10/27/2021

speaker
Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

Good morning and welcome to a third quarter presentation. I am Christian Neuland and joining me is our CFO, David Kenyon. So I will first give you a brief overview of the third quarter and then David will come in and talk about the financial performance. And then I'm coming back and talk a little bit more in depth about the third quarter. So to the highlights. I think we had a great third quarter. Very strong performance with 41.6 million in revenue, which is a 48% uplift on last year. For a full first nine months, we're up 80% from last year. Very pleased with all numbers, and David will, of course, go through them more later on. During quarter, we also acquired ABIOS, which helps us transforming our sports betting also into an esports provider. With ABIOS, I think we have a great addition to the team, and I will talk more about it later. During quarter, we also expanded with our partner network with two new signings in BetCity in Netherlands. And Island Luck in Bahamas. And, of course, I will talk more about that later. Finally, during the quarter, we launched in two new states. Arizona, which was our 15 states. And just after the quarter, we also launched in Connecticut, which I will talk more about later. But for now, I hand over to David, and I'll come back later. Thanks.

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David Kenyon
CFO, Canby Group

Thank you, Christian. Good morning, everyone. My name is David Kenyon, CFO of Canby Group. I want to start with the financial highlights for the quarter. So revenue was 41.6 million, up from 28.1 million in Q3 last year. That's a 48% increase. Operating profit was 14.7 million, up from 6.5 million. And operating margin was 35%, up from 23% last year as our business model continued to demonstrate its scalability. I want to talk through a few other key events that are impacting the finances also this quarter. There's been quite a few. Firstly, the acquisition of ABOS, which we completed in September. They're a data, content, odds, and visualization services provider to industry operators and technology companies, and a leading B2B esports supplier. We paid approximately 15 million euros upfront for the acquisition and there's around 12 million as a potential earn-out still to come in the coming years. And we used our strong balance sheet to finance a cash acquisition. Secondly, the Netherlands. New regulations started in the Netherlands at the start of October. Some of our main operators did temporarily exit the market, but those who pulled out are confident of gaining licences in the first half of next year. And we also have to mention JVH, who we did sign before regulation started, who are also yet to acquire a license. BetCity did launch on the first day of regulation, and we've been very encouraged by their start. The net effect of being in this newly regulated market with an incomplete suite of operators is approximately 0.4 to 0.5 million per month on our EBIT. However, in the medium term, we do expect to be in a strong position in the Dutch market when all the operators do acquire their licenses. Thirdly, in August, Penn National Gaming announced it had agreed to acquire the Score Media Group. This doesn't impact our current contractual agreement, but I really want to just highlight that based on the official data in the US, Penn National Gaming, they represent around 5% to 10% of our revenue this quarter. And lastly, I'm really pleased to mention the share buyback program that we initiated today. It's a 12 million euro buyback program. Over the last years, our strong performance has really contributed to strong cash generation, and that's put us in a position to be able to start this buyback program. So that will happen in the coming weeks. This is the Canby turnover index, which we always present. It's the aggregation of the results of all the operators. The blue columns are the aggregated turnover, and the orange line is the aggregated operator trading margin. The turnover is indexed. It started at 100 when we first listed, and it's indexed versus that. You can see it has fallen significantly to 575. It is severely impacted, of course, by the migration of DraftKings. So this number here in Q3 almost entirely excludes DraftKings. If we include an estimation of what the DraftKings turnover would have been, if going through our books, 875 to 900 is an approximate range that we think it would. where it would have landed. From a seasonality perspective, Q3 is typically a very quiet quarter in the sporting calendar. Really only in September do we see a return of NFL as well as the soccer season in full swing in the major European leagues. So that's worth highlighting this quarter. The margin was 9%, obviously relatively strong compared to where we've been in recent quarters. But we do note the comment of one of our operators, Kindred, this morning around the weak sports betting margin at the start of Q4. And that is also true for us. The results at the start of the month have indeed been seen many favourites winning. But as we always stress when we talk about operating trading margin, whether it's weak or whether it's strong, it's really only a short term impact and it's nothing that affects the long term of the business. And indeed, on the topic of margin, actually, in our report today, we've raised our long term guidance on margin to eight to nine percent. And this is really driven by the increased popularity of high-margin products, which we're seeing much more of now, such as BetBuilder. This graph is the conversion of our operator turnover growth to our revenue growth. And I have to again flag that this quarter is heavily skewed by the migration of DraftKings, with very little coming through our books actually in Q3. Without DraftKings, turnover is down 14% versus Q3 last year. However, there in the third column, you see the impact of the trading margin, which at 9% is significantly stronger than the 7.2% we saw last Q3. In the other column, there's pretty much a one-off, is the positive impact of the fees we charged to DraftKings in lieu of the service going through our books. So post-migration, we still saw revenues from DraftKings in Q3, and that's significantly impacted our revenue here in the other column. and that took overall revenue up by 48%. This is the last quarter where you'll see any impact from DraftKings. That service has now ceased. It's worth highlighting that DraftKings amounted to approximately 30% of our revenue for this quarter. If we exclude DraftKings from both this year and last year, underlying revenue growth was 22%. Here are the main features of our balance sheet. very strong balance sheet, as we've said in recent quarters, but it's getting stronger all the time. So even after the 15 million acquisition of ABOS, our cash balance was almost 85 million. Our cash inflow, excluding working capital movements and the acquisition, was almost 12 million. And we have a very healthy equity to assets ratio of almost 70%. Lastly, I just wanted to give some updates on the addressable market that we presented in June at the Capital Markets Day. There's been some updates in important markets, which were the kind of pillars of those assumptions on the left there you can see in terms of addressable market. So the main changes this quarter have been in Arizona, where we launched on day one of the market regulation in September, in time for the NFL season. And we're now live with four operators, Rush Street, Churchill Downs, Penn and Kindred. Connecticut became the 16th state we launched in, when we launched in October with Rush Street Interactive, who won a competitive tender to partner the Connecticut Lottery, both online and on property at 15 locations. In New York, we're the lead platform bidder on two consortium bids, with the results of the RFP expected to be announced in December this year. In Canada, legalisation of single sports event wagering came into force in August. And Ontario is in the process of opening its market to private operators, and the application process there began in September. And as I mentioned earlier, in the Netherlands, regulation started in early October. BetCity has started very strongly in that market, and we have high hopes for other operators to be licensed in due course. With that, I'll hand you back to Christian.

