Telenor Asa Ord

Good morning and welcome to Telenor's second quarter results call. My name is Frank Møø, Head of Investor Relations. And with me today, I have Sigve Brekke, our CEO, and also Acting CFO Kasper Wolk-Årbø. As usual, within the presentation material today, all the references we make to growth rates are made on an organic, like-for-like currency basis. So today, Sigve will give an update on how the Nordic transformation process is going and also give a few comments on progress in Asia. And after this, Kasper will go through our financials and outlook. Then Sigve will sum it all up and open up for questions. Now, on an especially hectic earnings day with overlapping calls, we'll try to keep the session today a bit shorter and make sure everyone has a chance to ask their questions. So given this, we would really appreciate if you could limit yourself to one question today, please, restraining yourself to clarification-only follow-ups. So, Sigve, the floor is yours.

Thank you, Frank, and thanks for tuning in, everyone. I'm pleased with the performance of the second quarter. We continue to deliver on our strategy and this quarter's growth on top line EBITDA and at 2.2 billion free cash flow. I see that that's yet another proof point that our strategy works. In the Nordics, it is encouraging to see how the Nordic transformation is progressing in line with our ambitions. We are delivering yet another quarter with flat OPEX, and now the transformation program is approaching an inflection point. And I will come back to this in a few seconds. Cash flow in Asia is a key part of our strategy. Both Grameenphone and Selcom Digi already have solid cash flows. But to reach our ambition, true in Thailand will be the key. I visited True a few weeks ago and meeting our colleagues there, I continue to be impressed by how far they have come since the merger last year. True has really been gaining traction with growth picking up as well as synergies being ahead of plan. In line with a strategy, and we have talked about this before, on focusing on near core services. and what we call on top of connectivity services. We continue to focus on strengthening our offerings and capabilities within digital security. By the products we have developed both in the B2C segment and in the B2B, we have been able to build a leading market position across the Nordics on a growing security demand for our customers. This quarter, we successfully launched a new security offering to our customers in the business market in Norway. Hence, to further build on our capabilities and serve our business customers, we are also setting up a new cybersecurity company in our business area, AMP. Then coming back to the Nordics. As you know, June was marked by the tragic passing of Jørgen Rostrup, our leader of the Nordic business area. I miss him deeply. But in Jørgen's spirit, we continue to focus on business. And as I mentioned in the first quarter, we would in this quarter give an update on the Nordic transformation. So let me turn into that. I'm very pleased that Jon Omund Grevehaug has taken a new top role, acting as the new head of Nordics. We have a strong pool of experienced and passionate employees and senior leaders in Telenor, and Jon Omund is one of them. His team, together with the business units, are planning and executing on what I call a fairly radical improvement in terms of customer benefits and operating efficiencies. We are driving this within the four functional areas you see on this slide and also across the four Nordic operations. It's in within network and IT, within shared services, in the commercial area, and when it comes to working capital. So let me now in this quarter give a few examples and showing you some tangible results of what we have achieved so far. Starting with network and IT. In this domain, we have an AI-first and cloud-first strategy. We are now migrating operations to the cloud, shutting down legacy platforms and systems, and planning to scale up the use of generative AI. For this year, 2024, we have set an ambition to shut down 200 legacy systems. And so far, we have done 98 of them. They're also building a common Nordic platform within areas such as cloud development, analytics and software defined networks, SDX, which will provide the basis for use of AI and transformed customer experiences going forward. Regarding the shared services, we are off to a good start, but we have just started in this area. A new shared services hub in Portugal has been established. And we are now lifting transactional activities within finance, enterprise, IT and HR functions into a common Nordic organization. We have captured so far this year around 100 million in OPEC savings, and we have a full year ambitions of almost 200 million for this year. We plan for this effect to ramp up significantly in the coming years. In the commercial area, unified Nordic organizations have been set up within TV, managed services and also large enterprise sales. This would be a key area for us both to capture cost efficiencies, but also to enhance the customer experience over time. And the fourth area on the working capital, as mentioned last quarter, we have a common program in place focused on improving capital tie up. This program has already started to yield some results and Kasper will come back to that later. So. I will say we have taken a systematic approach to structuring and executing these initiatives, which will yield progressive benefits over the medium term and beyond. And as you can see from this illustration on the left hand side of the slide, we have the roadmap of both short term and long term initiatives. The majority part of the impact in the beginning is coming from the four individual business units. But over time, more impact will also be generated from the common Nordic activities. The continued modernization and digitalization of the way we work have also led to FTE reductions, averaging 4% in the Nordics over the last eight years. And as an example, we reduced FTEs by 8% in Norway last year. Given the scope of the transformation efforts we now are currently doing, I expect that the level of workforce optimization in the years ahead will be at least on the level that we have seen historically. So when we take all this together, how will this affect our OPEX? Well, for several quarters now, we have been very clear on our ambition of having a stable OPEX for 2024 and then a reduction going into 2025. However, as I mentioned initially, we have now delivered yet another quarter with flat OPEX in the Nordics. And we see additional effects from the transformation will come in later this year. We do therefore expect now to see a slight reduction in OPEX that that could be reached already within this year. Then moving to Asia. In the last quarterly report, True reported a continued pickup in growth and synergy realizations. We are even more confident now that we will receive payment of dividends from True in 2025. Cellcom Digi is also well on track with synergy realisation, and the company recently announced that around 50% of the new integrated and modernised network has been completed. This is on plan. This being said, I see room for further financial improvements in Malaysia, especially on the revenue growth. And we also expect a transparent process for the dual 5G network structure that Malaysian authorities have initiated. Moving to Bangladesh. In Grameenphone, we had a relatively slow start of the year. However, growth is now slowly picking up, and I do expect an improved performance into the second half of the year. Although the country was severely hit by extreme weather in the second quarter, Granvinfond added 2.3 million customers during the quarter. We also expect a closing of our Pakistan divestment towards the end of the year, although there is some uncertainty around the exact timing, which could also slide into 2025. And with this, I hand over to Kasper to take us through the financials.

