speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Good morning everyone. Thank you for dialing in and for those of you listening at the late time, thank you for listening. Welcome to CEBUS's Q3 2024 results presentation. Presenting today as always from our Stockholm office is our CFO, PLN Olofsson. You'll be hearing shortly and I, Christian Fredriksen. So, what have we been up to this quarter? Quite a lot actually. Every quarter is busy for CEBUS, but this one has been especially busy. We focused on delivering shareholder value in several ways this quarter, including talking from the left to the right here. We carried out the 10% mandate and issued approximately 5.7 million new shares. That was done at a 20% premium to NAV and we thank our investors for their support in our growth ambitions going forward. Talking of growth ambitions, we see attractive acquisition opportunities in the market and we have a strong pipeline which we've been building since early 2024 and we continue to add on it daily. So far in 2024, we have made acquisitions for about 500 million Swedish kronor, that's about 43 million euro, where about 410 million Swedish was done now in the second half of the year. And then we of course are using cash resources from the directed share issue for further acquisitions going forward, that's the plan. During the quarter, we continue to increase our earnings capacity per share. That's the fifth consecutive quarter. We have managed to increase earnings capacity, which we're very happy about, but we're calculating that, you know, on the old number of shares, i.e. before the directed share issue and we're doing that because we haven't, at the end of the quarter, had time to new funds from the directed share issue on the 10th of September. During the quarter, we have also been working actively refinancing and hedging. As you know, we aim to create stable cash flows and we've actively used the low interest rate dip we saw during Q3 to enter into new hedging. So we've hedged about 84 million euros of interest rate hedging. Among other things, we've done two new swaps at 1.86 and 1.99 percent fixed rate, respectively. We have also refinanced the bank loan of 83 million euros with a senior bank and that was at a lowered margin than we had previously for this loan and portfolio. And that old margin was from 2020, which was pre-COVID and also was an attractive or competitive bank market at the time. So I think this proves that the banks are supporting us and find our asset class and our and our company an attractive borrower. During quarter, we've also paid out the quarterly, the dividends paid out on a monthly basis. So this quarter's share of 0.9 euros per share, annual dividends. So we paid out 0.22 euros per share during the quarter. So we've kept ourselves busy. So a bit of some financial summary for the quarter. Rental income increased about 2 percent, net operating income increased about 3 percent. That's excluding non-recurring income in the comparative quarter from Q3 2023. Profit property management was about 14.2 million euros, excluding non-recurring items and FX rate changes. Profit for the period was a negative minus 5.5 million euros, mainly due to unrealized changes in property values and of course a big movement in the large share of our rates hedged. So, my favorite slide, or one of my favorite slides, it says exactly what we do, convert to yield and that's what we continue to do. Then a bit about CBUS. We convert food into yield. We're a real estate company focused purely on daily goods properties. We integrate stable cash flows, listed in Stockholm since 2018. We have a market cap of around 1 billion euros as it stands now. We're the only listed pure daily goods real estate vehicle in the Nordics. We have several non-listed and private real estate vehicles, many of them institutionally owned, especially in Sweden, which I'll get back to later. We've grown from Finland and they're grown in Sweden, Denmark and Norway. On the map you can see the new additions to our portfolio during Q3 and the acquisitions we've done at post the end of Q3. I'll tell you more about those later. So, our expansion timeline from a Finnish supermarket portfolio company in 2018 to Pan Nordic player where we are today and then we are back in acquisition mode since early part of this year. So, just to flick through some of our around 450 assets, we've selected a number of photos here from each country. So, in Finland these are some of our approximately 260 assets in Finland. Some examples of our approximately 40 assets in Denmark and these are figures from year end by the way, our year end report. Some