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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Walker Phinney AG Q1 2026 conference call. I am Sandra, the call school operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and 1 on your telephone. For operator assistance, please press star and 0. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it is my pleasure to hand over to Jörg Hoffmann, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, operator. Welcome to the Wacker Chem EIG conference call on our first quarter 2026 results. Dr. Christian Hartl, our CEO, and Dr. Tobias Ola, our CFO, will walk you through the presentation, the press release, Our IR presentation and detailed financial tables are available on our webpage under the Investor Relations section. Please note that management comments during this call include forward-looking statements involving risks and uncertainties. We encourage you to review the safe harbor statement in today's presentation and look into our 2025 annual report for information on risk factors. All documents mentioned are available on our website.

Chris? Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining our earnings call for the first quarter of 2026. Despite the ongoing weak demand in many of our customer industries, WACKER had a solid start to the year. Group sales came in at 1.41 billion euros, 5% below last year. This was primarily due to FX headwinds. On the other hand, EVDA climbed by 45% year over year, to 173 million euros. The primary driver to the higher EBITDA was our paid cost program, followed by pull-forward effects from customers. We have made good progress with our paid program so far and we have benefited from lower spending and costs already in the first quarter. The aim of the program is to achieve annual savings of more than 300 million euros in 2028. PACE is designed to sustainably enhance Vacker's competitiveness. Our efforts are focused on reducing our fixed manufacturing and administration costs. We are lowering technical spend and addressing overscoping. We are optimizing structures in operations by merging units, tightening budgets, and cutting discretionary spending. We implement, for example, in procurement new bidding systems, to foster greater competition among suppliers. Yet, our efforts go beyond pace and pure cost savings. We are simultaneously streamlining our structures and processes and sharpening our business model. All of this makes WACKER fit for purpose and enhances our long-term competitive position. While cost savings were the primary driver to the strong growth in EBITDA, Pull-forward effects from advanced customer orders supported the better-than-expected first quarter results. In mid-March, markets responded quickly to the conflict in the Middle East. Supply disruptions drove up raw material and energy prices. Our procurement teams filtered quickly to secure critical materials. We quickly announced price increases to counter rising costs. Applying lessons learned from the unprecedented raw material inflation during the COVID period, we have a playbook event. You can draw upon that and it helps us navigate through current challenges. Both silicones and polymers saw customers' advance orders pulling them forward into the first quarter. This was likely triggered by security of supply concerns and longer shipping times from Asia. On the other two segments, Our other two segments did not see any meaningful pull-forward effects. Polysilicon continued with its strong growth in semi, with the new edging line strengthening our leading position. Our solutions benefited in the first quarter from timing of contracts. Here, the overall market remains challenging and we remain focused on filling existing capacities. Now, before I move on to the guidance on the next page, let me highlight a new investment that enables sustainable solutions. In Japan, we have just commissioned a new production line for thermally conductive silicones. This will allow us to meet growing demand for specialty silicones in applications such as batteries for the e-mobility sector. The performance of batteries is affected by heat, and our thermal interface material, known as TIMS, are essential high performance materials in battery packs. EVs show strong growth and this new asset position ups wealth. Now moving on to the guidance on page 4. We confirm our full year 2026 EVDA guidance while adjusting our sales expectations upwards. We now anticipate sales to increase by a high single digit percentage as he raised prices in chemicals to effectively counter high raw materials. Our absolute EBITDA expectation is unchanged, and we expect EBITDA to be in the range of 550 to 700 million units. With a solid start to the year, we are on track to reach our full year expectations. That said, our outlook continues to be subject to a high degree of uncertainty. This is clearly due to the unprecedented developments in the Middle East and the still unresolved U.S. trade proceedings on imports of polysilicon and its derivatives. In summary, we remain confident and alert. We have confidence due to the steps we've taken. We are addressing raw material inflation with price increases and cutting costs under pace. However, we are cautious. about the development of end markets. We know that conditions can change unexpectedly. Our responsibility is to navigate whatever challenges arise with agility and discipline. With that, let me hand over to Tobias, who will discuss the group and segment performance in more detail. Thank you, Chris.

