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good day and thank you for standing by welcome to the billerwood q1 report 2025 webcast and conference call at this time all participants are in the listen only mode after the speaker's presentation there'll be a question and answer session to ask a question during the session you will need to press star one and one on your telephone you will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised to withdraw your question please press star one and one again please be advised that today's conference is being recorded I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Lena Schattauer, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Hello and welcome to Billerud's Q1 2025 presentation. And thanks for joining us this morning. Billerud's President and CEO, Iva Vattne, and our CFO, André Kress, will hold the presentation. And after that, they will take questions from the conference call. So by that, I would like to hand over to you, Ivar. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Lena. And good morning, everyone. And thanks for listening in this Tuesday. I'm excited to present the Q1 results, which we think represent an encouraging start of 2025 for Billrude. And we certainly have plenty of results we feel good about. So let's get into it, please. And next slide. 2025 is the first year of our way forward strategy. Hence, I'm excited to see so many of our outspoken priorities already going into the right direction. Recorded net sales growth, 7% versus a year ago, with positive growth figures coming from both regions and almost all categories. We make a significant profitability improvement, EBITDA up 19%, and EBITDA up 42% versus a year ago with a margin uplift of two percentage points. Region North America continues to impress us and come in yet again with a very strong quarter. And 21% EBITDA, 15% sales growth, that is rock solid. But I also want to highlight region Europe. which also comes in with a clearly improved profitability with 15% EBITDA margin and that is 4 percentage points up versus a year ago. Our cash conversion and cash generation is greatly improved since comparable period last year and that is yet again what is highly important for us. We reached a milestone also in Q1 when we sold our first batch of locally produced container board in the US. And more on that later. Next slide, please. Now, to get a proper read of the market, and that can be a handful these days, but at least for Q1, the sentiment was pretty much what we had expected. with normal or normalized conditions for most categories and channels. So not strong, not weak, but somewhere right in the middle. Okay-ish demand and some upward pricing moves towards the end of the quarter. First and foremost in container board, sac, and graphic paper. The only exception to call out is carton board and the consumer luxury channel that is still performing weaker with slower demand and quite a lot of available capacity. Now, going into next quarter in Q2, we would expect more or less unchanged conditions from what we've seen so far in 2025. And we do have solid order books for most of our categories until the summer. Now, I want to highlight that this is short-term guidance for Q2 and not a reflection for the full 2025. Next slide, please. So, over to the topic that seems to be on everyone's lips these days, tariffs and implications. And I would start with probably the same narrative that most companies refer to, that if the situation is to stay long-term, Right now, it's too early to assess any financial impact with credibility. Now, having said that, Billruth is well-positioned and probably one of the better players within our industry. And looking at the direct impact, and starting with a region, North America, we have available production capacity at our US mills, ready to serve both current and new customers. We are placed in an attractive Midwest region with close proximity to a wide range of customers and can offer both high service levels and a reliable and predictable supply chain. And that is of key importance, not least since 25% of the category is imported in our competing paper crates. And for Europe, we only export around 2% of our total volume to North America, So our exposure is clearly limited. Now, the much more difficult question to answer is any potential indirect implications when you see changed trade flows for the full industry leading to a new competitive landscape. And it's too early to say anything, but there will quite likely be both opportunities and challenges coming to surface if the situation will prevail over a longer period of time. We will monitor the situation and adjust if needed and continue to focus on items we can control. So with that, I hand it over to André.

