8/27/2026

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Operator
Conference Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Scandinavian Tobacco Group Q2 Results 2026 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1 1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To answer your question, please press star 1 and 1 again. Alternatively, you may submit your question via the webcast. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Torben Sand. Please go ahead.

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Torben Sand
Director of Investor Relations and External Communications

Thank you. Good morning to everyone on the call and thank you for joining us today. My name is Seth Torben Sand and I am Director of Investor Relations and External Communications. and I am today joined by our CEO Niels Frederiksen and our CFO Marianne Rørslev Bock. Before we start, I ask that you pay special attention to our disclaimer on forward-looking statements which can be found on the next slide in this deck. Please turn to slide number three. Let's have a brief look at our agenda. Niels will start with the key developments of the first half year including an update to our strategy focus 2030 and Marianne will then take you through the half year financial results for the group and our three commercial divisions. I will then hand it back to Niels who will provide some additional insights to our expectations for the full year. Following the presentations we will host a Q&A session where we will be pleased to take any questions that you might have. Now, let's begin. Please turn to slide number five and I will leave the work for Niels.

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Torben, and welcome to the call. Today, we are reporting on the results for the first half of the year, and while we're still in the initial phase of our Focus 2030 strategy, we will talk about the progress made in this area. I'll start by spending a moment sharing my reflections on the progress we have made with the strategy, and then Marianne will talk to the financial highlights. Our main priorities embedded in Focus 2030 are unchanged. They are to stabilize earnings in our machine-rolled cigar and smoking tobacco business, to inject new energy and growth into our strong handmade cigar business, and to continue to accelerate our promising nicotine pouch business. The activities that we have activated to support the strategy is progressing well, and we are more or less following the plans we outlined at the Capital Markets Day last November. We are taking small steps in the right direction, and I am confident that we are creating the foundation needed for delivering on our long-term ambitions for the Group. Let me give you a few examples. For the first six months of 2026, our combined tobacco categories – handmade cigars, machine-rolled cigars, and smoking tobacco – show signs of stabilization. Organic net sales are flat compared with last year, while the gross margin before special items has improved. Stabilizing our machine-rolled cigars and smoking tobacco business is essential to deliver well on the two other priorities, growing our handmade cigars and growing our nicotine pouch business. We are executing our nicotine pouch strategy by expanding our product portfolio into the mint and menthol segment and by expanding to new markets. Our market share in Sweden continues to perform well. And in July, we agreed to divest two of our fine-cut brands and Moro to Japan Tobacco in a transaction which at completion will strengthen our strategic and financial flexibility. Based on the financial performance in the first six months and the early part of the third quarter, we remain on track to deliver on our full year 2026 expectations. Now please turn to slide number six where Marianne will talk about the financial highlights of the quarter.

