Technip Energies Nv

Hello and welcome to TechniAppendage's financial results for full year 2024. On the call today, our CEO, Arnaud Piertan, will discuss our full year performance and business highlights. This will be followed by our CFO, Bruno Weber, who will share more details on our financials. Then Arnaud will come back with the outlook and conclusion. We will then open for questions. Before we start, I would urge you to take note of the forward-looking statements on slide three. I will now pass the call over to Arnaud.

Thank you, Phil, and hello, everyone. Before diving into our results and 2024 highlights, I would like to remind you of who we are at Technip Energies and of our unparalleled value proposition. We are leaders in energy and decarbonization markets, prioritizing safety and innovation, and our 17,000 talents are the cornerstone of our success. We are a technology and engineering powerhouse focused on value creation, expanding and diversifying our portfolio. Our ambitious roadmap through 2028 underscores 10 growth credentials, over €8.6 billion in revenue, over €800 million EBITDA, and a free cash flow conversion between 70% to 85%. We are equipped with a strong balance sheet, generating significant and sustainable free cash flow. As we execute our growth strategy, prioritize capital allocation for dividend growth and value-enhancing investment, we will accelerate value creation for all our shareholders. Now let me remind you of our business models, which have complementary strengths and business cycles. Project delivery, PD, is cash-generative, negative capital employed, and de-risked, with a business cycle that brings several years of workload and cash flow visibility. PD is a portfolio of many types of projects and contractual schemes with rigorous active risk management. Therefore, project delivery at 10 represents a sound and robust baseload for cash generation, not just now, but for the foreseeable future. as you will see through our results presentation. Now on TPS technology products and services, our higher margin, faster growth segment. In many instances, TPS is the precursor to project delivery. It broadens our offering of proprietary solutions. It reinforces our differentiation through productization and technology scale-up, and it is the gateway to market with accelerated growth. For all these reasons, TPS is where our capital will be further deployed. Thanks to our success in PD and TPS and our balance sheet strength, we have the ability to venture and pioneer in adjacent business models. It's about generating recurring earnings and about longer-term value retention. In 2023, we started with Reju, a 10 company that could be a 2 billion euro revenue company by 2034, subject to investment decisions. Before highlighting our full year achievements, let's revisit the transformative milestones from our November Capital Markets Day. We demonstrated how our strategic choices are paying off and discussed the promising future of our expanding market landscape, with continued growth in energy and energy derivatives markets and faster double-digit growth in decarbonization and circularity. We also showcased a robust and diverse commercial pipeline valued at $75 billion through 2026. For the first time, we provided detailed financial guidance by business segment for 2025 and outlined an ambitious roadmap for 2028, ensuring consistency in free cash flow conversion in the 70% to 85% range. And we offered further insights on our strong balance sheet and our economic net cash position, which has since grown to more than 1.4 billion euros. Lastly, we unveiled our capital allocation framework, emphasizing our dual priorities, dividend growth and strategic technology-driven investments to enhance differentiation and accelerate value creation for our shareholders. Now turning to the highlights, Technip Energies delivered an outstanding 2024 performance for both revenue and earnings. This success is a testament to the ingenuity and commitment of our teams in their pursuit of excellence. Our operating results are stellar, boasting 14% growth in top line, with revenues exceeding the top end of our Q3 upgraded guidance range at close to 7 billion euros. This robust top line growth paired with excellence in execution, propelled a 13% increase in EBITDA to $608 million, translating to our highest ever levels of EBIT and earnings per share. 2024 was also a year of great commercial success, with more than $10 billion of order intake across our markets, including LNG and decarbonized power generation. orders significantly outpaced revenues for both business segments, driving our backlog to an all-time high, approaching $20 billion. Based on the strength of these results and confidence in our business outlook, we are proposing a near 50% increase in annual dividend, which Bruno will touch on in his remarks on capital allocation. Then is the company in motion? and these strong results provide a springboard for the next chapter of our growth story. Moving to operational highlights, we celebrated important milestones in the fourth quarter throughout our diverse portfolio of projects and TPAs. In project delivery, we achieved the pivotal ready-to-start milestone on the Tortue FPSO for BP in Senegal and Mauritania. I am immensely proud of the collaborative approach developed with BP and our project team, as well as our team's grit and unwavering determination to persevere on a project that faced many obstacles and find solutions to ultimately deliver successfully. Elsewhere in project delivery, we attained provisional acceptance on the middle refinery expansion, while in TPS, project one for INEOS achieved successful loadout of the modular ethylene furnace from Thailand, now en route to Belgium. Overall, these accomplishments underscore our solid progress as we continue to execute our portfolio. Turning to order intake, we achieved over $10 billion in 2024, marking our second consecutive year surpassing this milestone. A notable aspect of our 2024 intake is the breadth of awards across different markets and geographies. And with the two-year book-to-bill at 1.6%, Our growth trajectory is well supported. In LNG, we reinforced our leadership during 2024 with two electrified and low-emission plants in the Middle East. These projects define the next generation of LNG. We also position 10 to play a future role in the U.S. LNG market. A significant highlight in December was a major award for net zero T-side power in the U.K., the world's first gas-fired power station with carbon capture and storage. NZT was the largest contract awarded to TEN in 2024 and includes scope for both project delivery and TPS. This contract reinforces our leadership in carbon capture and benefits from a de-risked hybrid contractual structure with UK construction scope performed on a reimbursable model. turning to TPS, which achieved its highest ever annual order intake at €2.2 billion, benefiting from key technology and proprietary equipment orders in carbon capture and ethylene, as well as robust services activity in traditional and new markets. In summary, I am thrilled with our commercial success in 2024, reaching €10 billion across a diversified blend of markets and geographies and supporting our value growth proposition. Before passing on to Bruno, let me share some exciting updates on our sustainability journey, which is increasingly recognized by the market and leading rating agencies. Sustainability is deeply embedded in TEN's business strategy, with aspirations to achieve net zero emissions for Scope 102 by 2030 and Scope 3 by 2050. TEN has achieved a 41% reduction in scope 1 and 2 emissions when compared to 2021. And given this early success, we are raising our emissions reduction targets from 30% to 45% by 2025. Other highlights include growth in investment and an upskilling of our talents. as well as successful implementation of monitoring processes to enhance the sustainability across our supply chain. Moving forward, we will enhance our sustainability goals with a strong commitment to integrity, emphasizing further on robust governance and stakeholder engagement. I will now pass the call over to Bruno.