Thank you, Ivar. And we can take next slide, please. Good morning, everyone. So our total sales growth of 7% was supported by price increases in our Europe region. and volume growth in the North American region. For Europe, year over year, the volumes were down with 6%, while the pricing had actually a positive impact of 9%. And despite strengthening of Swedish krona during quarter one, the year over year FX impact on net sales was minimal. In North America, we had an excellent volume growth of 14%, and largely unchanged pricing versus a year ago. Next slide, please. Summarizing our profitability, it was on a solid level in the first quarter, and I'm particularly pleased with the profitability uplift coming from both regions. Our EBITDA margin improved with two percentage points versus last year. and was in line with our Q4 performance. Pricing was the main driver behind the uplift and more than offset total input cost increase. The input cost increase was primarily driven by the pulpwood costs in the Nordics. And strengthening of the Swedish krona during the first quarter of 2025 was a headwind. Revaluation of our receivables and payables balances had a negative impact of approximately 160 million in the first quarter. And as a reminder, the major impact was from revaluation of the payables and receivables balance, which is a one-off in nature now in the first quarter. And we do not expect the same impact heading into the second quarter. Now the positive other bucket is primarily favorable year-over-year effect from inventory revaluation. There was no major impact in the first quarter this year, but we had negative impact last year. And now let's move over to the regions. Next slide, please. So region Europe had a broad based sales growth across all categories, except liquid packaging board. Quarter one last year was a record high volume quarter for liquid packaging board. But with this year, so somewhat slower start to the year. Demand for liquid packaging board in Europe is a normal level, but exports to Asia are somewhat slower as expected. Pricing has been the key driver for profitability uplift for the region, and we will see impact from earlier announced price increases for container board and second craft segments starting from the second quarter this year. So in summary, strengthened performance for the region in the first quarter in line with the region's key objective to strengthen financial performance from existing asset base. And heading into the second quarter, we expect overall positive pricing impact of approximately 1% and volumes in line with the first quarter. Quarter two will be the heaviest maintenance shutdown quarter for the region. And we expect total cost impact of approximately 380 million compared to the 40 million we had now in the first quarter. And now let's move over to region North America. Next slide, please. As I mentioned, we had an excellent volume growth with volumes up 14% versus last year. And with that, also the highest sales volume in the quarter in more than two years. The volume improvement moved also our operating rates to 74% for the quarter. EBTA margin for the region improved significantly versus last year, entirely related to volume uplift and improved operating rates. The price increases we announced in the first quarter on coated free sheet reels will be materialized and we expect a positive pricing impact of around 1% for the region into the second quarter. At this point, expect flat volumes and operating rates for the region in the second quarter next slide please now we have an overall strategic objective for our region north america to evolve towards packaging materials and in that regard we reached an important milestone on that journey with first commercial sale of coated liner from our Kvinasec mill. We are now active with several trials with our existing and also new customers and expect to ramp up commercial volumes in the remainder of this year. Another part of this project is, of course, the capital investment program of 1.4 billion, and that is progressing according to plan. In 2025 the major investment will be made in upgrade of wood yard at Escanaba mill and also upgrade of the winders. These investments will enable large-scale production of paperboard at both of our mills in North America. So very good progress both from commercial and investment perspective and we will of course provide more updates on this journey as we go along. Next slide, please. A couple of words on cost development, and this slide illustrates the input cost movements in the first quarter for our both regions. So, seasonally higher energy costs in both regions and also pulpwood prices in Nordics were the headwinds. while all other input costs were flat to slightly down. And overall input costs were flat sequentially, with Europe being up by about 20 million, but that was offset by corresponding decrease in North America. Heading into the second quarter, we expect input cost tailwind in the region of 30 million, with majority of it being in Europe and driven by lower energy prices. And I would also like to comment on the pulpwood cost situation in Nordics. We are continuing to have all-time high pulpwood costs, but expect no changes in costs into the second quarter. Our view currently is that we now have much more balanced pulpwood market. which should support short-term price stability. On the fixed costs into the second quarter, firstly, we will have a full impact of annual wage increases, which means sequentially our employee benefit costs will go up with approximately 60 to 80 million into the second quarter. And also, we have a heavy maintenance schedule with a cost impact of around 380 million in the second quarter. Next slide, please. A couple of points on our cash flow. We had an expected working capital buildup in the quarter, and change in working capital was also in line with what we saw the last year. With that said, we did improve our cash conversion to 41% for the quarter. and we target 80% cash conversion for the year in line with our updated financial targets. And I'm also pleased with significant improvement in return on capital employed, with now return on capital employed being at 7% versus 1% last year, moving towards our target of above 11% over a business cycle. We maintain our solid balance sheet position with healthy leverage level. And we look to invest 3.5 billion in our operations this year, where approximately one third will be targeted towards strategic investments, primarily in North America. And now I would like to hand it back to you, Ivar. Thank you, André.