Thank you, Sigve, and good morning, all. We grew group service revenues by 4.5% and EBITDA by almost 4% in the second quarter. Group capital sales was 15%, while we generated 2.2 billion in free cash flow, adding up to 5.5 billion year-to-date before M&A. I'm happy that we once again are able to report a set of numbers that supports our medium-term ambitions. Let's take a closer look at how we are performing at the group level. In Q2, service revenue growth was quite in line with the trend from recent quarters. Nordics is the main driver of growth due to its size, but Asia also contributes with more than 6% growth. Then let's take a look at group operating expenses. OPEX was up 3.7% year over year, on the back of continued energy cost increases in Asia, which reached 25% this quarter. Higher energy tariffs in Pakistan continues to be the main issue. We saw a broad-based increase in sales and marketing expenses after a bit of a light first quarter. On an overall regional level, Nordics continued to deliver on flat OPEX, which they also did in Q1. The mentioned increase in sales and marketing expenses were offset by continued strong performance on the operations and maintenance side due to our operational efficiency and technology agenda. Moving to Group EBITDA, we continue to see Nordics being the main contributor with 4% organic growth. HS EBITDA growth was held back by inflation, particularly in Pakistan, as well as growth costs this quarter, while infrastructure was stable. The soft trend in AMP continues, causing a 0.8 percentage points drag on the group level. AMP is facing gross margin headwinds and growth costs in several business units. While we expect a similar EBITDA in AMP in the second half of the year compared to the first, I expect the relative drag on the group growth to diminish over the next few quarters. Lastly, we see that other eliminations had an unusually large contribution this quarter. This is mainly explained by increased revenues coming from Telenor Procurement Company, now also providing service to Cellcom Digi and True. This sums up to an overall growth of 3.8% for the group. Zooming further in on the Nordics, where we see solid top-line performance across all business units. The growth of 3.7% was mainly driven by consumer mobile and ARPU growth coming from our more for more price increase execution. DNA was again the main contributor to the top-line growth. delivering another strong quarter and mobile service revenue growth of 10%. In general, we see that the small enterprise segment as a contributor to the growth within B2B. However, we see increasing competition within the large enterprise and public segment in Scandinavia, with some RP erosion in the quarter. That being said, As you heard Sigmund mentioning, we are establishing a common Nordic B2B product efforts and sales organization. This will strengthen our resource pool and ensure that we are commercially set up to meet the demand of large enterprises. All this led to an EBITDA growth of 4% this quarter. As you can see, the strong top line results in DNA trickles through to EBITDA, giving modest cost growth and fueling an EBITDA growth of 9%. In addition, Denmark posted 10% growth. However, note that this was largely due to improved gross margin following the lower handset sales and somewhat lower energy costs. Then a few words on Asia. Overall, we continue to see progress on growth in Asia, as well as on the synergy realization in the two associated companies that are a result of the two large mergers in 2022 and 2023. We continue to see headwinds from energy subsidy cuts in Grameenphone and Telenor Pakistan, in line with what we talked about in previous calls this year. Inflation remains an issue in these markets. Grameenphone grew its customer base nicely in Q2, but performance was held back by energy outages relating to the cyclone Ramal and increased supplementary duty. EBITDA grew only by 1.5% due to a bit of a catch-up effect on cost inflation in Pakistan, following two years of high price growth in the country. In Bangladesh, full effect of lower energy subsidies in Q1 and increased costs relating to the solid supply growth of 2.3 million weighted on EBITDA. As to our associated companies, which we report with one quarter lag, we were quite pleased with True, which saw continued strong effects from its synergy and integration efforts, as well as a nice return to top-line growth in Q1. With EBITDA growth of 21%, I see True as well-placed to deliver on its ambitious full-year and medium-term goals. For Cellcom Digi, the dividend continues