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Good morning and welcome to TGS Q3 2025 presentation. My name is Baris Denberg, Vice President, Investor Relations and Business Intelligence in TGS. Today's presentation will be given by CEO Christian Johansen and CFO Sven-Better Larsen. Before we start, I would like to draw your attention to the questionnaire statement showing on the screen and available in today's earnings release and presentation. For those of you on the webcast, you can start typing in questions during the presentation, and we will address those after management's concluding remarks. So with that, I give the word to you, Christian.

Thank you, Bård, and welcome, everyone. So I'll start with the Q3 highlights. And before I go through the numbers, I just want to say I'm very pleased that we have a solid recovery after a very weak Q2. And I want to thank all our employees for pursuing sales opportunities aggressively in a challenging market and at the same time being extremely focused on our cost base, which you will see from the numbers that we have a solid beat on EBITDA and EBIT due to lower cost of the quarter. So starting with the numbers on the top line, we had revenues of $388 million. That's compares to 308 in the second quarter of this year. So sequentially, that's a 26% increase. As I said, our EBITDA was strong at $242 million. That's a 62% profit margin. And again, driven by a very strong cost focus of the organization. We had a Q3 EBIT of $105 million. So it's the first time in several quarters that we're over $100 million in EBITs and that represents a 27% profit margin. We had an order inflow of $436 million, and that takes our total order backlog of $473 million at the end of Q3. Our cash flow was strong and that means that with a free cash flow of 81 million dollars and 30 million dollars dividend payment we managed to reduce a net debt from 432 million dollars or down to 432 million dollars and this compares to 479 million dollars in Q2 of 2025. maintaining our dividend of 0.155 per share and we have also adjusted our capex guidance down so that's been reduced to 110 million dollars versus previously 135 million dollars so overall uh strong numbers and uh strong slightly stronger than we expected for q3 which is always good after as i said a very disappointing q2 Well, the business update, and I'm not going to cover all the projects that we had in the quarter, but what you can see here is that Q3 is usually dominated by a strong North Sea season. So we have almost half of our assets working in the North Sea during the summer season and into Q3. You see we had two vessels in Brazil, and we're probably going to keep vessels in Brazil for the time being due to strong interest for data acquisition and even our existing data library. We also have OBN operations, so two OBN operations in the US Gulf. And then you see we have one vessel in Egypt and one vessel in India during Q3 of 2025. I also covered the business units, so starting with multi-client. We had multi-client sales of $226 million in the quarter. That compares to $277 million in Q3 of 2024. And the difference there is pretty much explained by higher transfer fees in Q3 last year than we had in Q3 this year. Multi-client investments of 86 this quarter compared to 129 in the same quarter of last year. And again, that corresponds to a sales to investment for the last 12 months of 2.1. That's similar to what we had last year. But again, it's above the historical average of about 1.9. So very pleased about continued strong sales to investments of our multi-client data. terms of new awards and key projects that we were executing in q3 we had palma phase two offshore brazil this is a streamer survey in the equatorial margin area and then we had another project in the same area called megabar extension phase one and it was it was a pleasure for us and for tgs petrobras and brazil to see that petrobras finally got environmental approval to start drilling in this area. And this is an area where TGS has been acquiring lots of data over the past 12 to 18 months. So again, extremely excited to see that things are moving on. And for those of you who remember the last lease sale in Brazil, you also saw companies such as Chevron and Exxon picking up blocks in that area. So this is probably one of the last frontiers and one of the most exciting frontiers in Brazil, for sure. So great interest from clients on those surveys that we've been carrying out for yeah over the past 18 months then last but not least we had a project called amendment west one in the gulf of america in the quarter so this is an ultra long offset obn survey over legacy streaming data and this is a tgs only project with no partners we move on to the historical multi-client performance just to put the quarter in the perspective and this looks at last 12 months sale is a light blue and then dark blue is the investment and then the line there the great gray line is last 12 months sales over investments and you see it's coming up from about 1.9 in the previous quarter to about 2.1 now so really where we want to be in terms of of profitability of our multi-client business, which historically has been yielding returns of somewhere between 1.9 and 2.0. Our internal goal when we start a new multi-client project is always around two. Marine data acquisition, relatively weak quarter as we expected, and we guided the market after Q2 that Q3 would be relatively low in terms of activity level. And then we came in slightly above what we expected. We had contract revenues for OBM of $87 million versus $127 million last year. Our streamer contract revenues in the quarter were 127 and we had total gross revenues of 215. And as you see, a strong EBITDA margin of about 36% for our assets in Q3. In terms of new awards and key projects executed during the quarter, we were awarded a streamer contract in the Mediterranean, as you all know, commenced acquisition of that in Q3. And then we have secured a large streamer contract offshore Indonesia in the quarter. This is scheduled to start in Q4. has a duration of eight months. It's a big contract. And again, it's mostly 3D, but the last month of the eight