So to round it up, Uncertainty has increased since the beginning of the year, but we do enter Q2 with pretty stable market conditions for both regions. It is too early to assess any financial impact of tariffs if they will prevail long term, but we are well positioned with our industry, with local production in the US with available capacity, and only marginal export exposure from our Nordic mills into North America. And we do expect higher sales prices for the quarter with lower input costs. And as we tend to have, there is planned an extensive maintenance quarter in Q2, first and foremost here in region Europe. So with that, I hand it back to Operator for Q&A.

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Hi, thanks for the presentation. I'd just like to ask a couple about North America and Europe. So in North America, you mentioned the higher sales volumes in all the products and the strong margin. I know it's difficult to determine, but do you have any sense as to whether customers could have been bringing forward the orders, as we've heard from some other players, or are you seeing the good demand sustain into Q2 and the rest of 2025? And then in Europe, you said you expect normal conditions except for carton board and coated liner. What do you think it is about those products that's leading to the relative weakness? And what do you think we should be looking for in order to see carton board picking up? Thanks.

Yeah, hi, good morning, James. I think on the first port around North America, it's a good question. And I have to be boring in the sense of trying to be too clever of estimating long-term second half of 2025 into 2026. It's just not very feasible at this stage. I can confirm, as Andrea also went through, that Q2 looks solid. Order books are good. And we have no real signs of any inventory build-up or problems per se on the customer side to not be able to pass that through. But uncertainty has increased. Consumer sentiment in the US has taken a drop. But the key figures still are pretty good. So order books tend to be, at least for the coming months, in a good place, and that should enable us to deliver a strong Q2. But beyond that, it's very, very difficult to say anything certain. I think for Europe, and particularly if you go into carton board and consumer luxury, I think it's a bit of a... probably our view coming from Billrud, maybe more than what you will hear from some of the other players. We have a pretty large exposure into the premium side of carton board. And clearly that is categories, if you think about that as a fine fragrance or chocolate or champagne, et cetera, that tend to be more sensitive to consumer uncertainty. And I think that has still been a little bit of a wet cloth over the whole category and channel going into 25. I think if you couple that as well, there is quite a bit of available capacity out there in that field. It's just pointing towards that channel is still being a bit more difficult. It's not really bad, but it's certainly not. the more normal side as we have labeled the other categories.

That's helpful. Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Robin Santaverta from Carnegie. Please go ahead.

Yes, good morning. I was wondering if you could detail what price increases you have made in North America when it comes to your paper grades and when it comes to pulp.

Yeah, good morning, Robin. So in terms of the price increases in North America, these were announced during the first quarter in the beginning of the quarter, and it was up to 5%. on the coated free sheet reels, which is approximately 60% of our graphical sales in North America. And we are implementing those price increases starting from quarter two up to 5%. In terms of pulp, we announced $80 per ton price increase. They are to a large extent following the index and we will have some pricing impact now heading into the second quarter. Thanks.

Can you just, I know it's a bit of a speculation, but with the tariffs on imports, what are you hearing and seeing in the markets related to what the importers will do or what the exporters will do with their prices and could that open up an opportunity to more price increases or could you just sort of

uh give some color on those dynamics and what you see at the moment yeah hi uh good morning robin i can i can take that one um the question is good um and and i can say that probably we see all colors of the palette in terms of um yeah behavior at the moment that means that we see examples of uh exporters for the time being absorbing this uh tariff fully versus others passing it fully on and also other players choosing to go somewhere right in the middle. So I think it's not really a full theme that you see. I think it also depends a bit on the category and the competitive landscape. I think our view is that this will stay long term It's difficult to absorb it fully. And I think there is certainly some speculation going in in the industry players that they are thinking, hoping, probably combination, that this is still some kind of a short-term play and it might go out and they don't want to go overboard too fast. But again, this is where it starts to get more into speculation. It is not unreasonable to think that this could potentially open up for pricing opportunities if tariffs are staying at this level or they are increased in the long term. But again, right now, I think that's just more speculation than anything else tangible.