Welcome, everybody. Looking at the profit and loss statement, phased during the first quarter of 2026, we are 1.41 billion euros. Group sales were down 5% year over year, mainly due to the negative FX events. EBITDA came in at 173 million euros versus 119 million euros a year ago. Chemicals grew earnings by 18% year over year. EBITDA reached 166 million euros up from 140 million euros a year ago. The improvement was driven primarily by PACE. Cost savings supported the higher gross profit and lower SG&A expenses. Higher sales and utilization rates in March due to the pull-forward effects also supported the positive earnings development. Others held back the reported EBITDA by minus 30 million euros versus the minus 51 million euros last year. This year's lower charge and others resided from the lower CO2 compensation offset, or in other words, the credit to the divisions. In the first quarter, this offset was around 18 million euros versus 40 million euros a year ago. After depreciation of 120 million euros, EBIT came in at 52 million euros. All told, net income was positive 15 million euros equating to earnings per share of 0.21 euros. We are pleased with the initial successes achieved in our paid cost program. However, we remain at the beginning of this program and need to continue work hard to reach our interim goal of achieving 200 million euros in savings in 2026. Looking at page six, our balance sheet continues to show a solid financial structure with 3.82 billion euros in equity and a high level of liquidity of 1.44 billion euros. Our liquidity position was clearly supported by our target efforts to reduce investment in working capital last year. In the first quarter of 2026, net working capital increased by 119 million euros over year-end 2025, reflecting seasonality in our accounts receivables. Inventories were largely flat. Now looking at the operating segment starting on page 7. At silicones, sales in the first quarter of 2026 were 708 million euros, down 5% year-over-year. This was primarily due to the negative FX effects. On the other hand, the first quarter sales were 17% higher quarter-over-quarter due to seasonality. At 117 million euros, EBITDA was up 13% versus the prior year. This increase was primarily due to the pace as well as higher volumes. The emerging Middle East conflict led to significant pull-forward effects toward the end of the quarter. Due to the recent raw material inflation, we announced price increases in the quarter. We have updated our 2026 Silicon's outlook. Despite negative FX effects, we now see sales being a low single-digit percentage higher due to higher volumes and prices. Our expectation for the EBITDA margin is essentially unchanged, and we continue to see it slightly above prior year. From today's perspective, end-market demand in many customer segments remains weak, and our announced price increases will primarily offset raw material inflation without altering our overall absolute earnings expectations significantly. At Polymers, sales were at €333 million, 8% lower than last year and up 7% on the previous quarter. Sales in the first quarter of 2026 were held back year-over-year by FX effects, softer prices, and overall lower volumes. EBITDA, on the other hand, increased by 33% year-over-year on cost control and lower raw material costs. As seen in silicones, pull-forward effects led to improving order intake at the end of the quarter, and we announced price increases to address raw material inflation. We have updated our 2026 Polymers Outlook. Trades are now expected to be a low double-digit percentage higher than prior year, Higher prices due to raw material pass-through will be partially offset by negative F-equal effects. Our EBITDA margin expectation is essentially unchanged and is forecasted to be slightly higher than