Thanks, Arnaud, and good afternoon, everyone. Turning to the highlights of our strong financial performance in 2024, our revenues increased by 14% year-over-year, reaching 6.9 billion euros, just above the top end of the upgraded guidance range from Q3. This growth was driven by both business segments with significant contributions from LNG Qatar projects and steady growth in TPS. Recurring EBIT increased by 11% to reach a new high of 496 million, benefiting from growth in revenue with margins comfortably within the guided range of 7 to 7.5%. EPS demonstrated a substantial 33% increase to 2.16 euro share due to strong operational performance, higher net financial income, and lower non-recurring items versus the prior year. Turning to orders, adjusted order intake was 10 billion for the second consecutive year, leading to healthy book-to-bill ratio of 1.5. This drove a 25% year-over-year increase in backlog, approaching 20 billion euros, equivalent to nearly three times 2024 revenues. Fueled by solid cash flow generation, Growth cash at year-end was $4.1 billion. In summary, the collective efforts and performance of our teams have resulted in an outstanding 2024 performance. Turning to our segment reporting and starting with project delivery, where our 2024 performance demonstrates a buildup of activities. Revenues are up a significant 19% year-over-year to $4.1 billion. thanks to activity growth on Qatar energy projects and offshore projects. Trends for segment EBITDA and EBIT are very similar. Both metrics increased by 12% year-over-year. And both saw a 50 basis point contraction in margin due to the rebalancing of our project portfolio with increased revenue contribution from early phase projects with limited margin recognition. Project delivery margins remain, however, best in class. Finally, backlog increased by 26% year-over-year, equivalent to 3.6 times the segment revenue for 2024, and benefiting from tier awards in decarbonized power generation, LNG, and offshore. As outlined during our Capital Market Day in November, we have a large and diversified commercial pipeline for 2025 and 2026, that supports award momentum.

All this underpins our trajectory through the medium term. Moving to technology products and services.