to be paid on a quarterly basis. As for performance, we expect the company to work actively on revenue growth and get improving net benefits of the synergies post-integration costs going forward. Next, let me highlight the most notable items affecting the profit and loss statement, as well as our balance sheet and cash flows. Looking at the P&L, we have a quite clean quarter with only a few items to comment on. The EBITDA before other income and expenses landed at 8.8 billion in Q2. On the net financial income and expense line, we have a loss of 0.4 billion this quarter. This was positively impacted by a change in the fair value of the funding arrangement related to the indirect part of our investment in True Corporation, which had a strong share price development in the quarter. For the same reason, we saw an impairment on the second quarter last year, which was also affected by interest costs related to the legal disputes in Bangladesh. Earnings per share came in at 1.83 kroner this quarter, which is more than three times higher than for the comparable period last year, when EPS was unusually low. With our Nordic transformation and synergy benefits in our Asian associates set to have significant effect over time, we continue working to improve also this metric going forward. We generated free cash flow of 5.5 billion in the first half of the year. Rough 2.2 billion in the second quarter. Although we will still see variations between quarters also going forward, we continue to work to obtain a more balanced cash flow profile through the year. As we talked about last time, we have seasonally higher interest payments in Q2 and Q4 and lower in the two other quarters. On the working capital side, we saw a 0.8 billion improvement in the quarter, with around a quarter of this coming from third-party handset financing and some net structural improvements. But the majority is other timing effects, with some major payments happening in July rather than June. We also saw later than usual CapEx payments, where there was a similar phasing into Q3. Of course, it's hard to know precisely how much, as in theory there could be similar effects towards the end of Q3. On Spectrum, we paid 0.5 billion in Pakistan, and some smaller payments in Bangladesh and Denmark. There was a minority leakage of 0.7 billion in Bangladesh, as we repatriated about 50% of the 2023 net profits as dividends in Q2. Note that for Q3, Grameen Fund has declared interim dividend of close to 100% of its net profit for the first half of 2024. This will cause a total cash outflow of 1 billion in the third quarter. This sums up to the total of 2.2 billion in free cash flow. The balance sheet of the group remains strong, with 83 billion in net interest-bearing debt and a net leverage ratio of 2.3 times. Leverage was impacted by the payment of 6.9 billion kroner in dividend and the completion of the 2023 share buyback program. We bought back the government's portion amounting to 1.9 billion kroner and canceled 31 million shares. On the other hand, we saw favorable FX impact of 2.3 billion kroner on the net debt due to NOC strengthening quarter over quarter and the 2.2 billion free cash flow generation we talked about. As always, macro, FX and seasonality factors can lead to a net leverage fluctuations between quarters, including to a level above the leverage range as happened in Q2 last year. This brings us to the financial outlook. After a solid first half, we remained confident in our overall outlook. Based on service revenue growth of 4.5% for the full period, we slightly raised our 2024 service revenue outlook to low to mid single digit growth from low single digits previously. This being said, we do expect a continued tapering of service revenue growth in the Nordics, with lower year over year numbers in the second half as we meet tougher comparables. We reconfirmed the other elements of the 2024 outlook, as well as the mid-term financial ambition that we provided at the Capital Markets Day almost two years back. We continue to expect mid-single-digit EBITDA growth for the Group, despite continued headwinds in AMP, as we expect performance in Grameen Fund to improve in the second half. On free cash flow, we retrade the 9 to 10 billion target. This despite the announced interim dividends in Grameenphone that I mentioned earlier, where we repatriate dividends early, leading to a near one billion kroner minority leakage that we did not have last year and which was not in the original outlook assumptions. With that, I hand over back to you, Sigve, for some concluding remarks.