prior year. As in silicones, the higher sales are not forecasted to have a significant impact on full-year EBITDA due to the raw material inflation from today's perspective. At BioSolutions, sales were up 100 million euros up 9% year-over-year due to project timing. EBITDA in the first quarter of 2026 came in at 13 million euros, benefiting from higher sales and cost management. The timing of project completions also supports the quarterly result. Some projects in the fourth quarter of 2025 were pushed into Q1, and at the same time, some projects scheduled for the second quarter were completed ahead of time. Our outlook for the full year 2026 for bio-solutions is unchanged. We see sales up by a high single-digit percentage with an EBITDA at around 30 million euros. The market environment remains challenging and we remain focused on strengthening our commercial activities, filling capacities and on cost management. At Paula Silicon, sales in the first quarter of 2026 came in at 226 million euros 8% lower year-over-year due to lower prices for solar and continued low demand for solar. Semi, on the other hand, continues strong. Our semi volumes are growing nicely and the new etching line is performing very well. This asset clearly supports our business's overall resilience and strengthens our leading market position. EBITDA was 23 million euros in the first quarter. this level of earnings is comparable to the past few quarters. The better mix and good cost performance were able to offset the higher energy costs this year. For 2026, our outlook in polysilicon is unchanged. We expect sales to be a low double digit percentage higher than prior year. EBITDA is forecasted to be at the prior year level despite higher energy costs in the year. Earnings are supported to be significantly higher in semi-safe and from efficiency gains. On the other hand, solar remains challenging. As Chris said, our outlook does not include any significant effects from trade policies. Now, let's look at the development of our net financial debt on page 11. In the first quarter of 2026, we generated a gross cash flow of 77 million euros. Driven by typical seasonal pattern, In chemicals, higher trade receivables helped back the gross cash flow by €108 million. Inventories were largely flat. Cash flow from investing activities came in at €109 million, significantly down from €197 million a year ago. Our major investments were concluded last year. CapEx will be reopened. around 300 million euros in 2026 versus 466 million euros last year. Our focus is now on filling the new capacities, and this should allow us to keep CapEx well below depreciation levels for years to come. At the end of the quarter, we ended with net debt of 964 million euros. Before we start with the Q&A, let me summarize. We had a solid start to the year and even surpassed our own expectations due to pull-forward effects from advanced customer orders. The first quarter EBITDA shows clear progress towards our full-year forecast and the cost savings under PACE are delivering tangible savings. We are at the beginning of this cost program and we need to remain focused and work hard to achieve our ambitious goals. I am confident that our efforts here will sustainably enhance WACKER's competitiveness. Against this backdrop, demand in many of our customer industries remains weak overall, and the crisis in the Middle East increases macroeconomic uncertainty. Raw material and energy prices have climbed meaningfully. Although order intake has improved, visibility remains short, volatility is high, and unseen risk may arise from the Middle East conflict. Therefore, Our full-year outlook is subject to a high degree of uncertainty from geopolitics, supply chain risks, demand stability, and trade policies. Now, we are happy to address your questions.