months is going to be a 4D over some existing production. We've also been awarded a streamer acquisition contract in Africa. So this is a Q4 start, and it has a duration of about 50 days with some options to extend. And then we have an OBN contract in the Gulf of America. This is also due to commence in Q4, and it has a duration of four and a half months, a quite large contract for our OBN crew in the Gulf of America. In terms of our new energy solutions business, we had contract revenues of $18 million. It's up from 16 in the same quarter of last year. Multi-client revenues of five versus three last year. So total revenues of 23, which is up from 19 in Q3 of 2024. And again, as with the other business units, a stronger EBITDA margin year on year as compared to Q3 of 2024. We've been awarded a UHR 3D contract offshore Norway. This commenced acquisition in early July, and we were acquiring that data going into Q3. We acquired also a CCS contract offshore Norway, and then we continue our collaboration with Equinor through our subsidiary Predictor, through something called Predictor Data Gateway Solution, and this is delivered to Equinor's Empire Wind project. Also happy to see that imaging and technology continues the strong growth with good margins. So on the gross imaging revenues were 32 versus 26 last year. But if you look at the external imaging revenues, they're about 20. It's a doubling of revenues compared to last year. And you've seen that we've been on that kind of growth track for quite some time. We have a Yeah, $20 million this quarter. We're going to be slightly short of 80 for the year. And again, next year, our goal is for imaging to be above $100 million in external revenues with strong EBITDA margins. So we continue to take market share in the imaging and technology space. And part of the reason for that is a strong strategic focus on the external market. TGS used to be more focused on the internal market and processing of multi-client projects. But now we made a strategic choice that we're going to go after the external imaging market and you see the results of that with significant growth and good margins. We see a significant reduction of HPC cost from added scale. So TGS is a big customer of the big cloud compute providers such as Google, AWS, etc. And we see obviously great benefits and synergies from the combination of TGS and PGS in that regard. So again, as I said, we expect continued growth in external imaging revenues, and you've already seen a substantial margin improvement on the imaging side. With that, I'm going to hand it over to Sven Börre, and then I will be back talking about the outlook shortly. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Christian. Good morning, everyone. It's always a pleasure to report strong financial numbers. So although... The revenue numbers are not that strong in a historical perspective, highlighting the upside potential in the longer term. They are quite strong in a relative perspective and relative to where we've been, particularly in Q2, of course. But more importantly, we have very strong performance on all other parameters, including cost and cash flow parameters. So we are very, very pleased about that. Let me take you quickly through the numbers. On the revenue side, we came in at $388 million. That consisted of $217 million of multi-client revenues. and $171 million of contract revenues. The multi-client revenues were particularly strong in the quarter, mainly driven by strong sales from the vintage library. The pre-funding of new projects were actually lower this quarter than we have seen in some of the previous quarters. So library sales very strong in the quarter. Then going to net operating expenses, I'll go into more detail on that on a later page here. So let me just mention that the net operating expenses were $147 million versus $221 million in the same quarter of last year. So a significant reduction there, of course. Depreciation and amortization. Depreciation 61 million dollars continues to be reasonably stable around plus minus 60 million dollars as you can see on a quarterly basis. Amortization was quite low in the quarter. The straight line amortization is stable whereas the The accelerated amortization is quite low in the quarter. That's partially explained by the lower pre-funding rate, as I talked about, and also, of course, explained by the mix of the different types of projects that we have in the portfolio right now. This gave us an EBIT of 105 million dollars in this quarter, corresponding to an EBIT margin of 27%, slightly ahead of the operating result in the same quarter of last year, despite having significantly higher revenues last year. As I promised, I'll go in more detail through the cost base and how the cost has developed during the quarter and how it is likely to develop going forward. On the chart here on the left hand side you see Q3 specifically, this Q3 compared to the Q3 of 2024. So as you can see on the left hand bar in both those two charts you see the gross operating expenses and you can see it's at 217 million dollars is significantly down compared to the 289 we had last year. The decline is particularly visible obviously on cost of sales and it has to do with several factors first of all of course we have gone through as we have talked about in in previous presentations as well we've gone through quite a bit of efficiency uh efficiency projects internally and we have realized a lot of cost synergies of course and and also also after the integration project has been more or less completed we have continued to look at different efficiency gains and we've been quite successful in that. But I also have to admit it's also of course partially related to lower activity, particularly on the OBN side where utilization of the crews that we got is a bit lower in this Q3 relative to the Q3 of last year. And finally, there is also some call it non-recurring items in the quarter, which reduce the cost of sales by a little bit more than $10 million. It's not genuinely non-recurring items. They are non-recurring in this quarter, but most of it is a reversal of costs that have been expensed previously. So over time, it's not a