TPS revenues continue to be solid, with top line reaching very close to 2 billion euros, driven by renewable fuel services, PMC, and higher volume of smaller projection studies. BPS recurring EBITDA margin expanded by 30 basis points year-over-year to 12.9%, benefiting from mixed and business performance improvement within services. Recurring EBIT margins were stable at 9.6% due to increased depreciation and amortization expense associated with higher capital investment and also the impact of IFRS 16. Commercially, a solid book-to-bill of 1.1%. drove a 10% year-over-year increase in backlog to $2 billion, benefiting in particular from the proprietary equipment scope within the net zero TSI power award in December, as well as sustained momentum in services and studies throughout the year. In summary, a solid TPS performance in 2024, which we intend to build on in 2025, as our strategy and commercial focus tries further success. Turning to other key performance items, beginning with the income statement. Net financial income reached 120 million, benefiting from cash investments and favorable global interest rates. Effective tax rate at 30.2% is within the guidance range of 29 to 33%. At the bottom line, with the robustness of our earnings in relation to our equity, which gives an attractive 19% return on equity. Finally, the balance sheet is robust, with growth in gross cash to $4.1 billion. We also update for TENS the economic net cash position, a disclosure we first gave at CMD, which adjusts for cash associated to projects. The bridge from gross cash to TENS net cash is provided in the appendix, but at 4.1 billion plus, it clearly provides 10, with the flexibility to deploy capital into value-accretive investment and shareholder returns. Now, let's dive further into our cash flows. Free cash flow, excluding working capital and provisions, was 519 million, with cash conversion from EBITDA at 85%, reflecting three main factors. our asset-like business model, strength in operational execution, and the positive impact of financial income derived from our cash. Working capital was an inflow of 230 million for the year. As I've discussed previously, working capital should be approximately neutral on a long-term basis, as evidenced by the cumulative working capital impact since 2021, which is quite negligible. As outlined last quarter, the capital expenditure of 86 million represents a significant year-over-year increase, driven by investment in the Reju demonstration plant and the least recognition of new offices in the US and Europe, which are contributing to our Scope 1 and 2 emission reduction targets. When combining the dividend distributed in the second quarter with the completion of our $100 million buyback program, TEN returned over $170 million in cash to shareholders. Before talking about capital allocation, I will briefly remind you of the 2025 guidance and 2028 framework that we first presented during our Capital Market Day and that we confirmed today. In 2025, for project delivery, we see revenues of $5 to $5.4 billion and an EBITDA margin of around 8%. For TPS, we anticipate revenues to range from $2 to $2.2 billion with an EBITDA margin of 13.5%. The footnote gives you an indication of expected DNA. De facto, giving you segment guidance for a bit as well. You are most welcome. Moving to our 2028 framework, we uncapped project delivery top line and see control growth to 6 billion plus, with EBITDA margin expansion to around 8.5%. For TPS, our strategic growth segment, we see revenues increasing to more than 2.6 billion, with EBITDA margins reaching 14.5%. Other items, such as effective tax rate, corporate costs, and R&D are expected to be broadly consistent through 2028. One last element to consider, which is more a capital allocation versus a guidance item, is adjacent business models such as REJU, where we expect to invest up to $50 million in 2025, treated as a non-recurring, and as we work towards potential investment decisions in late 2025 or into 2026. In summary, We reaffirm our guidance and growth outlook to 2028.

Moving now to capital allocation.

Within our medium-term framework, we anticipate generating free cash flow of 2.2 and 2.6 billion cumulative between 2024 and 2028. And with more than 500 million generated in 2024, we are firmly on track. With our balance sheet in pristine health, our capital allocation strategy focuses on two key priorities. First, dividends. As earnings grow, so will dividends, with a commitment to distribute a minimum of 25% to 35% of free cash flow. The dividend we propose today represents a payout just north of 28%. Second, value-accretive investments. We will apply the same discipline and selectivity to our investment decisions as we do in our operations. Our rigorous framework for risk assessment and value creation ensures strict capital discipline. Our approach is twofold. We will pursue M&A to expand our TPS offering across geographies and markets with a clear focus on technology and products. where we can maximize value and achieve additional synergies in services and projects. As I just explained, we will also explore adjacent business models. In summary, our capital allocation strategy is designed to return cash to shareholders while creating additional value through disciplined capital deployment. Before passing back to Arnaud, I will discuss shareholder returns. Building on the robust performance of our 2024 results and confidence in business outlook, we propose a 49% increase of our annual dividend. This will see compound annual growth rate at an impressive 24% since our maiden dividend in 2021. Since company's inception, we have delivered substantial earnings and dividend growth and generated consistently strong returns. And our investors have been rewarded with more than 140% total shareholder returns over four years. The good news is that our strategic choices are paying off. Our market positioning is strong, and our value-creative investment activities are only just getting started. We are really just at the beginning of our long-term value creation journey. I'll now turn the call back to Arnaud for the outlook.