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

Thank you, David. So, yeah, as we also mentioned during the Capital Markets Day, we will update you around our four key pillars that we have mentioned in the Capital Markets Day. And I think we have some really nice updates on all four of them. Firstly, we delivered the bet builder for the NFL for American season. I will go through that more in detail. But so far it has been a great success. On the differentiation piece, we have built and launched the bar top terminals. I will go through that more in detail later on as well. But again, very pleased with the reception we got for that. On the power of a network, I think... We have increased our AI capabilities significantly during the quarter. And we launched successfully fully automated pricing on some of the lower tier soccer leagues with much more to come. And finally, on our scalable business model, we kicked off a rollout of the retail launches in the Belgian National Lottery. And we can do this remotely. And during Q3, we launched 30 retail stores. And today, we stand about 80 stores in total. So, bet builder for American football. I think this has been one of the key projects for a year. And it has been a fantastic success so far. We see... When we look at the bettors on NFL, more than 40% of the bettors have been engaging with BetBuilder. And roughly 20% of all pregame bets is on the BetBuilder. And of course, it is a much higher margin on this product. One thing we have that is unique in the market is that you can... plays this multi-game. So you don't only have to bet within a game and the correlated bets, but you can also combine it with other bets. So you can have, for instance, a baseball match combined with an American football match, which is a great advantage and something that we are quite alone on. And roughly a third of all bet builders is combined with an other event. This is a big project. It started many years ago with soccer, and now we have ruled it out to American football. And with that, I think we are in a position where we can become much, much more fast with new sports. And I think, or I know, that during this weekend, we will start with the college football, which is giving us yet another edge. And I think we are alone on delivering bat builders for college football. And later in the year, we will expand on ice hockey as well to have a great bat builder product. Timely enough for the launch of the Ontario market, of course. And Next year, I think more sports are to come. So we're very pleased with this product. I think VetBuilder is one of the key elements of any future sportsbook. I think it's very, very hard to create a product that is competitive. Most operators are using third-party solutions, whereas ours is fully built in-house. And now we have all the flexibility to keep on developing this. And I think in future years you will see us going into bet builders in play and creating cash outs on bet builders and so on and so on. So I think we are in a great position with what we have built so far. Another thing that I talked about before is our bar top terminals. I think this has been a request from many of our casino operators, especially. And now during G3, we exhibited this new bar top betting terminal, which I think got great traction and many existing operators and prospects really liked it. This is very popular in the U.S. market, traditionally used for casino games and especially card games such as poker. And as usual, I mean, we're taking our online product and adapt it to suit very, very well in the retail market. We have been innovative before, especially when it comes to bring your own device and so on. Once again, very pleased about being able to deliver something new and great to our current customers and future prospects. Next thing I wanted to talk about is automation of our soccer odds compilation. This is a product that we have been working on for a while. Of course, there is probably many who will talk about being able to automate their soccer pricing. What we are doing, I would say, is very, very different. We are not looking at the market. This automated soccer compilation, we can actually open any market. And that is what we're doing on more than 1,000 games across 20 leagues during Q3. So we can be first on the market, increasing slightly higher turnover on these leagues