examples of our assets in Sweden, not always that sunny in Sweden, unfortunately not year round and some of our examples of our smalls portfolio in Norway. We have about 20 properties. And then moving on to the acquisitions we've done this year. So, so far this year we've acquired properties for about 500 million Swedish kronor, that's about 43 million euros. All transactions which we do are cash earnings per share creative transactions and that means that the yield we receive is higher than our financing costs including costs on dividends. We've acquired 15 assets and the wall for this this portfolio of assets that we buy on an average is about nine years. Total area about 32 000 square meters and an average price of about 1350 euros per square meter which is a low average price. Then moving into a bit more detail on each of the portfolios per country. We've acquired in Denmark for about 14.5 million euros. It was a sale in its back from the grocery chain, Gagrofa, which is one of our largest tenants and the largest tenant in Denmark. These assets were five ex-ALDI stores. ALDI is a German retailer which withdrew from the market after many years. We withdrew from the market in Denmark after many years and the stores were, most stores were sold to REMA 1000 but a number of stores were due to competitive reasons sold to other grocery retailers and for example these were sold to Gagrofa. Which has then turned them from ALDI stores into their own concept stores Spa and Nenu. Average size 1280 square meters which is kind of a supermarket size in Denmark. Newly converted as mentioned with long leases 100% daily goods and an acquisition price of about 2300 euros per square meter. I think the two main takeaways from this acquisition are that it was a sale in its back that proves that we are an appreciated partner to our grocery tenants and a liked owner for their very important operational infrastructure. Which is of course their store network. I think this transaction also proves that the stickiness in locations for our kind of real estate, our supermarket real estate. That when a chain or a grocer leaves as ALDI did in this case, in most cases someone else steps in. If you have a good retail and grocery location then what the actual sign is that doesn't really matter that much for the local customers. They will find their way to this store again if the new tenant is a good and active grocer who can have a and can support their offering is suited for the local market. So I think those are the two main takeaways from this deal of course and also that we can do nice cash earnings for share creative transactions in Denmark. Moving on to Finland. In Finland we have bought three modern or newly built or about to be built properties in urban locations. 5500 square meters average size 1830. The average size it pulled out a bit due to the small urban location in Helsinki. Which is the K-market Nihti as you can see there that's a data generated picture but the building is actually built now. That's an urban redevelopment in central Helsinki. It's an old harbor area now converted into a very attractive waterfront residential location with rail bound traffic. I've been looking through this as a portfolio. The Walt is high almost 13 years and that's usual when you build a new store. It's usually in our markets to get a 10 to 15 year lease and then that after a while reverts to maybe a three to five year kind of rolling lease. 100% daily goods acquisition price of 2700 euros per square meter which is a slightly higher price but of course newly built assets. Looking at the three K-market Nihti we've talked about. The first one is the S-market in Bjarneborg in Swedish. Now it was built in 2022 for S Group. Then the third asset is a asset in Kauvodad in Södra Österbotten. A property which is being built right now and completed in 2025. I think the main takeaway from these assets we bought and this acquisition is that we have opportunities to buy modern assets for us at attractive yields and cash on the share creative levels. And speaking of long leases I think it's important to stress that long leases are nice and new and everyone likes new shiny assets. But that doesn't mean that we're shying away from shorter leases. Our average world is five years and has been throughout the company's history and we foresee that to be stable over time. What happens in a grocery location is that even if leases become a bit shorter after a while then the market is in equilibrium. The local market has found its place. The local supermarkets found its place. Customers find their way to the store. Competitors know what other