure over the year. I mean, the working capital is going, of course, to evolve depending on the evolution of the price, and that is not in our hands. But if we, I mean, decouple this effect, that is, of course, important to guarantee the supply of our customers in this complex and volatile time. We could think that the inventory effect is not going to have any negative influence over the year in terms of funds, of volume. I mean, we are not going to see changes. And the changes could be only positive, that means, or neutral. I mean, maintaining the current storage or reducing the level of physical storage depending on the evolution of events. If we talk about prices, Matt, I mean, I can't give you a clue because that is going to depend on the evolution of crude oil price and products price. And that is not in our hands. But I could imagine that the cash flow from operation is going to be pretty good over the year. As I mentioned before, I'm not going to give you a guidance because I'm not able to do that. But remember, we have something in between 5.5 to 6 in an environment where we were talking about $7.5 a barrel of refining margin and $1.5 of premium for the whole year. and $65 a barrel for Brent oil for the whole year. So you take the sensitivities that you perfectly know, of course, Pablo and the team will be ready to work this figure with you, and you take the consideration I developed in this conference, probably you are going to have some kind of a real clue about the cash flow from operations for the year that, again, is not going to have any negative effect in terms of inventory coming from the volume side. If we talk about prices again, I could give you additional clues. Thank you, Matt. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Matt. Our next question comes from Paul Redman at BMP Paribas Exxon. Go ahead with your question, Paul.

Hi, guys. Thank you very much for your time. Yeah, two questions. First was on CapEx, you've guided to 2.7 billion euros for the year on a net CapEx basis. I just wanted to ask how much divestment or acquisition you're including in that number. And then secondly, Accelerate EU has come out. I want to see whether you're getting any or having any conversations with governments about, sounds like you're running as hard as you can around jet fuel, but whether there's any more pressure on reps or some governments to see if you can go further.

Thank you, Paul. So, I mean, the exact figure I give in the Capital Market Day, you are right, it was 2.7 billion euros. I mean, I'm working under the range 2.5, right? I mean, that's in the middle. I think that's 2.5. 2.7, as you mentioned, could be today our best approach to the net capex of the year. There is no any disposal or acquisition included in that figure. That means that the only, let me say, inorganic thing in this figure is the rotation, the recurrent rotation of the assets of low carbon. And let me say that it's working in the right way. If you analyze the cash figure we released this morning with the papers of the results and so on, you could see that even the renewable business, the low-carbon business, has a positive free cash flow this quarter because this model of cash flow from operations plus investment, we are growing this business, of course, minus, in this case, the cash incoming from the output rotation. So now we are engaged in the... final part of another rotation of 700 megawatts of assets in Spain and we expect to have a positive result of this process. So things are going to work in the right direction and we are comfortable with the 2.7 billion euros for the year net capex you mentioned before. We have a very transparent, direct, and positive dialogue with the Spanish government. Because, of course, the Spanish government knows that, I mean, in any European country, jet is important. But I mentioned before, if you analyze the percentage of the gross domestic product that tourism represents in Spain, and if we go to areas like Balearic Islands or Canary Islands that are fully dependent on aviation. I mean, that is, let me say, in national terms, is fully strategic for Spain, the jet production. We have a very positive dialogue with, in this case, with the Environment Transition Ministry and with the Vice President that is leading this ministry. And we are informing them of all this evolution before we are developing the robustness of the refining system in Spain. And in this sense, again, as I mentioned before, I can't say that the game is over because it's not depending only on Repsol. But Repsol today is ready and could say that we are going to provide all the jet that we provide to our customers last year over the whole summer, and we have an excess of 30% of this figure that we are ready to work in terms of trying to solve another problem that could appear. And when I say another problem, I'm talking of, for instance, some other operators that they could have a gap between production and demand, or What could happen? Imagine a flight, Birmingham, Malaga, transporting British tourists to Malaga. That is quite normal in summer. And if we have the product in Malaga to provide the fuel or the refueling this company needs to go to Birmingham, it's okay. But perhaps this company could have in Birmingham a problem to be refueled. So, when I say that I don't know if this 25-30% of express capacity is enough, I'm talking about that. It's true that now there are some kind of restrictions in regulation in European level that every airport has to refuel a minimum of 90% of the fuel this plane needs for this refueling. for this flight it seems to me that we are talking with administration about that that in European level probably they have to change this rule because otherwise we could have problems in some European countries not able to fulfill or to enforce this rule but again Repsol is going to do its best to contribute to the Spanish society in terms of guaranteeing the maximum security of supply and not only with our customers, but also thanks to defaults we develop to provide additional needs. Is that going to be enough? I don't have a full answer, but we are going to do our best in this direction. Thank you.