Yeah, thank you, Casper. And I will just would like to conclude with saying three things. First, we continue to deliver constantly in line with our strategy. And our operational and financial performance is the proof point that our strategy really works. And based on this, we also continue to deliver on both our growth ambition and the ambition of increased cash flow. Second, Despite changes in management, the whole organization is systematically working to deliver on our strategy and to meet our financial targets. This is also backed by our board of directors. And thirdly, we have over the nine last years worked successfully on transforming Telenor for the future. I think it's fair to say that we have a solid track record for CapEx discipline and OpEx reduction. And the ongoing Nordic transformation is another proof point or focused approach and execution capabilities. This is now also coupled with a continued top line growth in the Nordics, which is a solid foundation for a stronger company with a better customer experiences and services and a significant leaner cost structure. So with that, Kasper, I think we are ready for questions. So operator, please let in the first question.

Sure, thank you. If you would like to ask a question or make contribution to this call, please press TAR1 on your telephone keypad. Please limit yourself to one question and follow up question for clarification. We will take the first question from line Andrew Lee from Goldman Sachs. The line is open now, please go ahead.

Good morning, everyone. And just wanted to offer our condolences for Jorgen. He is really respected by all of the financial community. So just wanted to send our condolences to all of you at Telenor. I had a question and a follow-up. Just a question, Sigvor, on your comments towards the end there that you continue to execute on the strategy of the company. And obviously, that's borne fruit in results today. But one key question remains around where you go with your Asian ownership. And you've obviously talked about looking to find partners and to do different things in terms of your ownership structure there. I wonder if that's still an ambition that you could shift that ownership position within 2024? And just as a follow-up question, obviously, you've adjusted your free cash flow guidance this year, still the same range, but you've included a Bangladeshi cash outflow within that. Given consensus still clearly doesn't buy into the £13 billion free cash flow guide for 2025, are there any other kind of one-offs or puts and takes in terms of risk factors to that free cash flow that the market should be aware of, similar to your Bangladeshi cash repatriation? Thank you.

Yeah, let me start with thanking you for your concern and condolences. He will be dearly missed, Jørgen, as a friend and a colleague. Let me try to address the first one, and then you can take the cash flow question, Kasper. Well, we think we our main focus in Asia now is to deliver on the synergy ambitions we have in Malaysia and in Thailand and then to to finalize the exit in Pakistan. In addition, as I said, to play in the data growth we see in Bangladesh. So so that is what we are focusing on now. But as we also talked about, we are also looking for structures in Asia which can increase our optionality is going forward. So we continue to have dialogues with the potential partners that we can combine our assets together with. We are also looking at the potential of bringing in partners to what we have ourselves. This could potentially lead into an IPO in Asia going forward to increase the optionality for us in the years to come. That is not stopping up, and I'm spending quite a significant time on that myself. But as you know, this takes time to figure out what is the right value creation for us. So I don't have any more updates on that, but you will be the first one to know when we have something more concrete.

Yes, thanks. As to the cash flow, we are maintaining the cash flow outlook for the year despite this one billion additional leakage to minorities in Bangladesh. Seeing the five and a half billion we have now year to date in cash flow, we are obviously much more comfortable with the outlook for the year. We believe we have sufficient momentum to reach that full year target. But also in 2025, I think we have a fairly good line of sight into the ambition of having a dividend coverage in 2025. It's really three key elements to that. It's the CapEx ambition that we have been very explicit about on reducing the Nordic CapEx by 2 billion into next year. It's really about maintaining the momentum that we see in the Nordics, both on top line, but also with the transformation effects that Sigve talked about. but also continued EBITDA growth in the Asian entities. And then, as also Sigve mentioned, we have the dividends coming through, which will be another important element into the 2025 cash flow.