and maintaining a very, very strong sports betting margin on these automated leagues. This is obviously something that we will roll out in a much, much further scale. This is a first test, but I think it's, a small step in the direction of a much, much higher grade of automation in sports betting. Now I would like to talk a little bit about our acquisition of ABIOS. I would say that esports is something we started many years ago with some pricing. I wouldn't say we have had the strong focus to really become a leader in the field. But it's something we have been looking at and looking for the right timing to really become stronger in this field. With ABIOS, I feel we have found a great partner and I think ABIOS is a fantastic company. I really like their leadership and their technology. And I think it's a very, very good fit of cultures. So really pleased with it. I think when we looked at esports, especially during COVID, when most other things disappeared overnight in April last year or even March last year, eSports was one of the things that was there. And we saw that there is definitely a future for eSports. I still think it's a few years away, but I really think this is a great timing to start getting a leadership role in the eSports market. During Q3, we also won a few new customer contracts. Island Luck, which is a clear market leader in Bahamas. Again, our focus in America is paying off and we're very pleased to add Island Luck and the Bahamian market to our offering. Island Luck is regulated in the Bahamian market and, as I said, a clear market leader. And then Bet City, which we launched on day one in Netherlands. And so far, as David mentioned, have performed very strongly. They... yeah at the moment is actually our only operator in the Dutch market so very pleased with getting yet another strong brand in the Netherlands market and I think for the future when we get all of our customers back we will have a very very good position in the Dutch market. During Q3 we did A lot of launches with our existing partners. To start with in Arizona, on day one, we launched with both Penn and Kindred. And shortly after, CDI was also following. And early in Q4, we also got Rushbeat joining in Arizona, as David mentioned. For other states, we launched Penn in five new states during the quarter. And we also launched Kindred in Iowa and Parks in Michigan. On property, we did two launches in Pennsylvania and Arizona with two of our partners. And as I mentioned earlier, we did 33 retail locations in Pennsylvania Belgium with a Belgium lottery. So we have been very, very busy. And I think this is one really strong ability we have to be able to support our partners to launch in so many different markets at the same time. And I think it's a very core strength for us as a company. After Q3, I think the highlight is us launching with Rush Street and the Connecticut Lottery in Connecticut. Connecticut, of course, is not the largest state, but Rush Street is one of only three operators in the state. So it's a very important state still for us to be in. Rush Street will also have a great advantage. The other two operators only have one retail spot each, whereas RSI will be located with 15 different retail locations in much, much more urban destinations as well. So that is looking very good for us. We will Yeah, as I mentioned, we, of course, also launched RSI in Arizona. And earlier in the month, we went live with Racing Western Australia also. We expect Louisiana to be state number 17 in a few weeks. So it is another busy quarter. To summarize the quarter, yes, it's yet another very strong financial performance from us. Revenue up 48%. And I think it's worth pointing out again, this is not the greatest quarter when it comes to sporting events. As a comparable to last year, it's quite a tough comparable because last year, the sporting calendar in Q3 looked way better than it usually do in Q3. due to the COVID effects. So we are very, very pleased to see that the performance is really holding up on a year-to-year comparable. As I mentioned, we acquired EBIOS to become a leading player in the esports field. And other than that, I really think the future is looking bright. Our sales pipeline is very, very strong at the moment. And finally, we initiated a share buyback program today. Thank you very much. And with that, we can take some questions.