We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on the telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered a queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to disable the loudspeaker while asking a question. In the interest of time, please limit yourself to two questions. Our first question comes from Anil Shenoy from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Yeah, hi. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you so much for taking my questions. Just the two, please. The first question is on pre-buying, which you said was mainly in silicones and polymers. I was wondering if you could just give us some color on which products in these segments have seen the most pre-buying. Like in silicones, whether it was the standard silicones or more downstream silicones. Similarly in polymers, if you saw any advantage from the backward integration into VAM in Europe. So any color on that would be very helpful. And secondly, I was just wondering about Q2 and the impact of price increases and the raw material inflation and the timing difference between them. You increase the prices in silicones and polymers at the end of Q1. So I'm assuming that that will impact in Q2. And in that case, when would you see the raw material inflation? Would it be sometime in Q2 or have you already started seeing it? In effect, I'm trying to understand, is there a possibility of a windfall gain in Q2 and possibly Q3 as well? Thank you.

Ani, a very good question. Samir is here. Starting also with the first question on the pre-buying in silicones and polymers. It was when we had the call for the four-year results, just mid-October, March and the real surge in order intake came around that period. And that's why our sales was running sort of 50 million higher than expected in March. And that is both covering silicones and polymers. And to be frank, it's broad-based. I would rather say it's focused on the region Asia where we had seen the strongest impotence also for silicones and polymers. But you can't pick a segment. And it's been both for specialty silicones and standard silicones. I mean, it was not so much, there was not so much change in the portfolio and the mix. With respect to the price increases, we reacted really immediately after that, yeah, inflation on the cost side was appearing and coming towards us. But you can be sure that, yeah, it rolls through the supply chain with time lag. So it has not been affecting us cost-wise in the first quarter. But also the price increases, I mean, which we announced in the first quarter, also were not effective in the first quarter. I mean, maybe in Asia or in China where you have monthly or weekly or even biweekly pricing. But beyond that, no meaningful raw material and energy impact yet on the cost side and no meaningful pricing effect yet on the sales side. There will be, yeah, over the course of the second quarter and then in the latter half of the year, much more significant impact from that.

And let me add on that on the pricing side. As you said in the speech, I mean, I think we have a good playbook in place for bringing in these pricing increases. And many peers did the same thing, which I think creates overall a constructive pricing environment. Yet, it's not something which is super simple. Of course, you have to convince your customers. It's day-to-day hard work, and our teams are working on it, so our aim is really to be successful here.

Yeah, thank you so much. The next question comes from Christian Seitz from Kepler-Chevreux. Please go ahead.

Yes, thanks. Good afternoon. Two questions, please, on two segments. First of all, in polymers, you're now forecasting the sales increase in the low double-digit amount. I'm just trying to get my head around this with a minus 8% performance in Q1. Has business since then so dramatically improved that this is now a possibility? I mean, in mid-March, we still saw a pretty much flat development, if I remember correctly. So, we would have to count on significant improvements throughout the entire year. And second, in biosolutions, can you give us any idea about the timing effects you reflect in Q1, i.e., the project delays from Q4 feeding into Q1, and the pull-forwards projects that were originally planned for Q2-26? On your EBITDA forecast of just about 30 million for this year, isn't this a bit conservative considering the robust performance of G1, very mentioned also cost management as a key factor, and would that not hold for the remainder of the year and thus leads to higher profitability in bio-solutions? Thanks very much.

Christian, WSC is starting with your first question on the dynamics in polymers. As I mentioned before, the cost increases to start to kick in in the second quarter and then for the remainder of the years. And the same goes for the price increase. And from the order of magnitude guiding from sales round prior to low double digits in polymers, you can calculate that we are talking about a three-digit million number that we need to increase our sales prices. And as Christian mentioned, we have the playbook in place that is different by region. While we work with surchargers in Europe, we have super dynamic pricing in Asia and formula pricing in the U.S. So we will see that impact that we are significantly above prior year starting in the second quarter in Polymer.

Okay, thanks.

BioSolutions?

Yes, on your BioSolutions question. So BioSolutions delivered the 30 million EBDA in Q1 and the 100 million in sales, and yes, you're right. This benefited from the project timing in both directions, as you pointed out. Some Q4 projects completed in Q1, and some Q2 projects finished ahead of schedule and went into the Q1 numbers. I would say this is kind of the nature of the CDMO and pharma project business. Therefore, for the Q2, we would expect a step down from the Q1 because of the project scheduled originally for the Q2 have already been completed. The pipeline continues to develop and we have project activity throughout the year. The full year target of around the 30 million we believe remains appropriate. And if you make the math, then the 17 million which is remaining, that would be roughly 5 to 6 million per quarter. And that would actually be consistent with the run rate we saw in Q2 and Q3 of last year. And don't forget, we still see the CDO market remains challenging. And also, don't forget, because you asked for the cost effect, the biosolutions division already started cost measures kind of two years ago. So, you know, the pay savings are not one-to-one kind of related for biosolutions to this year and the following years. Already some of these effects have been achieved. So therefore, we still believe that the target guidance is the right one.

Okay, great. Thanks very much, and good luck for the supply and demand challenges for your overall business going forward.

Thank you. Thank you, Christian.

The next question comes from Peter Spangler from . Please go ahead.