Thank you.

Thank you. We will take the next question from line C from Citi. The line is open now. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. My question is really focused on Norway. I think at the beginning of this year, you indicated that when we look at Norway, we should expect more nuanced growth, especially coming to EBITDA. But I think year-to-date, you do show like 2% to 3% EBITDA growth for the first half. I just wonder if you can... elaborate why Norway is performing better, and they do expect this kind of performance to continue for the rest of this year. And also, I want just a small follow-up on the free cash flow guidance. I think the free cash flow guidance in Q1 results, you mentioned that you expect that to compensate the 500 million outflows in Pakistan spectrum, but which could actually recoup once you sell the business. But now with you, with potentially the Pakistan sales could move to first half of 2025. I'm just wondering how should we think about the impact on your free cash flow guidance, this 500 million. Thank you.

I think we do the same. I take the first one and you take the cash flow. I'm very pleased with the performance in our Norwegian business units. They are doing exactly what we planned to do when the year started, which is twofold. One is to continue to grow revenue on the more for more concept. We really now see that not only we are differentiating ourselves on the network quality, we also do it when it comes to security. And we have built up a position here where we can play on both to strength. And that's why we are then moving prices up, but at the same time giving customers more. And we did that in the second quarter as well, both in the main brand, but also in Talkmore, which is the more price sensitive market that we have. At the same time, we are transforming the business. And that's why you see that we continue to take out cost. So that's a combination of those two things that you will now see into the first quarter, second quarter, and I expect to continue in the quarters to come.

Good. The cash flow question. If I understood correctly, the question was about the impact from Pakistan into the target for the year. As we have said before, the cash flow contribution from Pakistan is included in the 24-4 guidance. That's part of the 9-10 that we have indicated. For 2025, as I think you also said before, the contribution from Pakistan is fairly limited. The closing of the transaction will not make a lot of difference to what we have communicated previously in terms of the 2025 cash flow.

Okay, please, next one.

Thank you. We will take the next question from line Nikio from Bernstein. The line is open now. Please go ahead.

Morning, everybody. Just again on the cash flow, if possible, I'm surprised you've not raised the cash flow guidance for the full year. You've done, I mean, your guidance at the moment implies about 4 billion for the second half versus 9 billion last year. And I understand the point about the Bangladesh dividend. But at the same time, that's quite a big gap. So could you help us a little bit with the effects on things like timing with tax, working cap and the capex into third and fourth quarter, just to explain that big gap to last year, please?

Thank you. Take it to Sigve. Let me point to some elements. As we said, we have already seen 5.5 billion in the first half of this year. That is significantly up from the same period last year. As both me and Sigve said, we have been focused on this year having a more balanced profile of the cash flow during the year. That's one important element. Then I also mentioned some of the timing effects on both CapEx and working capital. We see fairly significant effects of that in the first half. We believe that will be face into the second half, both in terms of working capital and also CapEx being more heavy in the second half than the first half. Then there are some smaller also items both on lease payments and tax payments more at the back end of the year compared to the first half.

Let me just add one comment to what Kasper said. I appreciate all the cash flow questions here because that is exactly what we are focusing on with our business units as well. Cash flow is what we want to have back from Asia, and cash flow is what we are asking our Nordic business units to do as well. So the focus in the company has really shifted from revenue, EBITDA, down to the cash flow part in the P&L. So it's good that that is realized.

Sorry to push you on the numbers, if possible, but I think you've mentioned about half a billion of CapEx timing, I think, into Q3, possibly, if I've not misunderstood that. We've got a billion from... the Bangladesh divvy. What's the effect on tax and working cap as well for the second half? Because it looks like tax was very low.

for um second quarter and also the work that you've mentioned working capital so could you maybe give us a little bit of an idea of the um the size of those numbers please yes just to add a bit on on the capex part so what i said was that there is some timing effects from from the first half that will go into q3 but also the fact that we are still maintaining the 17 capital sales in in nordics means that will be more capex booked and paid already also in in second half, in addition to some of these time effects, as I mentioned, for the first half. That's also an important element which will wait on the cash flow in the second half. I won't put any precise numbers to the tax and lease payments, but what I can say is that there will be slightly more of these payments in the second half than the first half.

Okay. Thanks very much.