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Mia Nordlander
Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Cambiaspa

So thank you so much, David and Christian. And now we will have time for some questions. My name is Mia Nordlander, and I'm Senior Vice President, Investor Relations at Cambiaspa. So we start with the audio questions, I think.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you do wish to ask an audio question, please press 01 on your telephone keypad now. If you wish to withdraw your question, you may do so by pressing 02 to cancel. Our first question comes from the line of Eric Moberg from ABG Sandor Collier. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

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Eric Moberg
Analyst, ABG Sandor Collier

Hi, guys, and thanks for taking my question. You mentioned the sales pipeline there. What type of potential clients Is it that you currently are in discussion with? Is it up and coming operators that it's about to launch an online brand? Or is it actors that currently have a sports product that are evaluating new options?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

Hi, Eric, and thanks for the question. So maybe I should repeat the question again. What type of customers do we have in our pipeline? I would say it's a wide variety of customers. I think in the U.S. it's mainly operators who are looking to get into the market. So I wouldn't say we see a lot of operators at the moment that are currently doing business in sports betting. The same goes a little bit for what we see in Latin America. In Europe, however, I would say it's very different to what we're looking at at the moment where We see a lot of operators having other solutions or in-house solutions who are looking to change, to come at the moment.

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Eric Moberg
Analyst, ABG Sandor Collier

It's quite interesting there in terms of Europe. So what type of actors is it? Is it more sort of, do they actually look to source out a certain region or is it for their complete offerings? And also, what type of actor is it? Is it publicly traded companies or smaller private companies in Europe?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

I don't want to get into more detail, but as I said, they are not insignificant and they are definitely companies that would bring a lot to the table for Cambi.

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Eric Moberg
Analyst, ABG Sandor Collier

understood. And then just to follow up on the current pipeline here, I mean, you signed with Fanatic Gaming, you have agreement for potentially for New York. What's the latest in terms of the application in New York? And also, do you expect Fanatic to expand into other states and become a national player?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

Yeah, the state of New York, I think we expect to get a Final decision somewhere late November, early December. Regarding Fanatics, obviously, we hope that it could extend to two more states. But it's nothing I can comment on at the moment.

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Eric Moberg
Analyst, ABG Sandor Collier

Fair enough. And then if we just look at the European side of the business, obviously, Kindred now has ceased its Dutch operation. However, my assessment is at least that a kindred Dutch operation is a relatively small part of your revenue. But how should one think regarding Netherlands going forward? I mean, you're signed with two clients already, where one of them already have entered the market. Do you expect the net effect from this dynamic to be neutral, negative or positive?

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David Kenyon
CFO, Canby Group

Thanks, Eric. So I mentioned in the presentation that at the moment it's a negative. Whilst we haven't got a full suite of operators there, we're probably looking at 0.4 to 0.5 million a month down. But if all those operators and the new operator JVH, they all get licensed, then we could be in a net positive position. But we'll have to see a bit closer to the time with the timing of the licenses and how the market pans out.

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Eric Moberg
Analyst, ABG Sandor Collier

All right, fair enough. So looking into Twitter, to 2022 for full year, it could very well be a net positive, in other words.

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David Kenyon
CFO, Canby Group

It really depends on timings in 2022, I'd say, but yeah.

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Eric Moberg
Analyst, ABG Sandor Collier

Watch this space. All right, got it. And then just one last question here on the U.S. You mentioned there that turnover is flat year-over-year in the U.S., even when we exclude draft kings within the NFL. Do you think that this means that revenues could be up year over year, given that you will have higher hold rates and then also better mix impact through take rates?

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David Kenyon
CFO, Canby Group

Sorry, can you repeat? I didn't really catch the drift of the question.

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Eric Moberg
Analyst, ABG Sandor Collier

Yeah, so in the US, you mentioned the turnover is flat year over year in the NFL, even if we exclude draft kings. But just looking ahead here into Q4, obviously you will have three large months versus one large month in Q3. And do you think that this means that revenues actually could be up year over year, given that you will have a higher hold rate, sportsbook margin driven, and then also better mix impact through take rates?

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David Kenyon
CFO, Canby Group

I mean, I'll just caution slightly with two things I mentioned earlier. One, of course, is the Netherlands, that impact, and also then the margin, which it has been weak at the start of the quarter, which we'd expect to come back later in the quarter. But, you know, we've already had the best part of the month with a low margin. So I don't want to get too much into speculation about how Q4 will pan out, really.