competitors are doing and things settle down to a very stable turnover development. That's my picture of most locations in the Nordics for supermarkets and groceries. Then we carried out one acquisition in Sweden for about six and a half million euros. It's a modernized Citygross which is a privately held chain which was recently acquired by the listed retail and grocery group Axfood. A Citygross market share in Sweden was about 3.7 percent but now taken over by Axfood and Axfood have said that they are looking to keep the Citygross brand and they've been looking for a hypermarket format in their portfolio. Axfood has been very successful lately with especially the Billis concept which is a discount food location and concept and they've been looking for a hypermarket concept for quite some time which they've now managed to get their hands on. It's a large asset almost above 11 000 square meters. Citygross is the largest tenant but there are other tenants in there as well. There's a wall that's almost six years but Citygross is in a much longer lease than that and the acquisition price was very low as seen here 480 euro per square meter and that's a combination of low rents and high yield. It's our first hypermarket in Sweden which increases our diversification in our Swedish portfolio and the main takeaway here is that the very interesting level of creativeness for us and there's more potential in the building and on the site as it has a large lamp plot. So this slide many of you will recognize this is our properties at the end of Q3, 452 properties, property value of approximately 1.8 billion euros. Our earning capacity has increased as we mentioned 115.1 million euros and just shy of a million square meters of lessable area. Our tenant share of our NOI hasn't changed much but so in each country we still have the largest grocery tenants in each market as our tenants. We talked about we create stable cash flows and what do we mean by that? Well it means that we on every single line if this were an income statement we try and create stability. So we focus purely on daily goods properties which are a non-signal business type, a business area. We focus on daily goods tenants 84% of our rental income is from daily goods tenants, 97% of our properties are anchored by daily goods tenants and when we say anchored it's most often the only tenant. As you see our average size is of our assets are 2200 square meters which is a supermarket size and most of the other rental income is from something adjacent to a supermarket i.e. maybe a hairdresser's, a dry cleaners or a flower shop or something similar which you'll find in kind of adjacent to a supermarket alcohol monopolies which you have in the Nordics or a pharmacy etc. 99% of our rents are linked to CPI and then we have a steady world as mentioned and we have a very stable store location stability and then we also create stable cash through diversification, geographical diversification within each country in four countries. We have a very diversified portfolio when our asset is larger than .7% of our net operating income and then we have a small average property size. On the cost side of things we have 90% of our leases are either net or triple net which shelters us from property costs increases and then on financing side of things 97% of our interest rate hedging is interest rate hedged and we use diverse funding sources. Earnings capacity, we are proud and happy to show that our earnings capacity per share has continued to grow now for the fifth consecutive quarter and is now 0.99 euros per share when counting the previous number of shares before the share issue on the 10th of September. And why is earnings capacity growing? Top line indexation growth which we'll get back to a bit later. The outcome of the bond refinancing we did earlier this year where we have started to call and repay the old more expensive bonds and then now we're also carrying out cash earnings per share accretive acquisitions. In these results we had our Swedish exhibitions which we did in May in the figures. Looking at our share price performance, I'm happy to see the share price performing so well up 55% since our Q4 report in the earlier this year. Very liquid share, 51 million of SEC traded daily and about 2500 transactions per day. Looking at our shareholder list it is more or less unchanged. You recognize these names both well-known institutions, equity index funds and real estate equity specialists along with a few generalists we see starting to pop up in our shareholder list and we're proud to have almost 54 000 shareholders. So over to Pia-Lena and the financial overview.