Thank you, Bruno. Now, on the market outlook and key trends enabling TEN to thrive in any energy scenario. As mentioned during the CMD, the three megatrends of population, urbanization, and economic growth support our four markets covering more energy and chemicals with less emissions and waste. First, global demand for energy and energy derivatives is undisputably rising. Power consumption and the role of gas in mitigating intermittency are boosting natural gas and LNG demand. Additionally, the recent lift of the U.S. LNG moratorium is expected to spur a renewed wave of LNG project investments. We continue to anticipate a capacity requirement in LNG of nearly 800 million tons per annum by 2030, as outlined in our CMD in November. Second, the push for decarbonization and emissions abatement is driving industries to pursue affordable, sustainable development. Despite policy uncertainties in clean technology sectors, our customer engagements remain positive. In the U.S., the 45V update for the Inflation Reduction Act is seen as supportive, especially for blue hydrogen and blue ammonia projects targeting demand from Japan and Korea. Moreover, our studies for numerous clients consider scenarios without subsidies or tax incentives, so any government support would enhance an already solid economic framework. In summary, the market is active with promising opportunities ahead. With our technological leadership, proven EPC capabilities, and financial strength, then is positioned to capitalize on our growing market and continuously improve our performance. In closing, we delivered an outstanding 2024 with robust earnings, with an EPS up 33% and cash flows above €500 million. We achieved great commercial success with more than €10 billion of diversified high-quality order intake, which drove backlog to new heights approaching €20 billion. With the tailwind of positive markets, we intend to build on our strong business momentum through resolute focus on execution while capitalizing on high demand for 10 differentiated performing solutions. We are committed to shareholder returns, proposing an almost 50% rise in the annual dividends. And as we continue to modernize TEN and leverage on our unique expertise, we remain steadfast in our commitment to continuous innovation, smart engineering, excellence in execution, and technology scale-up. Through this unwavering approach, we can win the affordability battle, building the bridge between prosperity and sustainability for a world designed to last. With that, let's open the line for questions.

This is the conference operator. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. To remove yourself from the question queue, please press star and two. Please pick up the receiver when asking questions. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. First question is from Kate of Sullivan City. Please go ahead.

Hi, congrats on the results and thanks for taking my question. So first one may be on transition projects. You know you booked the significant net zero T side award in 4Q. And we heard from BP the strategy update yesterday about a limited number of low carbon projects this decade. So you have the feed for the BP low carbon hydrogen facility. Previously, I think we mentioned expected in potentially 2Q25 and FID. From your conversations with clients, do you see any change to outlook or timeline? Also, if you could give an indication on the scale of a reward, perhaps, relative to net zero T side. And do you expect, if you're bidding for it, to be able to demonstrate many synergies through your existing work on net zero T side?

Again, thank you.

Let me first make a statement about Net Zero Decide. I think, like you, I've listened to and replayed the BP conference yesterday and interacted with BP after their conference. And I want to reiterate our confidence in the fact that Net Zero Decide is not at all threatened by BP's latest announcement around reduction in their outage transition or low-carbon energy investment. Net zero decide is preserved because of a very specific, I would say, funding structure that is not solely dependent on BP's capital. So that's point number one. So net zero decide is well under execution, no change to the plan. You're right to mention that we have a feed ongoing for BP, H2T side. The feed continues. And there is, I mean, on our side, no change of plan on this one. The ambition for the T-side hub and the alliance, the low-carbon alliance over there, remains strong. I believe the FID will be more a function of our client finding the necessary offtake for the blue hydrogen and the product. So this is very much what we drive the... decision for FID and the timing, sorry, of the FID. So we will stay tuned on this one. As for the synergies, yes, there will be likely synergies between the two projects, in particular when it comes to construction resources and ability to mobilize. So we should be well-placed. It will be competitive, but we should have a bit of an advantage just because of already being on location.

Perfect. Just on the scale of the award potential, you know, net zero T side was obviously your biggest award in 2024. So just relative to that, how you'd expect this award to look?

It would be, I would say, much smaller. Still, I mean, it should be much smaller. Still a significant project for TEN, but not in the same orbit as net zero T side.

Okay, thanks.

Next question is from Bertrand Hody, Kepler Shepard. Please go ahead.