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Eric Moberg
Analyst, ABG Sandor Collier

Understood. That's all for me. Thank you very much, guys.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Marlon Warnick from Pareto Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

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Marlon Warnick
Analyst, Pareto Securities

Yeah, hi. Good morning. Christian. Just a question here. I mean, we saw Kindred getting up this morning for Q4. Extraordinary low sportsbook margin up until 24th of October. You said that you've seen similar effects, but what can you say about the development on the US market compared to the European market?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

I think this has been quite an odd quarter so far in that perspective. It's quite bad results, or player-friendly results, maybe I should say, both in the European soccer and the American football. So, It's not great at the moment, but as we said before, and I think long term, we expect margins to, on average, become better. So, I mean, it is a quarter. It is not very often nowadays where we have poor quarters, but yeah. It can happen now and then, but long term, I'm pretty confident that our sportsbook margin is trending upwards rather than the other way around.

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Marlon Warnick
Analyst, Pareto Securities

And are you still comfortable that you will achieve the trading margin guidance of 8-9% here in Q4, given the Q4 start?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

I would say that our guidance is on future numbers. So, I mean, on every quarter or every month, we expect an average to be 8% to 9%. If you have a month in a quarter where it's significantly lower, of course, we would expect us to come in lower on the full quarter.

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Marlon Warnick
Analyst, Pareto Securities

Perfect, thank you. And you lift the operating trading margin guidance to 8% to 9%. The historical average has been 8.5%, so I understand that. But looking forward, I mean, I understand that they play more money lines in the U.S., but they do also play more parlays, and also the debt builder products is boosting too. So why don't you expect the sportsbook margin to continue its positive trend and increase from the historical average?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

Maybe we are a little bit too careful, but I would say that, I mean, we feel that we have enjoyed a few years of great sports betting margins. We hardly have any months where we have seen really poor results. So maybe we are a little bit too cautious, as you see. If you look at the last couple of years, quite high numbers already. So it's not impossible that we would do a future adjustment even further. But at the moment, I think this is where we believe we should be.

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Marlon Warnick
Analyst, Pareto Securities

And also, I mean, what's your expectations on the playing patterns in markets such as Latin America and Canada to compare to, for example, Europe?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

So Latin America, I think we have quite good evidence of Colombia so far. And I think they are very happy to play quite large parlays. So I would expect us to have quite good theoretical margins in Latin America as a whole. Canada, I think, is a little bit trickier to... to evaluate at this point I mean single wagers has been not legal for lotteries to offer for yeah since they started in Canada at the lotteries so I think most of the players they are very used to use parlays so I think it will be higher theoretical payback in the Canadian market than the U.S. market. But it's speculation at this point, I would say.

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Marlon Warnick
Analyst, Pareto Securities

Perfect. The last question here, I mean, if you can give us an update on the Churchill Downs rollout in the United States.

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David Kenyon
CFO, Canby Group

United States, maybe it is.

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Mia Nordlander
Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Cambiaspa

I think we're now live in seven states, I think.

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David Kenyon
CFO, Canby Group

Yeah, I think it's accelerating. I mean, they've rebranded to their Twin Spires brand. And I think that's really been the cause of an acceleration in the rollout of states. So it's one we've definitely got high hopes for, looking forward at least.

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Marlon Warnick
Analyst, Pareto Securities

All right. Okay. Thank you all for

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Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Victor Hodberg from Danske Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

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Victor Hodberg
Analyst, Danske Bank

Yes, hi, sorry, I was a couple of minutes late, so maybe you covered it. Let me know if so. In the report, you state the PEN is 5 to 10% out of Q3 revenues derived from public data. Have you said or have you seen anything indicating the length of the contract? You signed them in the middle of 2019. My assumption is that 2023 could be covered and you've only said it's a long term contract. Could you help us add some color on the length of it if you haven't already?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

So, I mean, I don't want to comment on the relationship between us and Penn, but I can tell you this much. Penn themselves commented on what they Expected to move away from Canby earliest for a football season in 2023. So that's more than one and a half year away. If that will hold up or not, I don't want to comment on. But I can't give you more light on the contract situation.

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Victor Hodberg
Analyst, Danske Bank

okay we might we'll see but maybe it's a situation where with with the drafting situation where you get compensated or revenues even if they move earlier let's see um and on netherlands just checking the 0.4 to 0.5 million what's that on sales or ebit it's on ebit effect currently yeah ebit very similar to be honest but it's on ebit

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David Kenyon
CFO, Canby Group

A monthly or quarterly basis? It's on a monthly basis.