All right, thanks. And two quick technicals. Inventory revaluation Q2, Q1, Q1, what do you see? And also, just to clarify with regards to FX rates, what is the Q1Q earnings impact in Q2 that you see at the moment, including the receivables revaluation?

Yeah, I can take those, Robin. In terms of inventory revaluation, really no drama. I mean, we have previously talked about normal variation there of zero to 50 million, both on positive and negative 50 million. In quarter one this year, it was positive 20 million. So really no drama, but we had slightly higher inventory revaluation impact. last year, so that's why we had positive deviation year over year. In terms of FX and the impact heading into the second quarter. Now, first of all, we, as you know, hedge our FX exposure and we have approximately 80% of our Euro exposure hedged for the coming 15 months and closer to 70% of US dollar exposure. And now in the first quarter, the revaluation of our accounts receivables and accounts balances, payables balances, had the biggest impact. And that is determined by the FX rates on the last day of the quarter. So if we look at end of the first quarter FX rates, and assume that those rates prevail for the second quarter, we would have a positive impact of plus 200 million within other by not having the same hit on accounts receivables revaluation, but we would have a negative impact from transactions within Europe region of 100 million. So net a positive impact of 100 million heading into the second quarter. Again, this will be dependent on the rates ending up at the end of the quarter. So this is an early indication for Q2 impact now. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Linus Larsson from SEB. Please go ahead.

Thank you, and good morning, Jen. I'd like to continue on North America, if I may, and you have been commenting on the price increases in the coded fine reals business. Could you just talk us through what's going on with coded fine in sheets and the specialties business? What are the dynamics? Why aren't we seeing some similar price moves there? So that would be my first question, please.

Hi, good morning, Linus. I can take that one. I think the simple answer on the first one is on the parts of the graphic paper. You do have the quarter-free sheet sheets, as you mentioned. You also have the ground wood. But again, those are smaller in comparison to the free sheet walls. And that part of the business is certainly slower. It's also exposed to pretty heavy competition. So it's simply our view that that's categories which is much more challenging to take pricing in the same manner. I think on speciality the situation is a little bit different. I mean speciality is going well. As you know it's first and foremost our label business. I mean, we are fully sold out on the E3 machine then in Escanaba that we produced that on. Margins are still pretty good. There is also pretty intense competition pressure. There has been pricing moves also there for the last couple of years. So right now our view is that that market is still all right. It certainly something we continues to evaluate but right now there's no immediate plans to also do pricing on the speciality.

Okay and if you compare say the import share in these various categories how do they differ roughly?

Yeah, I can give you a bit more directional figure. It's around 25% on graphic paper, which we see is coming from import. And that is a bit of a diverse market. Where is it coming from? Quite a big piece is coming from Asia, but not the usual suspect. And this is actually Korea. It's a pretty big market. And it's also coming quite a bit in from Europe. Germany and Italy in particular. Also Finland. I think on speciality it's a bit higher. It's more in the 30-35% range of import share. And that we have mainly coming in from Finland. That's the big piece of import source on speciality.

Great, that's super helpful. And then just... Also in North America on volumes you had a pretty decent operating rate comparing history at least. In the quarter, do you expect that to increase going into the second quarter? And if you have any thoughts beyond the second quarter as well? And as part of that question, what type of contribution or what's the pace of ramp up in container board? Is that in any way meaningful? for the remainder of the year but maybe start with Q2 and then if you like some additional comment on the second half please.