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Marianne Rørslev Bock
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Niels. The stabilization in net sales, which we saw at the beginning of the year, has continued throughout the second quarter. Organic net sales growth was broadly unchanged for both the first six months and the second quarter. For the half year, reported net sales were 4.2 billion kroner, 3% lower than the same period last year, with exchange rate impacting net sales negative by the same 3%. For the second quarter, reported net sales declined by 1%, including a negative impact of 1% from exchange rate development. I will shortly provide more details of the performance of our commercial divisions. EBITDA for special items increased slightly during the first half compared to the same period last year, with the EBITDA margin improving by around 1 percentage point. The improvement was primarily driven by a higher income from duty drawback refunds. Excluding the impact from duty drawbacks, the EBITDA margin before special items declined, reflecting both higher investments relating to the execution of the strategy and the fact that the turnaround in our machine-rolled cigar business will take time. The EBITDA margin before special items was unchanged compared to last year, both for the half year and for the second quarter. As previously communicated and as a result of our power brand strategy, we increased the amortization of trademarks from the beginning of this year. For the first half of 2026, the trademark amortization increased by 38 million compared with last year, corresponding to a 0.9 percentage point impact on EBIT margin. We continue to estimate that the change in trademark amortization will increase amortizations by nearly 75 million kroner for the full year. The free cash flow before acquisitions was 422 million, an improvement of nearly 150 million compared with the first half of last year. For the second quarter, the free cash flow was 264 million. The collection of receivables referred to in the full year 2025 report and the first quarter announcement in May has been recovered. The underlying cash flow development continues to support our full year expectations of 950 million to 1.2 billion. Finally, leverage remained unchanged three times compared with the end of last year and by the end of March this year. We continue to expect leverage to move towards our target ratio by the end of the year, as cash flow normally is higher in the second half of the year. Assuming closing of the divestment of the brand's break and morrow before the year end, the leverage ratio will decrease to below 2.5 times. Now please turn to slide number 7. On the 22nd of July, We announced the signing of an agreement with Japan Tobacco to divest two brands within our fine-cut tobacco portfolio, Breck and Morrow. In 2025, our fine-cut tobacco business accounted for approximately 12% of group net sales, with Breck and Morrow representing slightly less than 4%. This means that we will retain a meaningful and valuable fine-cut business after the divestment. Greg and Mauro accounted for slightly more than 4% of gross profit and including allocated costs for approximately 6% of EBITDA. The divestment supports our strategic agenda and strengthen our strategic and financial flexibility. The transaction value is 176 million euros equals to 1.3 billion kroner. With proceeds estimated at about 1 billion kroner after tax, the group's leverage ratio will decrease to below our target ratio of 2.5 times, which was one of our key financial priorities. We expect the transaction to close before year-end, subject to certain customary closing conditions, such as antitrust approvals. An important element to the agreement is the contract manufacturing agreement with Japan Tobacco for the continued production of breaks of up to three years, subject to a six-month termination notice period, which can be exercised from the day of closing. This production agreement gives us valuable time to assess how best to optimize the manufacturing network and our efficiency at our two factories in Hostelbro in Denmark, for our mid-term needs. The transaction is not expected to impact our guidance ranges in 2026 for net sales, EBIT margin and EPS . Cash flow is expected to be positively impacted by transfer of inventories to Japan Tobacco at closing. Profit margins are lower for contract manufacturing volume. Both gross profit and EBITDA will be impacted from 2027 onwards due to divestment. Now please turn to slide number 9 and I will leave the work back to Niels.

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you Marianne. Let me start by updating you on the solid progress we are making with Focus 2030. As I said before, the key strategic priorities are to stabilize our machine rolled cigar and smoking tobacco business, to grow our handmade cigars, and to accelerate nicotine pouches. And financially, our priority for the near term has been to regain financial flexibility by reducing our leverage. We made good progress with all our priorities less than one year into the execution of the strategy. Firstly, we managed to stabilize profits in the category machine-rolled cigars and smoking tobacco. Although we did experience an exceptionally rare quality issue with raw tobacco, used in our signature premium little cigar product which impacted the business primarily in France. The gross margin for the category has improved by almost one percentage point and we stabilized our volume market shares in five of seven key European markets. These are small but important steps for us to deliver on our long-term ambitions for the category. With respect to the quality issue, new tobacco has been secured and production and product availability is expected to normalize during the third quarter, although our market share performance in primarily France will be impacted in the third quarter as well. Having said that, we can see stabilization of market shares in other markets and they are driven by power brands, Signature, La Paz, Mejais and Penta. Secondly, our handmade cigars have continued to deliver solid mid-single-digit organic growth throughout the first six months of the year, supported again by our power brand strategy, our retail stores, and improved performance in our online business. Based on our power brands, which you may recall being Cohiba, Macanudo, CAO, and Alec Bradley, our target is to increase our market share in the U.S. market. By leveraging our strong online and expanding retail distribution platforms to support the growth of our brands, we aim to grow our power brands faster than the category growth, and we are doing so. The third strategic priority is to build a larger business in the increasingly attractive nicotine pouch category. The category accounts for about 5% of group net sales today, but delivers above average growth. We expect our nicotine pouch business to deliver a material contribution to our long-term mid-sales and profit development. During the first six months, our power brand XQS continued to take market share in the important Swedish market. The brand's share has grown from less than 11% in the beginning of 2025 to almost 14% in the second quarter of 2026. We've added mint and menthol to our product portfolio in Sweden and the UK, with early indications being positive for the launch. Mint and menthol is the largest segment by far in most of the developed nicotine pouch markets. Finally, the divestment of the FineCut Grants Break and Moro will strengthen our strategic and financial flexibility and increase the probability of us executing successfully on the strategy. With this, please turn to the next slide. Let me now give you more details about the development of our product categories. During the first half, machine-rolled cigars and smoking tobacco delivered a 4% negative organic net sales development, with smoking tobacco performing better than machine-rolled cigars, reflecting the decrease in volume and market share in machine-rolled cigars. The gross margin was relatively stable, both for the first six months and for the second quarter. Handmade cigars continue to deliver solid organic growth driven by our branded business in the U.S. as well as our retail stores. The gross margin before special items is improving, though some of the increase in the second quarter relates to a refund of tariffs. Overall, competition remains intense, but we do see indications that the execution of our strategic agenda is beginning to deliver positive results for both sales and profit margins. Nicotine pouches reversed the decrease from the first quarter by delivering 8% organic net sales growth in the second quarter. For the first six months, growth remained negative at minus 5%. However, the development is driven by inventory adjustments by trade partners, as well as the continued streamlining of our own nicotine pouch portfolio. The in-market performance is stronger and is encouraging. With this, I will now leave the word back to Marianne for a review of the financials, so please turn two slides to slide number 12.