Yeah, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I have two, first on polysilicon and Asian PV demand. So could you elaborate on what are you seeing in the Asian market outside of China specifically? Is the recent increase in energy pricing leading to an acceleration in demand for PV installation in Southeast Asia? And the second question is on your US polysilicon import situation. Could you provide us an update on the situation there and I'm particularly interested in your perspective on current inventory levels and any shifts in customer purchasing behavior.

Okay, Peter, thank you for your questions. Let me start first with the demand. You mentioned Southeast Asia. I think, in general, I would say that the world at the moment is kind of recalibrating their view on renewables in general, and especially on solar. And I think we will probably see an uptake in overall PV demand. That would be my personal view on this. And of course, this is positive at the end of the day for our business. I guess that a lot of the PV demand in Southeast Asia will be obviously supplied from From China, that would be my estimate. On the solar side in the U.S., on the 232, I mean, there's actually not so much more update. You know that the DOC filed the report to the president. That was at the end of March, and the president has now 90 days to give a final statement solution, a final, you know, answer on this. We don't know in which direction it goes. I think we just have to wait until this, the outcome. And this also impacts, you know, personal behavior. So I would say it's fair to say that everybody now is in a wait-and-see mood what comes out of that 3-2 decision.

Peter, with respect to your questions on the inventory levels in polysilicon, I had mentioned in my speech that the overall inventory was largely flat, and that is to be divided into chemicals being slightly up because of seasonality and pre-production also ahead of some turnarounds, and polysilicon inventory levels down. So the solar demand is soft, as we mentioned. But we are running all plans at the minimum utilization that is possible. And from that, we were in the position to at least slightly reduce our polysilicon inventories in the quarter. Thank you very much.

The next question comes from Matthew Yates from Bank of America.

Please go ahead. A couple of questions, please. The first is around the cost base. I was just looking at your headcount numbers you disclosed in the release. I think you're down about 300 positions since the start of the year, and I think we talked about 1,500 targeted in totality. Just wondering how to think about the lag in people leaving and coming off the payroll, or put another way, of the 200 million or so cost savings targeted for this year. Can you give us a number how much you realized already in the first quarter? And then we can think about what's still to come. The second question was specifically on polymers and I guess the concept of net pricing. You know, it's a little bit confusing to me at least that if I take something like VAM, there's some regions where you're long, there's some that you're short. In the past, you've seen significant squeezes when raw maps have gone up, but I understand you have sort of changed some of your contracts to have higher frequency repricing. The guidance today hasn't changed in terms of still expecting margins to be a bit higher this year. Is that because you're still waiting to see how much raw maps move, or are you confident that you can pass through whatever is necessary as far as you're aware today? Thank you.

Matthew Tobias here for the first question on PACE. As we said, the overall target is to achieve savings of more than 300 million euros starting or being fully effective in the year 2028, gross savings. And for this year, 2026, we are targeting 200. So we had a good start into PACE and we have some good progress. But the savings profile is not linear, definitely. So we already began implementing some PACE measures in late 2025. And the more effective ones being the non-personnel measures on budgets, on technical spend, on some structural procurement savings. So these are already effective. There's also exactly the effect that you were seeing in the numbers, that we have reduced headcount. We have reduced headcount abroad. We have also slightly reduced headcount in Germany, but that is still the minor part of the savings. So if I put it together, for the first quarter, we could say we have roughly 40 million euros, and then we have to increase the run rate, and we are confident that we can achieve 200 million for the full year. because the personnel matters will kick in mostly in the next year. As you know, we are still in discussions also with the workers council, it's not concluded yet, but headcount reduction in Germany will have a major impact starting in 2027. But we had a good start in PACE as a efficiency program, and that's a lot of self-help that is supporting our overall guidance also for this year. We are on a good trajectory and confident to reach the 200 million for the year.