Yeah I can take this Linus and good morning. So in terms of the volumes for our North American region as Ivar was mentioning earlier Really difficult to assess anything beyond quarter two. Right now we are looking into the second quarter and flat volumes compared to quarter one. This is the best estimate we have now based on continued solid order books in the region. In terms of the container board ramp up, as I mentioned, we have made the first commercial sale and are now in several trials. The uncertainty surrounding tariffs is certainly increasing interest in locally produced container boards. But we will just need to do the trials, prove ourselves with North American production within those segments and ramp up those volumes for reminder of the year. Anything to add?

No, I can just add quickly. I think, yeah, it's not going to be very meaningful volume now in the beginning. It's maybe not unreasonable to say that, you know, 15,000 tons for the full year might be... bit of a stretch goal that we put out for ourselves and most of that coming into second half of the year. I think margin-wise also for this it should be solid but it's not unreasonable to think that it will a little bit lower than the average that you see for the total region given that also that this period includes quite a lot of trial and errors and also re-loop of trying to get the qualification through. But we will come back to this with decent intervals to update on the progress and how we are doing.

That's great. Super helpful. Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Cole Harthorn from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Morning. Thanks for taking my question. I'd just like your Your thoughts on the European packaging market by area. I'm just wondering if you're seeing any kind of restock or ordering from customers because we're seeing quite a big divergence between US and European markets. I mean, the box data was something like down five in the US and it's been pretty robust in Europe. So I'm just wondering what you're seeing across Europe your container board segment, what you're seeing across stack and craft and any thoughts around customers kind of restocking or kind of any inventory effects impacting what is a decent Q1?

Hi, good morning, Cole. Again, another good question. And I think in general, we're not picking up any big worries or tangible items around inventory being built up But again, I'm continuing to kick in the most open door in the world that uncertainty has certainly increased. Consumer confidence is probably a bit more troublesome. And yeah, situation is certainly worried and what it might even then start impacting on consumer demand. It's just very difficult to say at the moment. But if I do a quick round the table, if you may, per category of what we're seeing right now. I'm in container board. Yeah, demand is what I referred to a bit earlier as lukewarm, right in the middle between strong and weak. And you probably expect that going into Q2. We have pretty specific niches also within our container board proposition, particularly And that is performing still well. We are moving up on pricing. I think also Andre touched on that on floating on coated lighter. But in general, situation is pretty okay. Uncoated liner still for us is doing relatively well. Coated liner is in that container board time is still a little bit of black sheep. It was weak going into the year and it's still relatively weak. That's also partly because A chunk of our coated liner is exported into US and surely that is now more troublesome with everything happening also on the tariffs. Carton board, I still come back to that is a bit weak and that's our part of it, but also a relatively high exposure to the more premium side of carton. Europe is doing all the right, maybe smaller steps that we could see improvement, but right now it's still on a relatively low level. We are taking some new business opportunities, specifically within the craft side of carton board. But also here, we do export some of it into the U.S. and say the situation there now is much tougher. Might create opportunities in Europe if there will be counter-tariff, some import from U.S. There is quite a lot of both virgin and recycled carton coming into Europe. But at the moment, we don't see any big impact either of counter-tariff or any implications there. On our craft paper and sack family, still solid. We had a good quarter in Q1. We would expect also relatively stable conditions going into Q2. Yes, some risk returns, but for us, at least it should not be too bad. We'll be pricing up the white sack and craft paper now with getting impact from Q2. The pretty normalized conditions on demand In our geographical site on paper, I mean, Central Europe, not necessarily doing too well. There's quite a bit of exposure there on some of our cement bags and construction is certainly now a bit more back to this wait and see mode. Latin America and Southern Europe for us is doing better. And in general, food for us within paper, so that will be dry food and any deliveries to food service are actually doing quite okay. Same for medical, good, smallest segment for us, but we're growing and, you know, good conditions. It is resilient channel. Ecom also pretty solid. And, you know, SACS in general, still with what I talked about, this turmoil around the construction, it's actually performing pretty okay. So, again, all in all, mostly stable, but slightly different temperature based on the category that at least we have exposure to.