non-recurring cost, but in this particular quarter, it is non-recurring. And as you can see, if you compare to the same parameters of last year, we are significantly down, even when adjusting for the one-off costs we had related to the merger integration process in last year. So you see that last year we had $162 million of cost of sales. There were no merger integration costs in that number. On personnel costs, we had $95 million where we had $11 million approximately of merger integration related costs. So the underlying cost in that quarter were $84 million, still well above the 69 we have in this quarter. And on other operating costs, we had approximately $5 million or $6 million of merger integration related costs. So the underlying cost there was 25 in the previous quarter. So we're actually a little bit up this quarter compared to last quarter on an underlying basis. And that has to do with compute. We're using more high performance compute resources now than we did last year. And that obviously has to do with higher imaging activity and more use of AI and machine learning and algorithms that require more high performance computing. And that's a deliberate development, of course. If you look at the right hand chart or the right hand side of the page, you see a chart showing the cost development on a last 12 month basis over time here. And as you can see, the last 12 months as of end of Q3, we had $982 million of gross cost. Our guidance remained firm at around $950 million for a year. uh as a whole so you see the trend there we have come significantly down and we expect to come further down in when we report uh when we report q3 q q4 in fact we we if anything we expect to be below 950 and and and not above so we're quite happy with the development on the cost side and it can also see the evolution of our guidance through the air on on the right hand side of the of the chart there with the dark where we've done basically $100 million relative to the original gross cost guidance. So we've done a lot on the cost side, which is obviously helping us quite a bit in terms of delivering a strong EBITDA in this quarter. Looking at the profit and loss statement, we had 388 million dollars of total revenues consisting of 217 million dollars of multi-client revenues and 171 of contract revenues. I've talked about cost of sales, personnel cost and other operating costs, which already this gave us an EBITDA of 242 compared to 280 in the same quarter of last year. Straight line amortization was $60.5 million, where it's roughly where it has been on the previous quarters. As I mentioned, accelerated amortization quite low this quarter. related to the mix of projects we were doing and a lower pre-funding rate we had a small impairment on one of the multi-client projects that we do that's not not uncommon as you can see we had something similar in the in the in the same quarter of last year And depreciation of 61, which gave us this operating profit of $105 million. We had financial income of 4.3, same level as last year. We had financial expenses of 19.4, which is slightly above last year, which may surprise people because we did the refinancing that reduced the interest costs quite significantly in Q4 of last year. However, bear in mind that we took a lot of that interest saving in the PPA. So we wrote up the PGS debt in the PPA, which reduced the interest charge in the PNL already ahead of the refinancing. So that's the main explanation for that, call it not so intuitive development. And this gave us a result before taxes of $85 million compared to $97 million in the same quarter of last year. Cash flow, as Christian alluded to, quite strong in the quarter. We had cash flow from operations of 242 in the quarter. Almost the same level as the 265 we had last year when you subtract the multi-client investment and capex and adjust for timing and working capital movements. We had cash flow from investment activities negative by 94. million dollars compared to 59 million dollars in the same quarter of last year and then if you then subtract Cash flow items related to financing of $97 million. We end up with a net change in cash and cash equivalents of $50 million in this quarter compared to $83 million in the same quarter of last year. So looking at cash flow in a slightly different way, looking at the evolution of our net debt, You can see that we reduced that quite significantly in this quarter. So the cash flow before dividend, which is a key measure that we are looking at internally, was $77 million in this quarter. We paid the dividend of 30, which helped us reduce net debt from 479 to 432 at the end of the quarter. This is to be compared with a net debt target of 250 to 350 million dollars. That's the range we're aiming at and we're getting down there. It takes a little bit longer time than we initially planned for and that has to do with a market development but we're still firm in our belief that we will get there in in due course let me also mention that in q4 you should expect uh somewhat negative development in in networking capital items so it's uh it's a seasonal thing and and so you you shouldn't expect the the cash flow after after networking capital adjustments to be as strong in in in q4 Balance sheet, not many significant developments worth mentioning here. The only thing I'm going to mention is the goodwill. You can see that it's down by $4 million. That has to do with PPA adjustments that we did. So when you do an acquisition, as we did with PGS, you can do PPA adjustments up until 12 months after the acquisition closed. And what we have done here is that we have increased our long-term receivables by 4 million and reduced the goodwill by a corresponding number. And apart from that, the balance sheet, of course, remains very strong and even stronger than it was at the end of Q2, given the net debt development. This allows us to continue to pay a dividend of 15 and a half US cent per share, corresponding to 1.56 crowns per share in this quarter. The X date is one week from now on the 30th of October, and we will pay the dividend to the shareholders on the 13th of November. So by that, I'll hand the word back to you, Christian.