Yes. Hello. Thank you for taking my question. The first one is on the LNG dynamics in the U.S. We can feel some contradictory forces at work. Yes, the LNG moratorium has been lifted. But there is also the fears around tariffs. So that could probably complicate, I would say, a modularized approach when it comes to constructing LNG sites in the US. And also, tariffs imposed by China would probably make Chinese utilities being more prudent in signing a new LNG offtake. So can you share your thoughts around your two major opportunities, U.S. Commonwealth LNG and U.S. Lake Charles, and also what are your discussions around those potential tariff threats and how you can mitigate those issues.

Hi Bertrand, thanks for the question. So LNG in the US and the contradictory forces. So first I will, you know, we are tracking two major opportunities in the US, as you know, Lake Charles LNG, which is signed in a sense, and Commonwealth LNG, which would be a first award for our SNAP-LNG modularized concept if it reaches FID. Where are we at the moment? So the moratorium has been lifted and I would say with both developments we are in a price verification campaign. In other words, this is work for which we are being paid. And naturally, as a prudent company, It is important that before reconfirming the price to the customer for those two developments, that we go through a price verification so that we give them an update on the actual cost of their infrastructure. So that's something that was built into, I would say, the contract and the flow of activities that had to be done between late 2023 and into 2024 and at the time of the lift of the moratorium being lifted. So we were committed and they were committed to paying 10 for price verification to make sure that they and we would still be satisfied with the price on the project and its structure. So that's what is ongoing at the moment. Then comes the subject of the permit and being ready to reach FID. So the FID for me on those two projects is really a second half event. It's not going to be an H1 event, H1 2025. So at the earliest, it's H2. Now the tariffs. First of all, As a prudent contractor, we then won't be exposed to any risk associated to tariffs. So if tariffs were to be imposed, well, our price and our cost base will exclude any tariffs. So the tariffs will be a risk for the client. not a risk for 10. The risk for 10 is, as you highlighted, that the project doesn't reach FID because of tariffs being so high that they jeopardize the overall economics of the project. So what we are working on at the moment as part of the price verification exercise on the USU project is to reconfirm where modules would be fabricated, because in both cases, the execution plan is assuming a highly modularized execution. And, you know, maybe less modules... More in other countries, in other parts of Asia, India, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia. So we are, you know, it's part of the exercise to propose an execution plan that would, I would say, at least mitigate or partly the risk on tariffs. As for the offtake, really that's more a question for our clients. I'm not enough in the detail of their discussions. But when I was in India during India Energy Week a few days ago, a lot of conversation around the increased import of U.S. gas in India. So there might be a bit less China if tariffs are imposed by China on gas, but more of India. But that's more a question for those who do that on a day-to-day and really our customers.

Thank you. And my second question is around the blue hydrogen opportunity, especially in the U.S., where you are pursuing several significant opportunities. In your earlier comment, you pointed or hinted that the pathway for blue hydrogen projects in the U.S. despite Trump being in office is not at all being jeopardized. Can you give us a feel of what could materialize for 10 in the U.S. on the blue hydrogen space or more broadly on also a post-conversion CCS project?

Yes, so there are. I will give you a partial answer because there are some prospects that are, I would say, a little bit under the radar from the market and the competition, and I would like to keep them this way. But I will provide some color. And we see some very positive progress for potential awards and FIDs for blue ammonia in the US in 2025 with very, very strong building blocks. There is one that is super well-known, and that's the Baytown project with Exxon, for which we are executing the feed and for which we are, at the moment, finalizing the EPC price. I think interacting with the clients, they have very positive views on how the 45V is applied through the 40-year production tax credit. So in other words, that means that probably the customer, the client, can achieve higher than the $0.6 per kilogram of hydrogen credit. So we understand that they are eligible for greater tax credit based on the conversation they've had in Washington. And it's simply confirming their economic model or comforting their economic model. And that we've heard from several customers. So the Blue Project, for as long as the EPC price is right, of course, don't seem to be threatened by the new administration. On the contrary, I think that the 45-year update comforts them in the direction that they have taken. And so, you know, it makes of the U.S., as you rightly pointed, a very interesting landscape for 2025 and 2026 in terms of order intake potential for 10, because beyond LNG, you have the blue molecule, but also some carbon capture opportunities in North America with cement companies, but also utilities post-combustion. So we are hyperactive at the moment in the U.S. on those commercial targets.

Super. Merci beaucoup. Thanks a lot.

Next question is from Richard Dawson, Berenberg. Please go ahead.