That's very helpful, Cullen. And then maybe if I just follow up on how are you encouraging your sales team not to get carried away and kind of run production to demand? How are you kind of managing the risk so you don't overproduce if there is a demand softness, firstly? And then secondly, it is nice that you are not calling out incremental wood cost inflation for the first time in a long time. but your recycled peers are calling out higher waste paper costs. Are there any categories that you as a virgin producer might be able to benefit from better margin or future pricing?

Thank you. Why don't I start maybe on the first part, well on the last part. Maybe I should take that first. I don't know if there's any specific categories right away that comes to mind. I think there's always a bit of a delta between what you would expect from recycled versus virgin. And if that starts to go out of line, surely it creates kind of like this magical market, yeah, almost like a hand who take care of that. We don't really see that right now. It is so, as André also went through, that we are at all-time high prices for fiber. But, you know, the market is much more balanced and right now we would expect that to be pretty stable. So I have nothing further to add. Now on your first part, All I can say is, you know, it's quite linked into the strategy that we just launched, as you know, end of last year and the value of a volume. A cash generation is very important. We have a clear target to deliver 80% cash generation of our EBITDA. We're not going to be able to do that if you produce much more than what we sell. And this is a quite moving target because clearly if things change on the market, we need to adjust. I can say that we've gotten better of getting used to this over the last years with these fluctuations going quite hard. So I can only say that a cash generation is a very important target. We will continue to do that, and that should drive the sufficient discipline across the organization to not go overboard.

I don't know if there's anything else, Andre. No?

Okay.

Thank you. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Lars Schellberg from Sievel. Please go ahead.

Thank you for taking my question. Most of the ground has been covered, but I just wanted to come back to a bit your demand outlook, because it does seem, given all the uncertainty, relatively positive compared to what one maybe could have expected. So maybe rephrase the question a bit. Have you seen any changes in the order patterns as we enter increasingly more uncertain environments? And also, are you seeing any differences in the customer behavior in North America, where the consumer sentiment seems to be turning down quite sharply, while in Europe it seems to be holding up? So, any directional changes overall patterns, and any meaningful differences between the regions?

Yeah, hi, good morning, Lars. I can only reiterate the point because I think you're touching on something very important. The comments that we provide are first and foremost for the very short-term Q2 where we can say with pretty high certainty that should look pretty solid as we had in Q1. And we can say that also because our order books are still in a pretty solid manner. And that tend to be a very strong indication that we would land that quarter also well. It is very difficult to start predicting into second half. And we also saw that last year how things could change relatively fast going into the summer and then coming out of the summer. Situation might be a little bit different this time, but it's certainly something that we are extremely aware of how fast this can change. I mean, the main KPIs of the US economy are still solid. You know, production is well in general. It's a good low level of unemployment. So right now, there is nothing really that screams out short term. But as I already mentioned, The consumer sentiment has changed also in the US and it's taken a sharp dive downwards and to the level we saw in the pandemic. And that's clearly a sign that people are distressed, worried. And again, this uncertainty that the tariffs bring certainly doesn't help. So surely there is a question mark of the solidity of the North American business. When we're coming into second half or going into 26, but right now it's not something that we wanted to try to get any numbers into because it's just very very very difficult to do that. I think Europe, slightly different. I mean, you know that Europe economy has not performed as well as we've seen in North America for the last couple of years. I think there was a hope going into 2025 that with falling interest levels, you would start to see consumer confidence picking up. It may be a notch better still of what we saw for 2024, but I can only confirm that It is now starting to be shaky, more uncertain. And it's again, very difficult to say anything else than for the next couple of months. We don't see necessarily big change of consumer behavior, but we are picking up comments from certain customers to say that, hey, let's wait and see. Meaning again, from also the customer side, it's a little bit of a worry about how strong now the full end market release, and that's not what you want to hear. So there's surely also a question mark in both of the regions about a bit of this wait and see mentality, but nothing that should at least impact us going into Q2.

And just to be clear, you're not seeing any of those uncertainties in your orders as of yet? They continue to come at a fairly regular basis and no particular change from what it's been in the prior months?