Thank you, Sven. And we're going to touch on the outlook. And I'll start with a slide that we find very interesting, but it's a bit complicated. challenging to understand, so I'll take you through it very slowly. If you start on the left-hand side, you see the chart there. You see the light gray color shows the current decline curve. So it's debated whether it's 8%, as we show here, and these are numbers from IEA, or whether it's 15%, which is Exxon's number that they publicly state that the real decline curve is. but anyway if you use eight percent eight percent is then equivalent to losing more than the current production from brazil and norway every year for the next 10 years it's quite steep even at even at eight percent but then in order to satisfy demand going forward then the big question is how much do we need to invest and how much does the the emp sector need to invest So if I take you to the right hand side and you go all the way to 2025, you see that we as an industry or the E&P industry globally invests around $600 billion in capex. That's a total capex of the entire industry. And that's been pretty much the average. It's just right now it's about 575, but it's been 600 pretty much on average for the past three or four years. If you take that information, the 600 billion, and you take it back again to the left-hand side, you see that 600 billion is the second blue color from the top. So that's where it's going to take us in terms of continuing to invest at today's level, which basically is flat. It's a flat demand compared to today. So today's or the current investments are probably going to satisfy a flat demand development going forward. But if you think that demand is for oil and gas is going to continue to grow in the future we need to invest more and we actually need to invest probably somewhere around 750 million dollars because that takes us up to the expected expected demand going forward So it's a very powerful slide in terms of understanding that today's investment level is not sufficient to satisfy any growth in demand. And I think most of you and most other readers would argue that there will be growth, there will be continued growth in demand. We've seen that and we've been wrong several times. Demand has surprised on the upside and it will continue to do so. So again, today's investment level from the industry is not sufficient in terms of satisfying any demand growth going forward. And that is further backed by the second slide we have. So last week I attended something called Energy Intelligence Forum in London, and I think eight out of the ten, eight CEOs of the ten largest oil companies in the world were there. And I just included some quotes from four of the CEOs that were there and attended the conference. And the first one from Darren Woods who said that the old market oversupply is likely to be shorter with demand from emerging economies set to make meeting global energy demand more challenging in the medium to longer term. I mean, Nasser was very clear that we had a decade where people didn't explore. It's going to have an impact. If it doesn't happen, there will be a supply crunch. And then Patrick Pojan from Total Energies. This non-OPEC supply, which today is impacting the market from Brazil, Guiana and shale oil will plateau. There is a limit to this growth. And then finally, Vicky Holub from Oxy said that discoveries have gone way down. Investment in exploration has gone way down, but it's not just investment that's a problem. We just aren't finding big resources anymore. So very much backing the statement that we had on the first slide, that the industry needs to invest more if you believe in demand growth for oil and gas. And I think most of us are now convinced that there will be continued growth in demand for both oil and gas. Going more to the micro level in terms of streamer contract tenders, it's down and it's down for two reasons, mainly the fact that there's been quite a few awards recently. So TGS has been awarded a couple of streamer contracts quite recently. And also on the OBN side, we have announced two contracts recently. But the market is not great. There is nothing that indicates that 2026 is going to be a great year for contract tenders. I have to be honest and state that. But keep in mind that this does not include multi clients. And we have big projects in Brazil. As I said, we have two vessels in Brazil as we speak, probably going to keep those two vessels there for the time being. We see a great uptick in activity in Africa in terms of multi-client. So the fact that multi-client is not part of this means that this slide gives a very skewed picture in terms of how the market for TGS actually is. So I feel like with the