And, Mathieu, on your question on polymers, yes, I mean, the answer is we expect that we can pass through the raw material price increases, which we see, and I think As you said in the beginning, I think there's a playbook how we can do this. I don't know if your question alludes to can we get more on that? I think it is too early to say because we are still, as a reminder, I mean, that's what we said also at the beginning of the year, there is still in the end markets overall globally is a weak demand pattern. So if that shifts or not is not foreseeable right now. So therefore, our assumption is we are able to pass through the raw material price increases, which would then lead to a, not an increase in the absolute EVDA, but changes in sales and the margin.

Thank you, guys.

The next question comes from Sebastian Ray from Bernberg. Please go ahead.

Hello, good afternoon, and thank you for taking my questions. My first one is on the polysilicon business and the semiconductor grade here. So, VACA looks like it has just over 50% market share in this area, and yet its market cap is dwarfed by most other significant players in the semiconductor industry, including players like Shinetsu. Can I discuss if there are any plans to increase the degree of market capture, of value capture here, either by pricing up on new customer contracts? It seems to, my guess is that some of the new volumes from the semi-line came in at high incremental pricing, or to partner the assets. There are a few players in the U.S., amongst them Tesla, that seem to be interested in the polysilicon value chain. My second question is on the silicones standards. Back in the 2018-2019 period, when there was last a big shortage of these products, from memory, WACKER had about 100 million of EBITDA, which was a temporary fly-up margin. I appreciate the European methanol prices on the input side have moved somewhat, but why wouldn't this also be the case in 2026? Thank you.

Okay, let me start with your first question on the semi side. Yes, I mean, as you know, I mean, semi-grade is a very successful business, and it continues to develop very positively. Volumes are up year over year, and we expect the same thing this year. The edging line is progressing very well. Long-term contracts are in place. And, of course, you can be sure that on the new pricing, on the new contracts, Of course, we try to improve our position. You know, your question on the market cap, I would say that it's not, in my view, not so much driven by the pricing or potential pricing increase on semi, but more on the overall strategy regarding the solar. And, I mean, at the moment we are in a phase where solar has a big question mark. We wait for the 232 decision, which could give a very clear decision where to go. And, you know, we have a very clear strategy on the semiconductor side and poly, that this is the future business for us. You also mentioned on the question on other opportunities. And, yes, I mean, there are obviously lots of big news around. And we have to see how these visions, at the end of the day, actually materialize. We are definitely happy to speak to anyone about new opportunities and what we can bring to the table.

On the silicones, Sebastian, I can take over. You mentioned the last shortage in silicon standards in 2018 and 2019. I think the last shortage was 21, 22. So there was one more reason. But the shortage was a shortage, and there I see the difference. What we are talking now today is that the methanol price goes up by, I think, not even 50%, but methanol is, in the cost structure, is the second largest raw material. After silicon metal, it's methanol, so it's below 20% of production cost. And that doesn't drive – if it has an impact, it would also lead to pass-through, first of all, because methanol is a global commodity. And also considering the specific situation that China imports also methanol from Middle East, I would also consider that China produces a lot of methanol from coal. So we haven't seen it. so much on the silicon standards side so far. There is a bit of an uptick in prices stemming from also price movements in China end of last year, and that now also comes through. So there is a firming up of prices in standard products. I wouldn't call it a shortage yet. And as a general remark, again, to focus on specialty products so the exposure to silicone standards is also not that big.

That's helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.

The next question comes from David Simon from BMP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Thank you. I think I'm only left with one rather short-term question which is could you just talk about how April trading compared to the second half of March? And I know it's not customary to guide on the second quarter, but could you potentially give some indication of whether you would expect it to be higher or lower than Q1? Thank you.