Yeah, I can confirm that.

Then I just want to lean in a bit on liquid packaging packaging board, which of course you The only category in Europe that actually saw a decline Can you comment a bit about how that translates into mixed effects in your in your EBITDA margin But also should we read anything into this is this market behaving differently from the other markets or is there anything else that is driving that number down and for example, your price increases that you've implemented in Q1?

I can take that. Good morning, Lars. I mean, we will not comment profitability per our segments, but I mean, if we look at the situation here in the beginning of the year, we guided for lower volumes heading into the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter of 30,000 to 60,000 tons. We come at a lower range of that. And there were really two product groups impacting that. So first of all, half of it was market pulp, where we had very high deliveries in the fourth quarter. And now they are more on the normal level. And the second half of the decline was liquid packaging board. And liquid packaging board demand in Europe is looking solid, but we talked about high inventory levels in Asia and also slower demand. This is also what we experienced now during the first quarter. expect that to actually continue into the second quarter so a bit slower demand in Asia also due to tough competition and generally lower demand from the end customers a final question for me then if you look at on the carton segment of course store has now added

started to launch the older product are you seeing any heightened competition I mean you commented that demand remains weak of course right now we've got incremental supply does that make any difference or not I don't think that piece yet would impact but it also saw that when you ramp up a new facility it takes time to get to the certain grades which can match some of our more premium propositions, but there is no doubt that that would be another pillar a bit further down into the future that, yeah, again, put more capacity out there. But right now we don't. The other caveat just to add on this is, again, if these tariffs will stay and also there will be potentially some importers into Europe, It could also then just open up some new opportunities and challenges. Again, a lot of the export of carton board from US goes to Europe, and we would expect that to change the whole flow within the industry, but nothing that we see big signs of at this point in time.

Understood. Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Johannes Grunzelius from D&B. Please go ahead.

Yes. Hello, everyone. It's Johannes here. I have a question on the volumes in Europe, which were down, I think it was 5% here year over year. Is the volumes or shipments influenced by your sort of pricing strategy or being very price disciplined or this Or does this sort of reflect your end market development?

Hi, good morning, Johannes. I can start by taking that one. I mean, in general, as you know, we've had a pretty clear outspoken strategy that we also talked in the capital market about value over volume. And we do evaluate continuously certain positions that we just want not be able to fight for, given the low margin that it potentially generates. But I think in the case of what we see right now, I think André also touched upon it. We came from a Q4 level where the pulp sales was unusually high. That's much more now on a normalized level for Q1 and onwards. This has also been a little bit dropped in the liquid packaging. which is again related to higher inventory levels and more fierce competition in particular in Asia. Most of the categories is performing well. Equip packaging in Europe is performing well. So there's not a lot of movements that we have that. Also keep in mind the Q1 last year comparable base was very, very high because some unusual one-off deliveries. But yeah, this is now the level that we saw in Q1. We would expect pretty much for Q2 as well.

Okay. Yeah, that's helpful comments. Thanks for that. I also have a question on your ramp-up of packaging now in the US. If you could remind us about what kind of volumes you are foreseeing for the coming quarters. I mean, does it have any sort of real impact on the divisional earnings or even group earnings, or is it more smaller numbers, smaller dollar tickets? Yeah, thanks.

Yeah, I can repeat that one. We have a, call it a stretch target of around 15,000 tons for the full 2025. That should come first and foremost in second half of the year. So that is not significant. But again, you have to start somewhere. And it should be gradually coming up quarter by quarter. And clear ambition that going into 26 should be more. But right now, for 25, this should not be in any way a meaningful impact of either the region or the group.

Okay. Thank you very much for helping me. Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Martin Melby from ABG Sundal Collier. Please go ahead.

Yes, good morning. A couple of questions. First, clarifications on FX. So you say plus 100 million. Is that also including the underlying FX exposure? Or is that just the FX hedging, quarter to quarter, and the inventory revaluations, etc.? ?