speaker
PLN Olofsson
CFO

Thank you. So let's start with some of the significant events during this quarter. The 22nd of July we updated our MTM program which we do every year. The 13th of August we announced that we redeemed our September 2025 green SEC bond as of the 6th of September. The 10th of September we completed our directed share issue raising 927 million SEC. The subscription price was 162 SEC per share and was to a 20% premium to net asset value of the F-Liner D. The 23rd of September we acquired five works in Denmark and after the period we have acquired additional property, three in Finland which we announced the 23rd of October and one grocery store in Sweden which we announced the 29th of October. We have some key figures for the quarter. Rental income grew with 2% to 30.4 million euros, net operating income grew with 3% to 29.2 million euros if you exclude the non-recurring income from the Q3 2023 figures. We have called two out of our three bonds that mature at 2024 2025. And so the last one is called we have double interest costs since the bonds were refinanced in advance. The interest cost for the old bonds amounted to minus 759,000 euros during the third quarter and this is not classified as a non-recurring item. So when all the bonds are called we will not have this cost. Profit from property management in Q3 2024 excluding non-recurring costs and exchange rate effects amount to 14.2 million euros. If we go into details as said before the Q3 2023 figures include a non-recurring income of 2.7 million euros which was attributed to compensation from product developers in Denmark as well as compensation in connection with a council acquisition in Finland. Net financials include a non-recurring expense of minus 527,000 euros for early redemption of a bond maturing in September 2025 as well as an exchange rate change of minus 475,000 euros. The unrealized change in property value was minus 6.3 million euros and it's attributed to Finland and Denmark. And the main reason however why we have a negative earning for the quarter is due to the unrealized changes in value of the derivatives and this was due to sharply falling market interest at the end of the quarter. Occurrent earnings capacity shows a net operating income of 115.1 million euros which is an increase of 2% since 1st of October last year. Profit from property management minus the expense for the hybrid bond and adding back the non-cash isons amount to 66.5 million euros or 0.99 euros per share which is an increase of 6% since 1st of October 2023. Earning capacity has increased with 2 euro cents per share since last quarter. Looking at the net operating income in a comparable portfolio, indexation and other increases amount to 3.7%. Indexation though probably in a lower pace will increase net operating income in a comparable portfolio going forward. The other segment is countries. Finland is still the largest market with 68% of NOI. Sweden and Denmark both contribute with 14% each and Norway is the smallest market with 4% of NOI. Looking at the balance sheet, property value was slightly below 1.8 billion euros. Secure debt was 886 million euros giving a loan to value on secured debt of 50.2%. Unsecured bonds were 212 million euros giving a net loan to value of .6% which is below our finance policy target of between 55 to 65% LTB. LTB is expected to rise as we grow through acquisitions. Other net assets include our large cash position of 134 million euros at the end of the third quarter. Net asset value, EPRNRV was 749 million euros or 11.9 euros per share. The vault continues to be stable around five years and was 4.8 years at the end of the third quarter. As you've seen as Christian said the acquisition we've done after the quarter has longer vaults. If you look at funding, bank financing continues to be the largest part of SEBOS external funding which close to 80% of funding. The average credit margin was .6% at the end of the third quarter. During the quarter we have refinanced a bank loan of 83 million euros at a lower margin. The new margin is in line with the average credit margin. Other bank loans that mature within 12 months is expected to be refinanced in the fourth quarter this year. Regarding bonds we're able to call the third and last bond that matures in December 2025 which has a margin of 7% of a euro award. After it has been called the next majority for a senior unsecured bond will be in February 2027. For SEBOS stable cash loans are very important. SEBOS has a high degree of hedging and during the third quarter we made use of the inverted interest rate curve and did additional hedging of 84 million euros at attractive levels. Even if it looks like the market interest rates are falling we do like stability and considering if there would be an increase of the market interest rates with one percentage point this would affect SEBOS profits with minus 660 000 euros on an annual basis. Looking at our key credit metrics and NetLTV was 54.6%. Net debt to EBITDA at 9.3 times and these metrics are lower due to the direct to share issue that was made the 10th of September and these ratios as we said before are expected to rise as we roll through acquisition. Interest covered ratio is still stable at 2.2 times and this is due to high degree of hedging. SEBOS generates stable cash flow so we can pay out dividends on a monthly basis to our shareholders. SEBOS receives its rents on a monthly or quarterly basis in advance and part of this cash flow is distributed to our shareholders. Dividend yield was .8% with the share price at the end of the quarter which was 176.10 SEK per share. Over to you Christian.