Thank you, Justin.

I'll put my Malaga flag. I mean, I'm from San Sebastian, but from the other side of the peninsula, again, Malaga is a fantastic destination. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much, Paul. Our next question comes from Christopher Coupland, Bank of America, Maryland. Please go ahead with the question.

Thank you, Pablo. Just two more questions, please, and maybe of you as well. Just as John, you were mentioning potentially having to change definitions of indicators versus premium. I hope you don't. As long as you give us the transparency that you're giving us on both, I'm very happy with sticking to the existing definition. And to that point, if I could ask one more question on your March data. You told us about the indicator being as high as 20 then. Do you have the data for how high the premium was in March that you were able to extract? That's question number one. And question number two, sorry, a tiny detail. We just wanted to see whether you could give us some insight into the extra central cost that you have recorded in industrial EBITDA in Q1. That sounds like a one-off in your spreadsheet at 250 million, but if not now, we can revisit after the call as well.

Thank you. Thank you, Parish.

So, first, you are right, and again, I have to excuse myself because I mean, the indicator is working in a normal situation. That's what we are seeing. It's fully disruptive and it's not working. So, we, of course, we are fully transparent, Chris, and you have, on top of the indication of all the figures I could provide you here, you have the team of Pablo Bonatani ready to work with you in terms of providing all the figures you need to follow what is happening. In March, Roughly speaking, the indicator was at around $20 a barrel, and the premium was at around $10 a barrel. In the case of February, as I said before, we could be talking about $12 and $15, realistically. So the total figure is similar in both months. And behind this $10 indicator of premiums during March, is the 5.7 average I mentioned before. This extra negative central cost that we reflect in industrial, I'm going to try to elaborate. I mean, this is happening every quarter. What is happening now, again, because the price differences are so high, the impact in the P&L is significantly material this time. And for that reason, we have to explain that. I mean, imagine that our refining is selling in March 30th the product to our service station network or to our trading business and the refining business is of course taking the price of this product across the market with the funding that day. But because in March 31st the last day of the quarter, the product is still in a company included in Repsol group. I mean, we can't, in the consolidated figures of the company, we can't take this market price. We have to discount or to reduce the real price in the market till... we are able to sell this product in the market. That's probably going to happen in the service station case in April 1 or 2, and in the trading perhaps 10 or 15 days later. So that is happening. I mean, it's a rule that is working every quarter. But this quarter, because the high increase of prices, the effect of this, let me say, extra negative cost is included as a non-transcended operation that is included in the central cost of the industrial area. Be sure that these 200, rather speaking, 250 million euros in March, 250 we take not only Spain but also Peru, they are going to appear in the second quarter. And if they don't appear in the second quarter, it's because at the end of June we are still seeing, let me say, a higher increase of prices. Probably that is not going to happen. The central scenario is that these 200, 250 million euros of negative central cost plus an additional 200 million euros that they come from the lack in the pricing for the aviation sector, that you know that this industry is working with the prices of the month before, are also going to appear in the result of April. And that is perhaps behind the comments that, in a right way, some of you did this morning, saying that probably the industrial area result, the adjusted net income, was slightly below expectations. If you add these 450 million euros that are going to appear in the second quarter, perhaps you have an answer to your reasonable doubt. Thank you, Chris.

That's great. Very helpful. Thank you.

Thank you, Chris. That was our last question today. With this, we will bring our first quarter conference call to an end. Thank you very much for your attendance.