Okay, but Tobias, you saved this one for last. As we said, Q1 was positively influenced by pull-forward effects from customers ordering for their own supply chain. And as I said before, the impact was significant in March. So we had the spike in order entry in March, and that has, yeah, come down now again in April. So April is back at the level of January and February. So from that perspective, we are not giving a point guidance also for the second quarter. But if you take out roughly 20 million of pre-buying effects which supported our EBITDA in the first quarter, you definitely need to consider that. Amongst all the moving parts that we discussed, the first quarter was not yet affected by cost inflation, neither by our own price measures. And then you have a little bit of seasonality into the second quarter, but you also have typically have some maintenance ongoing in the second quarter. So I would summarize that overall the pull forward effects were one-off. They're borrowed from the second quarter, so I expect the second quarter to be lower than the first quarter.

Understood. Thank you.

As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star followed by one. The next question comes from Chetan Udeshi from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Yeah, hi. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question was just, you know, just going back to the previous question of David and you kindly gave us some indication on the order books. I was just curious, you know, would you say the orders are going down? Is it just a reflection of pre-buying going away or do you actually see You know, some customers, you know, just basically there is first sign of maybe demand destruction coming through at these elevated price levels. And the second question, you know, there has been this view that, you know, this may not be applicable as much to your silicones business perhaps, but maybe to your polymers, but The shortages of naphtha oil will be much more pronounced in Asia versus Europe, and hence you have more supply reductions in Asia, which will be good for European producers. And wakar is probably one of the more European exports in that respect. Do you see evidence of that? Do you see more evidence that your competitors are are having to shut production much more in Asia than what you've seen. So far, of course, you've not seen much production cuts in Europe, but do you see signs that some of your competitors in Asia are seeing bigger production cuts at this point?

Yes, here I can start with a second, which is specific to Asia. And I would argue, yes, there is. in the polymer segment, there are some competitors more impacted than we are. So that's the opportunity for us in a weak overall market environment to capture also some share. But I see that as temporary and you need to see how that develops over time. I think it's more complex to answer that question for Europe. Because Europe, I mean, there's not so much coming from, I mean, on the polymer side, I mean, you don't ship dispersions which are liquid and heavy from Asia to Europe. And powder also has a very limited impact on the European market. But on the silicon side, what I have heard is it's less of a reduced production from Asia, but also because of longer logistics from Asia to Europe, that there is a bit, I mean, the ships still arrived so far, but there might be a gap because there's just ships missing because they are stuck in the Middle East. And that's to be seen in the second quarter, but so far not material.

And if I follow up on You know, you source acetic acid, you source ethylene in Europe for your WAM production. With the big surge we've seen in the cost of WAM and acetic acid, what is your strategy? Are you still buying them? Are you buying the WAM itself from the market? How are you dealing with the very, very high raw material inventory in your polymer business in Europe especially?

As you said, Citan, we are a VAM producer and we are buying acidic, but we are also a net buyer in Europe of VAM. So we have more demand than we can cover with our captive production. And yes, for sure, we try to price at market prices because the VAM asset also needs to return on its capital that it's employed. But it's, as I said before, it's still early in the first quarter. We announced price increases. It needs to be seen how they materialize in the second quarter.

That's great. Thank you very much.

Yeah, and , that brings me to the, to your first question, as Tobias just pointed out. We have to see how these actually materialize in the second quarter. I mean, from today's perspective, as we said, I mean, the, the, The less order intake we see for Q2, especially for April, at the moment we would say has a lot to do with the pre-ordering, just moving the orders from April into March. So far I would not see demand destruction, but it's definitely an excellent point you brought up, and there's a lot of experts talking, economists on this, Where's the triggering point for demand destruction, especially in a weak market environment which we see today? I cannot give you a great answer on that. We don't see it at the moment, and I think Q2 and Q3 will be crucial on seeing how the order intake will develop, and also in respect to how the raw material prices will develop. But, yes, overall, I would say risks are today clearly higher than they were yesterday. And, yeah, we'll see.

That's a great comment. Thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Jörg Hoffmann for any closing remarks.

Thank you, operator. Thank you all for joining us today and for your interest in Wacker Chemie. Our next conference call for the second quarter 2026 results will take place on July 30th, 2026. As always, don't hesitate to contact the IR department if you have further questions. Thank you.

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