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Thank you Pia-Lena and then looking a bit into the future but let's start by looking at the market for our tenants where they are right now and the competitive landscape they have every day. So just looking at the grocery markets in the Nordics one can see here that there are in each market in the Nordics there's three main types of retail and or grocery tenants. They are the independent retailers like Ica, Kesco, DaGrofa and Rema 1000. Then you have the cooperatives Coop who are present in all markets in Finland they're called S Group the cooperative and then there's the integrated chains like Axfood in Sweden and Lidl in several countries. So that's the kind of tenants that we have and who we let our buildings to and characteristics in these markets are that the markets are dominated by a handful of large daily goods chains operators who have bargaining power towards their suppliers, strong store networks and efficient logistics chains because if you boil down grocery retail in a very easy way and I'm sure the retailers wouldn't agree on me that it's this easy but what it's about is buying things and procuring items cheaply transporting them through logistics chain in an efficient manner and price effective manner and then selling the goods at a good margin in an extensive store network. That's really what grocery retail is about and that's a store networks are of course very important for all grocery players and what's important to say that that even if there's a few players with high bargaining power on the procurement side and on the store network side of things there's very high competition on local store level in all of our very mature markets towards the customers. Customers can choose from in very very many locations for almost a handful of grocery stores in their local market. Another trend we also see is that the grocery retailers seem to be winning the race for online shopping for grocery. It seems to be very difficult to make money and good profits and sustainable profits if you are a pure online player as we've seen a number of the restructurings going on for example in Markham right now in Sweden but the grocery players themselves seem to be managing to make at least profits or maybe if they're not making money then they're still supplying the omnichannel experience to their customers because they have a store network they have logistics etc which seems to be in the way that works. Click and collect seems to be a good way forward and also home delivery from stores. It seems to be a chosen route for e-commerce in all but the very very most urban locations and densely populated capital regions. So that was a bit about the market. For us the future outlook on ESG still very important of course for us. Within daily good sustainability is high on the agenda for consumers retailers and for us. We're working towards our CO2 our carbon dioxide neutral target in 2030. Where we feel we can do the most good is energy consumption. We have very many net leases as you know so we're working side by side with our tenants for energy efficiency and solar production and installing more and more solar panels. To the right top you can see a picture of our property in Boxholm where we have our tenant Coop who is buying the electricity created in from the new solar panel production plant on the roof. That's about 71,000 hours per year in production from that site. ESG we're also working on the reporting and financing side of things. We've completed our double materiality analysis and we aim to include CSRD reporting in our 2024 sustainability report. We have our green framework and sustainability linked framework in place and the new bonds we've issued during 2023 have been under the green framework. As mentioned before grocery real estate and grocery is an important social infrastructure. Daily goods are important part of sustainable and resilient society. Getting people food on the table in all times is very very important but it's also a physical meeting place in the modern world. It's a place where mental health is upheld and where you can meet people and have a chat and an interesting phenomenon we see now and amongst a couple of chains is the slow cashier. So it's a cashier where there's a sign which says basically here you can take it slow no need to rush have a chat with the cashier before you leave. That kind of shows the importance of the store network and grocery retail and we aim to create accessible and safe marketplaces together with our tenants. Part of the social infrastructure and then moving forward the last slide for today. Overall we want to and we continue to grow earnings capacity per share. Not only by acquisitions but acquisitions is a big part of that course going forward but we work in all parts of the business in order to create more earnings capacity per share. We're carrying out cash earnings per share creative transactions. We have a strong pipeline with interesting opportunities in existing markets and we're actively evaluating new markets in continental Europe and in we are looking at the markets which remind us of our Nordic markets i.e. markets where there is a handful of strong tenants and retail players and grocery players who are fighting it out over the customer's market share. We continue to work with balance sheet optimization refinancing and hedging as .E.L. As I mentioned looking to refinance bank loans we're working on that right now. I feel there's a strong interest from senior banks for our assets and to finance us. We have competent experience employees who are taking action daily and we're committed to deliver share of the value by converting food into a market. So that was the final slide for us. Time for some Q&A if there are any questions. Thank you.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Operator

If you wish to ask a question please dial pound key five on your telephone keypad to enter the If you wish to withdraw your question please dial pound key six on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Svante Kroxas from Nordea. Please go ahead.

speaker
Svante Kroxas
Analyst, Nordea

Good morning Kristin I'm .L.E. and I thank you for the presentation. Good morning. Start with the question. You had some divestments in the quarter could you give some details on that?

speaker
PLN Olofsson
CFO

Yeah sure there were four small non-strategic empty buildings in Finland that we value.

speaker
Svante Kroxas
Analyst, Nordea

So something like below 10 million euros totally.

speaker
PLN Olofsson
CFO

Yeah very small. Very very small.

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Empty assets which have been empty for quite some time.

speaker
PLN Olofsson
CFO

Yeah okay.

speaker
Svante Kroxas
Analyst, Nordea

Thanks then regarding your your expansion plans I guess the Nordic market is still very very fragmented so what's the actual reason why you're looking at continental Europe also what do you believe your edge is outside of the Nordics?