recent increase you've seen in our order backlog, which is mainly and very much driven by multi-client pre-funding, I think we see a future that is far brighter than this trend. slide will will indicate. On the OBN market development, 2025 will be back to 2023 level in terms of activities or total revenues for this sector or segment. And that is down from 2024. So that significant growth trajectory that we saw in three years that has stopped and it's come down slightly. This is partly due to some big projects in Brazil that have been awarded, but they have not been acquired yet. So they haven't started yet. and these are big projects that tgs was unsuccessful in in winning and some smaller competitors won big projects in brazil that again has not yet started so we'll wish them good luck on that In terms of the guidance for 2025, obviously we're entering the last quarter of the year, so our multi-client investments, we keep our guidance of $425 to $475 million. We're probably going to be in that kind of mid-range of that investment guidance. We're going to have approximately 70% of the investment expected to be acquired with our own capacity. In terms of CapEx, as we've said a couple of times today, we're reducing our CapEx guidance from $135 million to $110 million. And on the gross operating cost, we again target $950 million for the year. So that's unchanged from the previous quarter. In terms of utilization, we expect improved utilization year on year of our 3D streamer fleet. And again, partly helped by multi-client. And then we expect lower OBN acquisition activity, which you have seen, especially over the past quarter or so. So that will be down compared to 2024. to give you slightly more flavor on that so we'll start with the order backlog and inflow so again as you see the order inflow was strong this quarter at 430 or above 430 million dollars and that leads to a backlog of 473 million dollars again very weak numbers in Q2 this year, but a relatively solid comeback in Q3, where you see quite significant growth in the order inflow with the resulting increase in the total order backlog. And then you see on the right hand side, you see the pie charts and you're obviously familiar to that. And it gives you some guidance in terms of expected timing or recognizing this backlog as revenues. We also provide you with a summary of our booked positions. So basically, this is where our fleet and OBN crews are booked for the next two quarters. So you see on the streamer side, you see that we have about 16 months booked for Q4. And you see the composition of contract versus multi-client. And again, as I alluded to, you see more multi-client there than then contract. And again, if I look into the 2026, that's probably going to be the case, it's going to be more than 50%, as we can tell today, on multi client because of good pre funding and a healthy backlog in terms of some of our big multi client projects, particularly in Brazil. And then on the OBM schedule, you see that we're just short of two crews working for Q4, and it's going to be approximately the same for Q1. And it's pretty much one crew for multi-client and one crew for contract, and it's close to being fully utilized for one quarter. In terms of geomarkets, we're going to have contract work for our streamer fleet in Africa, Asia, and then multi-client in Brazil. For the OBM, we're going to have contract work in Gulf of America, and we're also going to have one crew working multi-client in the Gulf of America. We expect total multi-client investments in Q4 of $120 million and utilization, as I said, on the left-hand side, you see pretty much how it's going to be for the next quarter. And then obviously there is still time to book more capacity for Q1 of 2026. So with that, I'm ready to summarize presentations. Again, pleased to announce solid performance on financial key figures. We had net debt reduced to $432 million based on a free cash flow of about $80 million and $30 million paid in dividends. We've been very disciplined in terms of cash outflow, meaning that we're reducing our 2025 capex by $25 million. And this has been reduced several times during the year. So the latest number now is about $110 million for the full year. Obviously, the short-term market development is sensitive to oil price. But the long-term market outlook, as you've seen from this presentation, remains very positive. And we're maintaining a dividend of 0.155 per share. With that, I want to bring Sven up here, and the board is going to take us through some Q&As, and we'll take it from there. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Christian. We have a nice audience here in Oslo, so we can start with questions from the audience. Yes, John?