Hi, good afternoon, and thank you for taking my questions. And two from my side. And you reiterated value-increted investments as one of the capital allocation priorities. And I appreciate you can't get into too much detail, but can you maybe give us a flavor of any M&A opportunities that you're looking at and maybe timescales for that? And then maybe just secondly, just a clarification. We saw Neste come out this month with higher investment requirements for its Rotterdam expansion project and some delays in the startup there. And given Technif Energy's involvement in that project, are there any impacts for you on that?

Thank you. So I'll start and then over to Bruno on capital allocation.

So, Richard, the M&A, of course, I'm not going to disclose on this call the list of targets that we are looking at. But I can confirm that, like I stated in my remarks, that where we are going to deploy our capital is in TPS. So in the push for more technology, and more proprietary products and potentially more services. More technology, because with more technology comes more proprietary products, and this gives, I would say, a very positive volume impact to TPS. You've heard from Bruno about Net Zero Decide contributing to both project delivery and TPS. Well, that's because as part of the scope to Net Zero T side comes a proprietary product related to the carbon capture technology that we have co-developed or for which we have collaborated with Shell. So we've seen that this investment in the capture technology has led to a proprietary product such as a CO2 absorber, for example. that now forms part of our catalog of proprietary solutions. So the catalog is being enriched. And we were very pleased to see that our technology being selected, the projects contribute to both project delivery and TPS. So we need and we want more of that going forward. That's what we tried to convey during the CMD as well. So no change to that. Capital will be deployed where there is technology and an opportunity to grow the portfolio of proprietary solutions. The second part of your question was about Neste. So, Neste, in terms of the impact on 10, so, you know, with Neste, we are working on a services model, so purely reimbursable. So, in other words, you know, there is no impact on 10. of the delays faced by Neste. So it's a very particular setup. You know, we are not driving the show fully. We are alongside Neste. And, you know, we are addressing with them some of the construction issues related to a difficult situation with some of the subcontractors. You know, lack of availability, competition, etc., etc. But the... I mean, there is no net negative impact on technique penalties due to the model that we selected with Neste. It's a pure service-reimbursable model. And that speaks, again, you know, to the, I would say, to the pertinence of the model that we've selected with Neste on this project. There's a reason why we are following this path and have selected this contracting scheme. And there's a reason why also while we are very excited about the U.S. market, we always stated we would never take lump sum construction risk or lump sum risk in-country in the U.S., and we are pushing for that model as well. So back to what I stated during the CMD, it is very much about the active management of the portfolio and making sure that you have what you need in terms of the blend between between, you know, lump sum and reimbursable and or open book estimates, etc. So, again, Neste, purely reimbursable, so no negative impact on them.

Thank you. Great to hear the models working. Thanks very much.

Next question is from Jean-Luc Romain, CIC Market Solution. Please go ahead.

You were mentioning carbon capture projects by utilities in the U.S. We are seeing oil majors and I think power generation projects for the needs of IA. Do you see them installing carbon capture immediately on those projects or maybe just keeping the optionality to install it later?

So we don't, in our projection and growth, I mean growth path, we are not really, our business plan does not include a vast acceleration of the carbon capture rate. deployment on PowerGen attached to data centers. So the conversations are to deploy carbon capture. First of all, for carbon capture to deploy, you need sequestration. If you don't have sequestration or a pipeline next to it, then there's no point talking about capture. So the location of the PowerGen And the data center has to be such that there is, you know, close proximity to an existing pipeline or a reservoir for a geology for sequestration. So that's point number one. Point number two, our discussions are more with utilities on existing plants than, you know, brand new power plants being built for or towards data centers. And three, Yes, we are scouting for potentially joint offering between those who are also large contributors to the data centers or providers of equipment, so turbines, not to name them. So the question is, is there something that can be bundled in terms of an offering to someone who would want to invest into a data center? combining latest generation turbines plus CO2 capture capacity. So this is, I would say, in terms of prospects and in terms of strategic marketing, that directionally is something that we are tracking. Too early to say whether this will have an impact. So our long-term plan or medium-term plan at Technip Energy does not include a massive spike of carbon capture deployment on PowerGen directly attached to AI and data centers.

Thank you.