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Marianne Rørslev Bock
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Niels. In my opening remarks, I covered the key developments in net sales, profits, and cash flow. However, I would like to provide a few additional comments on selected financial details and key metrics. The financial statements are impacted by four items which temporarily impact the data and reduce visibility to the underlying performance of our business. That said, the key message I would like to convey is that the underlying business performance has started to stabilize when these four items are excluded. Firstly, as we communicated in connection with the release of our full year expectations in March, other income will be positively impacted by duty drawback refunds. In the first half of the year, other income was 79 million compared with 18 million kroner last year. This income impacts EBITDA positively in the division North America branded, rest of the world, and for the group. Secondly, as we also communicated in March, We decided to change and increase the amortization of trademarks as a result of the new FOCUS 2030 strategy with a stronger focus on our power brands. The increase in amortization has a negative impact on EBIT. The impact was 38 million kroner in the first half of the year. For the full year, we maintained the expectation that the positive impacts of duty drawback will be slightly higher than the negative impact from the change in amortization, which is expected around 75 million kroner for the full year. Third item. We expensed approximately 35 million kroner in the second quarter for the write-down of obsolete products in relation to the quality issue in machine-grown cigars that we mentioned earlier in the call. The write-down impacts gross profit in Europe branded and the group. Finally, the fourth item. The second quarter results were positively impacted by a refund of tariffs in US, which more or less offset the write-down I just mentioned. The refund is primarily included in the gross profit in our online and retail business. Special items for the half year amounted to negative 135 million kroner compared with negative 105 million kroner in the same period of last year. These costs primarily relate to the focus 2030 re-organization and our global SHG implementation and to a lesser extent for the McBaron integration costs and for our new service delivery organization. We continue to expect the special cost in 2026 with total approximately 275 million. Now please turn one slide to slide number 13. Let me now share a few additional remarks about the three reporting divisions. For the first six months, reported net sales growth was positive in North America Branded, rest of the world, and negative in the two other commercial divisions. In the second quarter, Eurobranded was the only division to report negative growth. Measured by organic growth, excluding the negative impact from the weaker U.S. dollar, both North America Online & Retail and North America Branded in Britain as well delivered positive growth in the first six months and for the second quarter. This reflects the slightly improved market for handmade cigars as well as market share gains in both the branded business and in the retail distribution channel. For Europe branded, organic net sales continue to decline, reflecting a total market decline of about 4% in our key European markets. Market share losses as a result of the quality issue impacting our position in France and the continuous streamlining of our nicotine pouch portfolio. Margins in your branded declined in the second quarter compared with last year. Lower production volumes had a negative impact on both the gross profit and the EBITDA, while the write-down of obsolete products impacted the margin negatively by about 2.5 percentage points for the half year and about 4.5 percentage points for the second quarter. Excluding the write-down, the gross margin before special items improved in the first half year and was unchanged in the second quarter. Although the second quarter margin for North America online and retail is positively impacted by the terrorist refunds, it is encouraging to see the underlying margin has turned around and is now improving. This reflects the initial results of execution of our commercial strategy with stronger focus on our power brand as well as positive impact of the organic nitrile course. With this, I'll now hand the presentation back to Niels. Please turn two slides to slide number 15.