Yeah. May I ask a little bit of detail on Sven Bøhrer on the OPEX? You mentioned that the gross OPEX is 217. What's 217 in Q3? And if I add the 10 that you mentioned as non-recurring, it would be 227. But what did you say, were there any merger costs included in that 227?

No. The murder costs I talked about were just for the comparable 24 number.

And going forward, what's the running quarterly cost base in TGS? Is it 227?

I mean, we've guided for 950.

That includes higher up X in the first quarters. Was it running on the quarter?

Yeah, it's a bit lower than that. And it will depend a little bit on the activity level. But if you take a little bit lower than 950 and divide by four, you should be at an approximately right level. It's not too far away from 227 then? No, it should be reasonably representative.

Thank you. And then a question on multi-client sales in the quarter. Do you want to specify or give an indication of the transfer fee? Did you book a transfer fee for the Chevron Hest deal in Q3?

We're not allowed to be specific on which transfer fees we booked, but I think the market has been pretty right in terms of there were a big transfer fee this quarter, and that was related to one transaction. We probably had two or three. We had transfer fees in every given quarter, but there was one that was particularly large. I think the market has speculated that in total we had transfer fees around 25-30 million dollars, so that's pretty much where it was.

That means that other late sales were probably not too bad either. I assume one of the key drivers in Q3 was the US Gulf. The Gulf of America released around in December. Is that correct? And also, more specifically, did you see all the sales that you expect or most of the late sales that you expect in connection with the December round, did they come in Q3? And was there a significant impact of that? Or will you also see it in Q4?

There were a couple of drivers. And number one, you're right. I mean, our late sales was pretty strong regardless of whether you had just for transfer fees or not. And our transfer fees were far lower in q3 this year than they were last year the transit fee was was very high um i think one driver of the of the strong late sales in q3 was a weak late sales in q2 and i think that's a reminder to the market that you know when you look at it particularly late sales but but overall the multi-client performance of tgs you probably have to look at it in a slightly longer perspective. So if you look at the average of Q2 and Q3, you're more back to normalized level and Q2 was embarrassingly low and Q3 is back where we should be. So that was one driver is that Q2 was very low. Transfer fees, we've been discussing that. And the third one, yes, we had impact from the lease sale in the US gone that is coming up in Q4. Was that significant? Not really. I mean, we're talking 10 to 20 rather than 40 to 60, right? Is there more to be sold? Absolutely. But we don't know when that's going to happen and we don't know if it's going to happen. I mean, it's obviously uncertainty around that.

What we can say to add to that is that in the licensing round in 23, most of the sales related to that round happened after the round. So the dynamic around this is a bit uncertain, of course.

And we have talked about that multiple times that the licensing round, particularly in the US, haven't really had the same impact as it used to have. So now we do more of the sales beforehand. So we have much higher pre-funding of the surveys that we do in the US gone today than we used to have historically. And then as Sven-Boris said, we had some of our sales after the round is taking place rather than lining up for the licensing round. So it's probably more evenly distributed now than it used to be. In the past, it was always you shopped without... pre-funding and then you had a significant kicker before the licensing round and then after that there was nothing.

My final question before I give the word to somebody else. You mentioned that it's too early to expect a great year for contract streamers in 26. What do you think it will take? What kind of oil price levels do we need to see a great year for streamers in seismic?