Next question is from Sebastian Erskine, Redburn Atlantic. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon, Arno, Bruno, Phil, and team. Many congratulations on the results today and the dividend increase. Three, if I may, I just want to start by following up on Kate's question on the UK. It's clearly an exciting market driven by kind of CCS, the Net Zero Teesside Awards, H2 Teesside, Harbours, Viking, CCS, and now the feed on Uniper's Connors Key. I guess you talked at the CMD about limits on construction resource. So how many of these prospects would you hope to convert in the next kind of two to three years? And kind of how do you prioritise them? Secondly, on REJU, You've now said sort of targeting FID of the first two regeneration hubs for the end of 2025, but clearly you'll demand an accretion to kind of group returns, I think sort of 12% to 13% of group ROIC. So it seems on track, but I guess if you could give us some kind of color on the timing and quantum of when we can expect to see a shift from kind of OPEX to CAPEX, that would be helpful. And then finally, on the 2025 and 2028 guidance, some color on kind of the moving parts behind there. I got the sense perhaps that the 2028 framework kind of baked in a degree of conservatism, you know, vis-a-vis the IRA. So I guess what would need to go better than expected kind of upwards pressure on both of those kind of frameworks? Thank you.

Okay. So that's a very vast set of questions, Sebastian. But I will take the first two and so that you get to hear Bruno as well, I'll give him the third one. So how do we, Net Zero T side, or I would say the UK in general, maybe a bit of color on the Net Zero T side, the construction will be executed, as you know, with Balfour Beatty, the construction partner that we have selected for this venture. The headcount to be deployed on the zero-t side at peak is around 2,000 people. So it is not comparable with what we're deploying in Qatar on large LNG projects where we have north of 40,000 people at the moment working on NFE and NFS. So the scale of the project in terms of headcount is not as large as what we have in the Middle East, for example. So it's more contained, therefore a bit more manageable. I remind you that the net zero T side construction is executed on a reimbursable basis. So as well as what I've discussed a minute ago on Neste, we are de-risked. We have de-risked, I would say, that aspect of the project. So, we've announced a feed for Konaki for more carbon capture. Well, a bit of the same story. We will work with the customer on finding the contracting structure and contracting model that works, but we will continue you know, to protect ourselves against the potential shortage of resources in the UK. I hope that, and I'm confident that the relationship we are building with BAL4BT on the IoT side could be a segue for, you know, further collaboration on other projects, other similar projects in the UK as we build experience and get to know one another. So we would bet on that momentum. But you can rely on Technip Energies to be selective and maybe be naturally selective in a sense that if we cannot reach an agreement with the customer on finding a de-risked contracting model, then the project is not for Technip and our Technip Energies, and therefore we won't take the project. So from that standpoint, we would just simply de-risk the topic of access to resources. Rejuve. So Reju is making progress. We have the demonstration plant being commissioned and starting and working in Germany. There are conditions for us to reach an award and a final investment decision on Reju. There are several conditions. First, the commissioning of the demonstration plan has to happen and, okay, we're well on the way and satisfied with what we are, you know, how the technology is performing. So that's extremely encouraging. then we need feedstock secured for several years of operation of the first two plants at the right price because we will not take risk on feedstock. This is very clear. And we also will not be taking risk on offtake. So we need feedstock on offtake well secured. We also need what I will call the redo guarantee secured, i.e. the blockchain solution to guarantee the circularity along the way from, I would say, feedstock selection all the way to the final product to the end consumer. That also needs to be in place. Site selection is ongoing, one plant in Europe and one plant in the US, so we have a good idea of where we want those plants to be. Some may be announced before the summer, we'll see. And then, you know, it's about fine-tuning the model and depending on the price of the feedstock and the price at which we can sell the product with off-takers, this will basically tell us whether we have something or not. Right now, no showstopper and we're feeling very good about it. But if we take a, you know, final investment decision, on the first two plants in, let's say, late this year or Q1 2026, then you need a couple of years to have them built and in operation. So you would be into 2028 before you see production of the two plants. But I will insist on the fact that Technip Energies, you know, we are not gamblers. So we will make final investment decision as soon we have all that I've said secured, feedstock, offtake, technology, as well as the redo guarantee in order to be able to prove the circularity of the product along the way from the start to completion and back to the start. This is extremely important to Technip Energies. On capital, on the last one, Bruno?