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Marianne. Overall, our expectations for 2026 remain unchanged compared with the expectations we released in March and confirmed our first quarter results in May. As Marianne just mentioned, we do however expect A positive impact on the free cash flow when the divestment of our fine cut brands has closed. For the rest of the year, we continue to expect overall consumer and market trends to remain broadly in line with recent years across most of our product categories. Having said that, year to date developments, including July, suggest a slightly improved market for handmade cigars in the U.S., Thank you very much. For 2026, we maintain the expectation of good net sales growth, For the year, we expect the EBIT margin with four special items to be in the range of 13 to 14.5% compared with a 14.9% in 2025. The expectation reflects that we will continue investing in the execution of our Focus 2030 strategy and the EBIT margin is expected to decrease in the second half of the year compared to the same period of 2025, partly reflecting the continued investments in our business and partly reflecting relatively strong margins in the second half of 2025. For 2026, The pre-cash flow before acquisitions is still expected in the range of $950 million to $1.2 billion, though with the caveat of the potential positive impact from the transfer of inventories with the divestment of breaking moral clauses. Finally, we maintain our expectation that the leverage ratio will move towards our target ratio of 2.5 times by the end of the year, again, before any effects from the divestment of the fine-cut brands. This concludes our prepared presentation for today's webcast and I'll hand the word back to the operator and we are ready to take any questions that you may have. Thank you for listening.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To answer your question, please press star 1 1 again. We will now take our first question. from the line of Niklas Ekman from DMV Carnegie. Please go ahead.

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Niklas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Thank you. Yes, a couple of questions from my end. Firstly, if we start with Europe branded, you've obviously seen a fairly long period of decline in sales and market share decline. And of course, here in Q2, there were a couple of specific issues in France, but Can you talk a little bit about the underlying trend and what efforts are done and what you're seeing in terms of underlying performance in terms of migration to lower priced alternatives etc.

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you Andreas. It is true that Euro branded has been challenged especially on machine world cigars for a long period but it's also The division that carries most of our nicotine pouch business. So again, this is what we've said before. Our job now is to stabilize that development and I think it's fair to say that the exceptionally rare quality issue was a disruption to that work we've been doing, but it is still our Thank you very much. that we do not see a clear correlation between the two and we still need more data. I can also say that one of the reasons why we decided to divest the two brands of Brake and Moro is that there is more risk on that category when it comes to excise alignment between various tobacco categories and also we are more concerned about potential migration to cheaper alternatives such as vape when you have a product category like that which is really driven by economy.

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Niklas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Excellent. And on that topic, if you look in the last few years, have those two brands, have they been accretive or have they been a burden to your organic sales and earnings development?

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Marianne Rørslev Bock
Chief Financial Officer

They have been accretive. So they have been growing. The Morrow is a very, very small brand that we acquired with McBaron. So in principle, it is a break brand that is the one that has given us with net revenue and that has been increasing in the past few years.

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Niklas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay, and continuing on that topic, you're talking about the antitrust approval. Are there any big risks here? I mean, there's always uncertainty, but does Japan Tobacco have a significant overlap here, suggesting that this might take time or that they might require concessions, or is it a fairly straightforward process?

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Marianne Rørslev Bock
Chief Financial Officer

So we still expect closing within this calendar year. and we do not estimate that there are significant risk of not getting the antitrust approval.

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Niklas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay, excellent. And can you say anything about use of proceeds here? I assume that this could enable you, once your net debt is back well below two and a half times, that could enable resumed buybacks. Do you think this could happen already in 26 or more likely in 27 in that case?

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Marianne Rørslev Bock
Chief Financial Officer

So with this sale, we are getting back to a more comfortable leveraged level where we would like to operate. So as we also said in the presentation, we will likely be below the target of two and a half times. It's too early for us to say anything about capital allocation and resuming share buybacks. We want to close the The deal here, and then we will look into our strategic initiatives and what is needed of investments. And of course, also in that discussion, taking into account any capital allocation considerations. But too early to say for now, Niklas.

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Niklas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay, fair enough. And just a quick additional here one on the streamlining here of ACE and GRIT. This started in Q4 of last year, right? So this is something that will continue to hamper sales in Q3 and partly in Q4, is that correct?

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, you can see we already progressed quite far in streamlining the portfolio and we are balancing, let's say, Continuing with Ace and Grid, where it makes sense from a market perspective, but all our efforts, all our focus go into making XQS our lead brand.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. We will now take our next question.