We've been doing some internal analysis in that regard and looking at the dilemma of an oil company today or an energy company today is that they have this dividend obligations, they have buyback obligations, and then they have capex. And seismic is obviously part of that discretionary capex. And with the oil price dropping from 70 and down to 60, although it's higher today. then you obviously put a lot of strain on that kind of dilemma. So are they going to cut the dividend? Probably not. Are they going to cut back on the buybacks? Potentially, yes. Total has already announced that. Are they going to start spending more on exploration? Well, if you listen to what they say and if you listen to what they told me last week, they are. But we haven't seen it yet. And I think with the current oil price, we should be a bit cautious expecting that to kick off in 2026. So we're planning for a market that is going to continue to be quite challenging in that regard. But saying that, when we talk about the contract market, it is important to say that we should be using at least 50, perhaps up to 70% of our fleet on multi-client projects. And that's where I'm probably more optimistic today than I was three months ago in terms of the backlog that we see building up on the multi-client side. So we're not too concerned about utilization of our fleet in 2026. But obviously, if you look at the contract market per se, it's not great. There is no reason to question that.

and what oil prices needed to change that.

We've been saying that you probably need somewhere between 70 to 75 to see a significant increase in exploration. But again, back to what I heard from the CEOs last week, and the oil price was 60 at the time. They're saying that we've done a terrible job in terms of exploration and we need to get better and we need to spend more. Thank you. Yes, Lukas.

Yeah. You said that Maltic Alliance performed better than what you expected in Q3. So I guess you had a view on the transfer fees. So what exactly was better than what you expected?

You know how it is when you get really beaten up like we did in Q2. You set expectations slightly lower for Q3. And I think that was partly what happened. We pretty much knew the range of the transfer fee at the time. And obviously there are always tough discussions and it goes back and forth in many, many iterations before you end up with a number. But that pretty much came in as we expected. I think the market probably estimated that to be bigger or more significant than it was, but we pretty much came in where we thought we would be.

And what are your expectations related to the licensing round in Brazil?

Yeah, there was one yesterday with five blocks where we had data in most of those areas. And obviously, we see some opportunities related to that. I think the news of the environmental permit to Petrobras is very good for TGS. I mean, this has been the area where we have invested more than anywhere else in the world over the past 18 months. Obviously, we've We've taken some risk on that environmental assessment and obviously it's great to see that that had a positive outcome. So I think that's as specific as I can be.

And your EBITDA margin on the contract business was nicely up. Is that better pricing, lower cost?

Yeah, we probably don't see better pricing. I think that's fair to say. It's not significantly down either, but it's not kind of the right environment to increase pricing, to put it that way. So it's cost control and cost efficiency and obviously also partially these reversals that I talked about in this particular quarter. But that has to be seen over time where where it's basically mostly related to costs that have been charged previously.

And you are cutting your other CapEx guidance with $25 million. What is that?

No, we've been working constantly on our cost base and our cash outflow base, so to speak, during this year. And CapEx obviously has been under a lot of scrutiny to try to work that down. At the same time, we need to invest in the business and we need to be... to be maintaining our fleet well and keep it up to the highest standards and we need to replace streamers. But we have worked on that streamer replacement program, how we can maintain the current streamers in a better manner and keep them longer or push or spend more time on that replacement program than we initially plan for. That's essentially what's doing it. And of course, we are cautious on all other types of cash spending, capex spending for the time being.

There's not a lot of peers to TGS in the streamer space. But if you look at the peer or peers, you will see that our capex is far higher. And it's been a reason for that. But of course, there are things we can do in terms of getting that down. And that's what we've done.

if you break down the 110 million between streamers computing power vessel maintenance and other what almost half is related purely related to streamers thank you yes can i ask on the capex um what should we expect uh

go into 26? Is it fair to assume the same level?

Yeah, we will come back to that when we guide in February. But our ambition is to continue to keep that at a significantly lower level than what we initially guided for this year, of course.

And did I see an offshore wind contract that you're going to do in July? What Western will you use for that? Is Van Gogh still going to be stacked or do you think you'll take that out to do that work?

Yeah, we haven't made that decision. And again, we stacked it and we're going to stack it and keep it stacked until we see improvements in the market. And we have.

six vessels who can do the job if we if we need to but um but that's something we consider at any point of time and we're not ready to to make that decision today and one last technicality about how you allocate your stream of vessels you talked about at least 50 doing multi-client then also maybe up to like 17 what's if you can help us a little bit into 26 what's

It's too early. What I mean by saying that is that we have that flexibility and we're not totally dependent on the contract marketing for our fleet. We should be in a position to use at least 50% to 75% on multi-client. We will guide you on a rolling basis for two quarters going forward, but we're not going to give you any more clarity than that.