Yes, on the guidance and the framework and some of the building blocks. So guidance, well-backed, and Arnaud mentioned it earlier in the call, by the backlog for 2025. Even more so, of course, for project delivery, long cycle business, for which there is a very high coverage of the guidance with the backlog that we have in hand. So it's going to be about execution. As always, for the shorter cycle TPS business, always a bit more to deliver as we will have bookend during the year, but the momentum on TPS remains strong. We've, you know, after a couple of quarters where we were having, let's say, slightly lower than one book to build, as indicated in the Q3 call, we reversed and backlog of TPS has grown quite meaningfully in Q4. If we project to 2028 for the medium-term framework, Yes, we start with the 20 billion backlog that we have in hand, up 4 billion, close to 4 billion versus where we were in Q3. Of course, that's the first major point. Second, the 75 billion of opportunities that we had highlighted during our CMD, still very much present. And what's great about this pipeline, it's very diversified by geographies, by markets. So we absolutely do not rely on any of geographies or markets or one project to be able to deliver that. So as Arnaud was saying, we can absolutely and we will absolutely remain very disciplined and consistent in the way we approach with no must-win projects. And that will be the right projects with the right infrastructure. you know, risk criteria, the right hybrid model of risk we onboard, risk we don't onboard, notably for construction, that have the right execution setup that we will make to our backlog. So standing here today, we feel, yes, very good about the opportunities and the building blocks to reach both, basically, segment, medium-term framework kind of trajectory. So it's all about now continuing to differentiate, continuing to present to our client the right execution setup so that the project's economics match their own investment decision criteria. But we have quite a few things in hand to really be on track to this target.

Appreciate it. Thanks very much.

We kindly ask you to limit your questions to a maximum of two. The next question is from Jamie Franklin. Jefferies, please go ahead.

Oh, hi there. Thank you for taking my questions. So firstly, just on order intake, obviously very strong orders in the quarter, which came in about a billion and a half above consensus. I think the market was expecting NZT awards coming around two to three billion, Suriname just above one billion. So you Just trying to work out what a delta is here. Is it that NZT was above that two to three billion range, or was the delta primarily smaller, unannounced projects? And also, if you could give us a bit of a guide on how much of NZT is in the TPS backlog now. And then secondly, I think you've kind of answered this already, but your backlog is very much secure on the projects business for 2025. We don't have the kind of historic backlog phasing by division that you've kindly given us this year. So just trying to get a sense of the typical level of short cycle work in the project's business, if any. Thank you.

Hi, Jimmy. So I can start with both sets of questions, and then Arnaud can complement. So on the first one and the orders, so yes, As you had noted, two main awards during the quarter, NZTE and Suriname. Now, we had some indicated NZTE from 2 to 3 billion. It's within this range. It's maybe on the higher part of this range. We should be taking a mid-assumption. And as well, for Suriname, above 1, meaning it can be a bit more above 1. So I think these were clearly the two strong contributors. But on top of that, you had some more traditional unannounced awards because it's smaller projects, because it's VOs, because it's... steps, projects that go in steps with limited notice to proceed or early work that will gradually make it to our backlog towards an FID. So you had a bit of those that complement and that are unannounced as per the request of the client. So overall, significant contribution. we are not really announcing or splitting the NZT award between project and TPS because when we will talk about a lot of these awards of carbon capture, we will provide the main equipment, an absorber for the main scope of the carbon capture plus work around project. Now each project sometimes will be different. So Although there will be meaningful contributions from TPA scope in some of these future carbon capture, just as there is in net zero T side, it won't be really easy to make kind of a rule of thumb, say each project will have exactly the same because the blend of the project from a geography, from the scope of work, from the type of work we take or not take will be slightly different. So this is why although it will contribute to both, it has for NGT, it will for other projects, it's difficult to have one exact calculation that will apply for all.

Final question is from Daniel Thompson, BNP Paribas Exxon. Please go ahead.

Hi, congrats on the solid quarter. I wanted to touch on the ethylene market and tendering opportunity set. That kind of market has been a bit slower in 2024. How does the building pipeline going into this year compare to maybe what you saw at the beginning of last year? Are you seeing any signs of improvement in projects moving forward in that market? Thank you.

We see a recovery 2025-2026 on this market. It's difficult to say whether it's going to be as early as 2025 or 2026. I think 2025 we will see nonetheless customers making a commitment on the technology and the proprietary equipment. So technology selection and equipment selection taking place in 2025. We have a couple of them on the horizon with a high level of certainty. And then probably FID on projects into 2026. That's what I would guess is going to happen. But equipment selection and technology selection, some will happen this year.

Thanks. And is that concentrated in any particular region, or is it broad-based?

No, it's broad-based, but it's between the US and Middle East mostly for us now, yeah.

Got it. Thank you.

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