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Operator
Conference Operator

From the line of Damian Magnella from Deutsche Bank, please go ahead.

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Damian Magnella
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you, morning everybody. A few questions from me please. Can we just start on the European quality issue? Can you just provide a few more specifics about exactly what happened please and then the timing when it happened in the quarter and how much of Q3 will be impacted and I just sort of interested in how Signature's market share was performing before the impact as well. So that's a longer first question for me, thanks.

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

So as I mentioned, this is an exceptionally rare quality issue and I've been in the business for more than 25 years. We've never encountered something similar. The short version of it is that the burning qualities of the tobacco was not good enough and we only realized that when we started to get consumer complaints in the latter part of April and immediately as we got those consumer complaints we dived in to understand the problems and quickly decided to take the product out of the market and let's say ramp up our supply chain for replacement. So if you think about the timing of this it was Thank you very much. We don't have the product available in the market and we now have to refill it and open it up again. So what we see is that in the course of Q3 we will be back to normal inventory levels in the trade and we'll also see a negative market share impact in the third quarter. But we believe we've done the right by responding quickly to the consumer incident, bringing the product back and replacing it with Good product. What we don't understand today, and which we will know more about when we close the third quarter, is what is the net impact to consumers in terms of are they returning to smoke the brand, which has been a successful brand for us, or will they stay with what they have potentially smoked in the in-between?

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Niklas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Yeah, okay.

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Damian Magnella
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

And it's just Just so I understand this, the issue around the burning of the tobacco, is that something inherently about how the leaf grew or is it something to do with the processing?

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

It is most likely happening in the process of growing. That's the analysis that we have done and concluded. And even though you can say we have multiple tests along the way of buying tobacco, receiving tobacco and whatever, but this is again a very rare composition in the tobacco leaf that the test that we've had so far did not uncover and we've now put in new procedures that should avoid a similar issue happening. As I said, this is really a rare problem and of course very unfortunate for us for it to happen in a category that is already struggling.

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Damian Magnella
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yeah, no, that's very clear. Thank you, Niels. The second question is on US cigars. We're seeing some good organic growth there. I'm just wondering to what extent the growth is being driven by sort of improved end market conditions or whether we are seeing the benefits of an increased focus on key brands within those two business channels.

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

I think one of the things we debated last year on the U.S. handmade cigar market was that we saw people responding with down trading because prices were going up because of tariffs and other things. And when we looked at the innovation pipeline that we created in the, let's say, in the second half of last year for launch this year, we have been more occupied with bringing More value-oriented offers to consumers, and that has been quite successful for us. That has driven quite a bit of the growth in the first half, but this is also what is putting margins a little under pressure. But we still think that it's right to let it be where the consumer is and then subsequently work with price increases to get the price of these products back up when we see market improvement.

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Damian Magnella
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yeah, okay. And so you haven't seen an improvement in the end market, it's just that you've just got a better, more attractive offer to the consumers?

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

We've seen an improvement in the sense that we see the total market decline being less than what we anticipated. And that is, of course, also helping. But when you look at the growth, it is driven by a combination of us Thank you. And then perhaps just one last one on XQS. Can you just give a little bit more insight into how successful the launch of Mint has been in Sweden and

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Damian Magnella
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

It's still a little early, Damien, but it is exactly the point that we are watching. So, as we talked about it before, XQS in Sweden has been very much

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

Let's say built around a strong flavored portfolio and in the flavored portfolio, we are actually the leader, but it's the smaller segment of the market. So our launch into mint and menthol has been well accepted by the trade, both the regular trade and the online trade. It is an extremely tough battle because we are up against, especially Velo, who has a very strong hold in the menthol, but we are seeing small encouraging signs. but again, this is not something that is fixed in three or six months. It is a long haul and there is strategic importance in this because being strong and flavored is good and we are very happy about it but having a good position in mint and mintel is also important for long-term success.

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Damian Magnella
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yeah, okay, thanks. I'll leave it there. Let somebody else have a go. Thanks, Raymond.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions on the phone. I would like to hand back over to Torben Sand for webcast questions.