Fine. Perfect. Thank you.

Okay, we have a couple of questions from the people on the web. Jørgen Lande in Danske Bank. You mentioned pre-funding was a bit lower. Do you expect pre-funding levels to trend downwards compared to what you have indicated?

It's probably not a trend, but we have had, call it, quite high pre-funding levels over the past quarter, and it's probably... almost unnaturally high for some periods. So I would think that we're, yeah, we think it will be at that 80 to 90% level over time, give or take, but it may vary from quarter to quarter depending on the mix of the different products that we're doing.

It also has a lot to do with how much risk do we want to take in terms of if we believe that we're at the bottom of the cycle and we believe that these CEOs who talk about the need for more exploration, is this the time to go out and do some frontier work with lower pre-funding? I mean, that's discussions that we have with the board at any point of time and similar discussions to what all companies have in terms of are they going to invest more in exploration for the long term? So we have those discussions and that will obviously have an impact on the pre-funding rate, but there's no indication in the market that it's harder to get pre-funding than it's been before. Not at all.

Very good. Then we have a question from Mick Pickup in Barclays. You talk of enhanced multi-client levels, yet consensus that you supplied has investments down in 26 versus 25. This doesn't seem consistent. So without giving guidance, can you talk directionally about 26 multi-client investment levels?

Yeah, I'm not going to do that. But of course, the consensus is not, we don't make consensus, we just collect consensus. So if the consensus is lower in 26, then it's 25. It doesn't necessarily represent what we plan to do. But it's too early for us to say what we're going to invest for 26. We're in that period right now where we're looking at our investment level. I would be very surprised if it differs significantly from what it does this year. And especially on the downside, I would be very disappointed if we see a much lower number.

Next question comes from Ole Martin Redland in Pareto Securities. While order intake was good this quarter, backlog is still at low levels. Based on best expectations, do you assume lower external streamer and OBN revenues in 2026? And will that possibly be offset by higher multi-client investments and revenues?

Yeah, it's too early to say. What we have been saying today is that we have that flexibility and we can do it if we need to. And the beauty of our business model and the beauty about being fully integrated as we are, and we're the only company in our space that can claim that, is that we have the flexibility at any point of time to switch between contracts and multi-client. And, you know, there's been speculations to, you know, our price is down in the contract market, how bad is the contract market, etc. Well, If it is bad and if pricing is down, then we just do multi-client if we can get funding for multi-client projects. And I think we've delivered today and we've shown you today and we even showed you in the past four or five quarters that we generate a return of 2x on a multi-client project. So if pricing is low and if we see that we sacrifice too much on our margins by doing some of those contracts, we don't do that.

And another point to bear in mind, in our multi-client investments in 2025, we still have quite a bit of external investments where we're using external vessels and external providers. Following the merger, it takes a little bit of time to insource everything. So you should probably expect more or less 100% of the capacity that we sourced to be internal in 2026. So even if you, for the sake of argument, assumed flat multi-client investments, you could see higher utilization of our own assets on multi-client.

Okay, then we have another question from Stefan Evgen in D&D Carnegie. Do you have any leads to sign more OBN contract work over the winter season on top of the current booked positions that you disclosed today?

Yeah, I mean, the sales cycles in OBN are longer than Streamr. We like to say they're typically five or six months at least. So that gives you an indication in terms of when you will see new contracts. We have a number of leads. Some of these leads are related to single contracts and some of the leads are related to what we call capacity agreements, bigger long-term agreements with some of our customers. So there are negotiations going on and obviously we're going to We're going to announce that to the market as soon as we have contracts to announce.

We don't have any further questions from the web. Any last questions from the people here in Oslo? If not, that concludes the Q&A session. So I give the word to you, Christian, for your concluding remark.

Thank you very much for your attention today. And again, as I said initially, it was a relief to come back with better numbers than we had in Q2. We were obviously as surprised and disappointed as you were in Q2. And it's good to see not only that we have a revenue growth of 26% compared to the last quarter, but we see a very strong profitability and all key metrics are very positive compared to previous quarters. So I wish you all the best and looking forward to see you at our Q4 presentation. Thank you very much.