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Victor Hodberg
Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay, thank you. And just the Latin American opportunity that you talked a bit about on the CMV, could you help us update on what to expect there in terms of potential timing?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

I think we see Argentina moving slowly towards more and more regulation, so I hope the timing there is in the coming months, to be honest. Brazil, I don't really have any new update. We still hope that it will happen in 2022, but I don't really have any new updates since the capital market stay.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. We currently have no further audio questions. I'll hand back to any other questions.

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Mia Nordlander
Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Cambiaspa

Okay, great. Then we have actually got some on the web here. So I think I'm going to start with you, David. You presented strong financial performance even compared to tough comparables due to business sporting calendar last year. What were the key drivers behind this?

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David Kenyon
CFO, Canby Group

Yeah, I'd say we've really seen the fruits of our regulatory and sales efforts over the last years. We've launched into new states in the US, so a whole number since Q3 last year. We've got Arkansas, Arizona, I mentioned that was in September, Michigan online, Virginia, Tennessee, that's five. We've also launched in Argentina, Christian mentioned, so parts of Argentina have regulated since then. And we've launched with new customers, so from the sales efforts, so Belgian National Lottery, Casino Magic, Bet Warrior, and Nexus in Peru. And then we've seen growth from our existing operators. So I think across the board, it's regulatory, it's sales, and it's performance that's driving growth of the operators.

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Mia Nordlander
Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Cambiaspa

Great. Thank you, David. One for you, Christian. Can you please comment on Kindred's poison pills ending 2023? Please elaborate on the long-term strategy regarding this matter.

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

I can't really comment very much on it. I think the only thing we have stated, it is in the notes of older EGMs and AGMs. So you have to look there. I can't really elaborate on the status more than that.

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Mia Nordlander
Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Cambiaspa

David, one for you here. Regarding Connecticut, how will you deal with Mohegan FanDuel work going forward? Can you give some flavor around that?

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David Kenyon
CFO, Canby Group

Yeah, sure. We actually struck an amendment agreement with Mohegan Sun to allow them to pursue their FanDuel opportunity. But what it meant for us was that we'd actually recognize the revenues, the anticipated revenues from the deal. So over the term of the contract, they'll pay us the revenues we would have earned anyway. But it frees them up to do their thing with FanDuel. I think it's definitely worth mentioning then that we're also working in Connecticut with Rush Street. So we almost have two revenue sources in that one state. So, yeah, we're very happy with the position with Rush Street and their work with the Connecticut Lottery going forward.

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Mia Nordlander
Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Cambiaspa

Thank you. And another one for you, Christian. SB Tech built a product over 10 years and DraftKings then spent several hundred millions improving it. And just by recent sports margin in the U.S., They're quickly losing market share after migrating away from Canby. With that in mind, how can Penn be comfortable doing it?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

I think that is clearly a question for Penn rather than me. I can't really speculate, but I said it before. I think what we are doing is highly complex. It's not very easy to replicate. Many have tried in Europe and failed before. So, yeah, starting from scratch and getting something up and running in a couple of years' time, I think, yeah, it's a tough task.

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Mia Nordlander
Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Cambiaspa

We have time for a few more questions, I think. So another one for you, Christian. Is there a reason GBH Gaming is not live in the Netherlands? And when do you expect them to get the license? Or do you expect them to get the license soon?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

I would assume there is a reason. I don't know what. So I hope and expect them to get the license as soon as we give out more licenses and hopefully sooner rather than later.

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Mia Nordlander
Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Cambiaspa

Another one for you, Christian. Usually a low hold rate happens in conjunction with higher turnover. Does that relationship still hold in Q4? And any comment on what your thoughts are for quarter and quarter turnover growth?

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Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

Yeah, so that always holds true, I would say. It's quite simple. I mean, if players winning, they tend to spend more of their winnings on betting. So that definitely holds true. It is a tricky comparable this year as well compared to last year. But, yeah, taking out DraftKings, because that obviously you have to do when you're looking at it, I'm quite confident we should beat the turnover compared to last year.

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Mia Nordlander
Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Cambiaspa

Okay, I think that was the question we had time for today. Okay. Thank you, both David and Christian, for presenting today. And we look forward to be here back again for the Q4 results, 11th of February next year. So thank you very much and have a good day.

speaker
Christian Neuland
CEO, Canby Group

Thank you.

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