Thank you. We will take the next question from line Jakob Lewstone from BNPX in Paribas. The line is open now. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking the question. I had a question on your Nordic guidance. You raised your revenue guidance from low single digit to mid single digit. And you also said during the call that you expect OPEX to be down this year versus your previous expectation of slacks. My question is, why didn't you change the EBITDA guidance for the Nordic business?

Thank you. What you said on the Nordics is that on the EBITDA, we maintain the mid single-digit guidance. That's still what we believe is the outcome. We'll probably be more precise on that later in the year. But, I mean, given, you know, also the trends that we see on revenues, as you said, coming slightly down in the second half, but then supported by the OPEX effects that we talked about, we are, you know, even more comfortable now with that mid-single-digit range on the EBITDA.

Is it fair to say you were maybe at the low end and recently moved to the high end? Is that kind of the way to think about it?

Sorry, I didn't get that.

So, I mean, just mechanically, the fact that you haven't changed the guidance, does that just mean that you're a kind of bottom end of mid-single digit and you've kind of moved up? Is that the way to interpret it?

Yeah, I want guide within the range. So I think, you know, that's the mid-single digit range is where we see the outcome. And then we'll just have to come back later in the year with a more precise aspect on that. Okay, fair enough. Thanks.

Thank you. We will take the next question from line RJ Soni from JP Morgan. The line is open now. Please go ahead.

Hi there. Thanks for taking the question. I just had a quick one on the Nordics and specifically Norway. So obviously outside Norway, I think we've seen pretty good trends, pretty stable. I think within Norway, there is maybe a slight slowdown in the service revenue and EBITDA growth in Q2. And they've both been kind of accelerating nicely over the last year. So You know, what drove this maybe changing momentum in Q2? And should we expect these growth rates to kind of maintain this level within Norway specifically? Thank you.

I think I can address that one. Most of the change in the Q2 versus the earlier quarters is driven by IoT revenues. If you look at the mobile revenues as such, we had a very healthy ARPU growth in the main brand. We also are quite happy with how our TalkMore companies are doing in the lower brand. I don't see any change in competition landscape here. It is quite competitive in the enterprise segment. SME, we are also doing quite well with RPO growth. But other than that, I don't see that that is changing a lot. And the 6% RPO growth in the mobile, I think we're very pleased by that. So it's mainly explained actually with the IoT revenues that changed during the quarter.

Yeah, that makes sense. And then just on that mobile, I think previously you've mentioned you're doing a forced migration to unlimited bundles, and you've obviously talked about security quite a lot. So how is that forced migration going? Because I think previously you said there's been a pretty benign impact on your churn. So do you continue to see those trends in Q2?

Yes, we did a quite large forced migration in Q2. I think we migrated 800,000 customers in that range. That went even better than what we planned for. So we see again that our customers are appreciating the security and the network position we have in the market. We also did some price increases in our low-end segment, in the talk market segment, which is also appreciated by our customers. But of course, in the price-sensitive segment, there is a competition, has been, is, and will be. So we need to stay competitive there as well.

Thank you very much.

Thank you. We will take the next question from Usman Dazi from Barenbeck. The line is open now. Please go ahead.

Well, thank you very much for the opportunity. I just wanted to ask with regards to the two pieces of potentially regulatory upside for you in Norway, one related to the regulation of computing fiber networks, and then the second one on the kind of equalization of lease charges on the towers. I was just wondering if you're in a position to perhaps give an update on, you know, what's happening there and then the financial upside, you know, what timeframe would you expect this to materialize? Thank you.

On the tower charging, I don't have any upside, and that is going to happen. As I've said before, I don't really know how that is playing out. It's either playing out that we can start charging higher rental prices when people are using our towers, or that we will be charged lower when we are using others. Either way, it's going to be positive for us, but the financial impact to that, I don't know. On the fiber side, that regulation is also ongoing. It may slip into the first quarter next year. I think the original timeline was end of this year, but it could take some more months. And now we are looking at what does that really mean when it comes to could it reduce overbuilt out in more remote areas? and also what is the opportunity for us then to sell our products on other fibers. But we don't have any financial impact on that. We are preparing ourselves for what it really means.

Thank you.

Thank you. It appears no further question at this time. I'll hand it back over to your host for closing remarks.

Okay, then I think we are through, Kasper. A good first quarter. Thank you. And thanks to all of you for listening in and also for good questions.

Thank you.