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Torben Sand
Director of Investor Relations and External Communications

Yes, thank you and we have one and that's how large an impact have duty refunds had or what would second half EBIT have been without duty refunds and I assume that is what would First half EBIT have been without duty refunds. Marianne?

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Marianne Rørslev Bock
Chief Financial Officer

Yes, so even though I already in the prepared speaking notes talked to the various items that give lower visibility to the TNL, let me just repeat that. So in Eurobranded we have a provision for our Bad quality of cigars of 35 million Danish kroner that impacts gross profit and EBITDA both in Eurogranted and Group. Then we have two types of duties. Duty drawback that is a well-known program in the U.S. where if you If you import certain products to US, you pay duties and taxes. But then again, if you export products on the same tax code, you can have a refund of those duties and taxes paid. That is what we call duty drawback refunds. Those you can always see in other income. and for the half year that is 79 million and for the second quarter it is around 50 million as an income. Then we have tariff refunds. Most remember that back in February, Supreme Court in US abolished the tariff regime that the administration had implemented and companies could reclaim those tariffs. We have reclaimed and we have taken an income that primarily impacts our online retail business of around 30 to 35 million, so more or less equal to the provision of the quality. So when we talk EBIT, then our duty refund for the half year impacts around 50 million, and our tariff refund impact around 33 million.

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Torben Sand
Director of Investor Relations and External Communications

Okay, thank you Marianne. And then we have another one and that's a longer question. I'll break it up and for Niels, regarding the divestment of brake and moral, first of all, does the divestment include cigarillas manufactured under the brake brand?

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

And the short answer to that is no. We will continue to

speaker
Torben Sand
Director of Investor Relations and External Communications

And then second, the one asking here is having some trouble wrapping his head around the justification given for the divestment as being in line with the strategy because just a few years ago our company acquired small pipe tobacco and rolling tobacco brands with McBaron and now three years later we have decided to divest the brands in the similar categories. So this may it seems a lot like an opportunistic divestment driven by the need to de-level the balance sheet and not necessarily something that would have been done under different circumstances. So maybe first a question or answer to that.

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

It's a good question and I think already when we had our capital markets day in November we explained that we would going forward be looking at potentially divesting less core businesses so that we could take the proceeds from that and invest into our core business of cigars and nicotine pouches. So during that process You can say that the potential divestment of Reagan Motor became an option. It has also become an option that we could see that there were buyers in the market willing to pay a very high price. And therefore, this has been a good transaction for us in order to free money up that we can subsequently use to investments in our core business and in our strategy. It does not mean that we are not very pleased with the pipe tobacco business we retain already and also with the fine coin business. These are important and let's say profitable business for us, but this is not where we see the growth and this is not where we will see the investments going forward. Magban in itself was an important transaction because it was a Thank you, Niels. And then we have a question on machine road cigars in Europe. Clearly, affordability is a major issue for tobacco consumers in many highly regulated markets in Western Europe.

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Torben Sand
Director of Investor Relations and External Communications

So cigars appears to benefit from the price gap with cigarettes in a number of markets such as the UK. Anecdotally, I am seeing more cigarillas being smoked on the street. So how is Scandinavian Tobacco Group positioning itself to benefit from that opportunity?

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Niels Frederiksen
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, so you can say if we take the UK as a concrete example then The situation in the UK where you see more cigarillos being smoked is also driven by the fact that there has emerged a segment of menthol-flavored small cigars after the sequence with menthol was banned. So that is the main reason why you may see more smokers smoking cigarillos. The traditional market for machine-rolled cigars in the UK is declining, as we see it in many other places. And of course, affordability is also an issue for that particular category in the UK.

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Torben Sand
Director of Investor Relations and External Communications

Okay, thank you, Niels. And I think we'll take one more, and that's a follow-up on the Greg Morrow discussion. So it's basically, did the Scandinavian Tobacco Group initiate the sale of the two brands or was the company approached?

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Marianne Rørslev Bock
Chief Financial Officer

So let me answer that question. So we have ongoing dialogue with the various players in the market. So it's difficult to say who was actually initiating. We have these ongoing dialogues. and when having a dialogue with Japan Tobacco this came on the radar and was developed into for us a very good transaction.

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Torben Sand
Director of Investor Relations and External Communications

Okay, thank you Marianne and that basically leaves it with questions from the webcast and I'll turn back to the operator.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions on the telephone at this time. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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