Yes, Martin. Good morning. So the positive 100 million is really a combination of two things. Negative impact of 200 million within other or currency hedging, et cetera, as we report. And positive 100 million within Europe region. And that's the transactional exposure we have in the Europe region.

There's also covering the underlying exposure. So the quarter to quarter effect from FX is plus 100 for you.

Yes. Again, based on the currency rates at the end of the first quarter, which will, and of course, the revaluation will be determined by the FX rates at the last day of quarter two.

Excellent. Second question. So there have been several pulpwood price increases announced, yet you say that the price will be flat for you in Q2. Does that mean that there is no price increase or does it mean that you have a lag and you get it in Q3, Q4?

Yeah. So in terms of the pulpwood, there were price increases or priceless changes announced during the first quarter. First of all, if we look at who announced or the players that announced, we do not source that much from these suppliers, which means that if we look at our sourcing mix and our outlook for quarter two, we see stable pulpwood prices for our part. We would not stretch to any comments into the second half. As I said, for now see much more stable situation on the pulpwood market in terms of demand and supply, which should support more stable pricing also going forward.

Excellent. And a similar question on output prices. So there's 1% price increase in Q2. You have announced more on Sackcraft and Culted Fine in the US. Is there a spillover effect in Q3 or is everything handled in Q2?

The absolute majority of it is within Q2. And again, those are parts of the segments. So 1% is for the whole region so it's one percent both for Europe and one percent for North America but of course the announced price increases are not on all the categories so sure thank you thank you as a reminder if you would like to ask a question please press star 1 and 1 on your telephone keypad we will now go to the next question

And your next question comes from the line of Oskar Lindström from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning. Really just one question left here for me. And that's talking a little bit about how you will handle the more long-term effects of the strengthening of the Swedish krona versus euro, US dollar. I mean, this will... everything else being equal, move your mills relative to foreign competitors up on the cost curve. Maybe not immediately, but once hedges have run out. Do you see the need for you to take further action in terms of either more incremental cost reduction or perhaps structural actions to mitigate the cost increase or the worsening competitive position of your mills in Sweden?

Yeah, I can start and maybe Andre jumps in. I mean, it's another good question. I can say the following, though, that, you know, to also give it perspective, right? I mean, we had a weakening Swedish corner for more than 10 years. And that certainly also helped in many ways the competitiveness, you know, for Swedish export business. And, you know, now it's gone slightly the other way around. And I think in that sense, it's not a major drama for us. We don't have tremendous exposure into, you know, US dollar. But I can say that as a more of a principle, more as a kind of overall theory, that if you would see the Swedish coroner appreciating more against both the euro and the dollar, you know, that just means that we need to evaluate the options. And that could be everything from further going into pricing, as I think you alluded to, absolutely right, what even further can we do with internal cost base, as if this is just the Swedish coroner phenomenon, it does impact the competitiveness. So, you know, right now, not anything that causes a lot of alarms and drama for us. But again, if it will stay, accelerate and also, you know, spread in many ways to the euro, surely that is something that people then look what options could be and probably answer is a mix of certain actions.

All right. Thank you. And then just a more of a check with Andre on the bridge going into Q2 just so that I have everything or that we have everything. So you said price is up 1%, energy costs down, and then volumes flat, and then wages between 60 and 80 million negative in the quarter, and then FX positive 100, and then maintenance negative, I guess, 330. Is that a good summary of the impacts that we should have? Yeah.

No, that's a good summary, Oscar, of what we went through. Yes.

And on the ramp up in North America for the packaging, is that going to give any one-off costs or heightened OPEX either in Q2 or second half for that matter?

No, it shouldn't. The only thing to keep in mind is when we build up new positions, as we will do in this case, tend to be a bit margin derivative on the total. So again, the margins probably should be a little bit below the average we see for the region. maybe a bit longer payment terms to get our foot fully through the door. But given this is so marginal, now at least for 25, this shouldn't impact and move the needle in any shape and form.

Wonderful. Thank you very much. Those were my questions.

Thank you. There are currently no further questions. I will hand the call back to the room.

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