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

And yes the market in the Nordics is still very fragmented and there's opportunity to grow. What we see are some interesting opportunities in continental Europe which we are looking into if that could be something for us. I think our edge is we are a specialist player. We know and we understand the grocery retail side of things. We understand how the markets work for our tenants. We understand our tenants thinking why they need to evolve and how to change their concepts to a changing consumer world and we feel confident that that's something we can move on also in continental Europe. We wouldn't go too far from home where markets may behave in a different way than what we are used to. So we like the markets as mentioned where there's a handful of players tenants fighting it out for market share but also of course stable economies, stable zoning plans and the real estate regulations and kind of a functioning real estate market from a legal point of view.

speaker
Svante Kroxas
Analyst, Nordea

Thank you and what about Norway? It's quite small part of your portfolio. Is there limited acquisition opportunities? Is competition increasing or how should we look at it?

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

No I would say that there's assets to look at in Norway also but the yield spreads are not as attractive in Norway as they are in other countries we are present in and are looking at. Yields in Norway are about the same as in Sweden for example but financing costs are about 100-150 basis points higher so yield spreads are just smaller. We'd love to grow in Norway as well as I said it's only four percent of our portfolio we'd love to grow there as well but what an advantage we have of being pan Nordic is we can compare on a day by day basis where yield spreads are most attractive for us across our markets and so far that hasn't been in Norway.

speaker
Svante Kroxas
Analyst, Nordea

So it's purely a Norwegian interest rate issue then?

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Yes we have nothing against the Norwegians or on the contrary it's a lovely country.

speaker
Svante Kroxas
Analyst, Nordea

And it appears that you will put money into work in Q4 already is that a fair assumption to make? I think you have two billion kronas a bit below than 200 million euros in capacity.

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Yes we are working on our strong pipeline and trying to execute on that as fast as we can but also doing things in an orderly and a structured manner of course.

speaker
Svante Kroxas
Analyst, Nordea

Okay thank you that is all from me.

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Thank you Sante.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Operator

The next question comes from Frederick Stensved from ABG Sundal Kolia. Please go ahead.

speaker
Frederick Stensved
Analyst, ABG Sundal Kolia

Perfect morning all thanks for taking my questions. I would like to start with the recent acquisitions so maybe if we start with Sweden and Denmark can you share any any figures in terms of rental value or NOI or acquisition yield maybe also the occupancy rate in Sweden?

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Yeah we start with Denmark. We're not announcing anything or mentioning anything about yields or rent levels but what can be said is for a sale and lease back of course it's important for the local tenant to sign a long lease at levels which are at market levels in my view and also at levels which are sustainable for them over time even with the inflation increases. So we're not spreading any light on the acquisitions more than they are their cash earnings per share accreted and there's nice opportunities in the market to do deals right now. You asked about occupancy there it's 100 occupied in Denmark. In the Swedish acquisition there is a small expansion area which is vacant but otherwise it's fully left.

speaker
Frederick Stensved
Analyst, ABG Sundal Kolia

All right and then if we move to the acquisitions in Finland I appreciate that there are three of them. So maybe and I have a couple of different questions but maybe if we start with sort of the the Kesko in Helsinki when is that set to open or when will sort of the rental contribution start and is there any sort of rental discount in this one or in the other one also scheduled for completion during 2025?

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Yeah when talking about Helsinki rental income is already coming but the shop has not yet opened. So they're paying rent but then haven't opened the store yet I believe it's later this year but I actually don't know the exact opening date I know they're paying rent. Understood. And you asked about rental discount yes it's market standard when you sign a new long lease and open a new store that there are some rental rebates for a very short period of time I would say that's market practice.

speaker
Frederick Stensved
Analyst, ABG Sundal Kolia

And so that's true also for the other acquisition where the construction is ongoing and the completion is scheduled for Q3. Yes. Understood. On that theme or sort of the acquisition where there is construction work ongoing do you assume any development risk in case of delays or overruns or is this with the seller?

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

This is with the seller. There's a signed lease we're not taking any development risk as long as the project continues to deliver as it should then we're not taking on any

speaker
Frederick Stensved
Analyst, ABG Sundal Kolia

development risk. All right and then finally on the transactions the press release mentions 14.8 million in acquisition is that the total spend including the construction cost or is it the acquisition price only?

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Good question that's the total spend including construction cost.

speaker
Frederick Stensved
Analyst, ABG Sundal Kolia

Understood then maybe following up on the previous questions I mean you mentioned strong acquisition pipeline ahead you have two billion of headroom you're working as fast and prudent as possible when is sort of your best guess on when this this two billion will be fully deployed?

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

It's a bit too early to say what we can say is we have ongoing processes and if things turn out well if the money will be or the funds will be deployed but I don't want to give any promises because the transactions do take time and the transactions can fall apart if agreement is not we're in no pressure or hurry to conclude transactions which are not favorable to us.

speaker
Frederick Stensved
Analyst, ABG Sundal Kolia

All right and then finally maybe a question for you Pia-Leana you mentioned that a recently re-refinanced bank loan was done at a lower credit margin but in line with sort of the group average if we look at the the upcoming bank refinancing during the next 12 months which you are working on now as you stated and the credit margins in those should we expect any any changes to where they are right now?

speaker
PLN Olofsson
CFO

I mean we haven't finalized the refinancing yet but we have good discussions with the bank

speaker
Unidentified Speaker
Unknown

so

speaker
PLN Olofsson
CFO

I do hope that we will be in line or below the average margin on the refinancing but they are not finalized yet.

speaker
Frederick Stensved
Analyst, ABG Sundal Kolia

Right so but I mean if you end up in in in line with the group average would that mean a a lower margin for those loans specifically i.e. are the upcoming 12 months refinancing currently at a higher credit margin than the group average?

speaker
PLN Olofsson
CFO

Yeah in total they are at a higher margin Yeah

speaker
Frederick Stensved
Analyst, ABG Sundal Kolia

thank you that's that's it for me.

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Thank you Frederick.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Operator

As a reminder if you wish to ask a question please dial pound key five on your telephone keypad. There are no more questions at this time so I hand the conference back to the speakers for written questions and any closing comments. The next question comes from Crispin Royal Davies from Newveen. Please go ahead.

speaker
Crispin Royal Davies
Analyst, Newveen

Good morning thank you for the presentation. I just have a quick question on the rent from comparable portfolios there's 190 basis points drag from from occupancy and that's actually I think up 60 basis points versus Q2 despite the fact that occupancy was flat quarter on quarter and only I think down 60 basis points or two basis points year on year so could you just clarify where that quite large negative occupancy drag is coming from on the light for light rental growth? Thank you.

speaker
PLN Olofsson
CFO

Yeah sure I mean we do have also in the second quarter higher vacancies and this were do mainly to properties that we have acquired that were but they had a lease guarantee or rent guarantee and that went the the that matured so to say so we don't receive rents for them anymore but in the quarter also we have three smaller lease contracts also with non-food two out of three are non-food lease contracts that have become vacant and of course we're working on filling these vacant areas but those have come during the third quarter.

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

And to add I think we have almost 500 assets the there's always a bit of movement especially among the the non-food tenants the 16 percent which is not daily goods and that's what we see here as the other three of those were were non-food tenants.

speaker
Crispin Royal Davies
Analyst, Newveen

Thank

speaker
Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

you. Thank you. We have a written question from Fastighetsverja who is asking us can we elaborate and clarify a bit of terms or which new markets you are talking about outside in continental Europe I think we've answered that question already when Santa from Nordea asked so I'll stick to that question there and did this second follow-up question does this mean acquisitions in the Nordics will decrease going forward or you're still on the hunt in those markets as well? The answer is yes we're still on the hunt in those markets as well very much so we'd love to grow in all of our four Nordic markets as well as we're looking at continental Europe. And then no other written questions. So with that we want to thank you for listening and our next presentation will be our Q4 results presentation.

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PLN Olofsson
CFO

19th of February.

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Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

19th of February in 2025. So thank you everyone for listening.

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PLN Olofsson
CFO

Thank you.

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Christian Fredriksen
CEO/Presenter

Bye.

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