speaker
Hugo
Moderator

Hello and welcome to this live presentation of the Maven Wireless Q1 report. You who are watching will be able to use the chat function to ask questions, so we will try to get them in here during the broadcast. The plan is that the CEO, Anders Ohlin, will start by presenting both Maven and some developments during the quarter and some thoughts, and then we will end with a Q&A. And that is when I will also try to get your questions in. I think I'm done. Let's get to the interesting stuff. Welcome Anders. Thank you. Let's hear your thoughts. Yes, and please ask questions.

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

As I said, Anders Linnet is the new CEO since January 1st. So it's my first quarter as an operational manager. So it's been a... Spännande, lärorikt och intensivt kvartal skulle jag vilja säga. Och det är klart om man tittar på kvartalet som sådan så har det varit ett fortsatt utmanande kvartal finansiellt men vi har ett flertal positiva signaler att vi går i rätt riktning och vi känner konferens att vi är på rätt väg så att det ska bli spännande att dela med sig av storyn till er. Så jag tänkte gå igenom The highlights of the quarter. I'm going to go through a number of pictures that we have shown to investors and banks during Q1 to give a better understanding of our market and Maven. Go through the financial results and then also delve a little more into the operational KPIs. Give me your feedback if you think I understand what you want to hear. But let's get started, Hugo. The orders we received went up to 86.5 million kronor, which we are very pleased with. It is of course partly based on the order we took in February from Tomek, which is a supplier to ÖBB, which is the counterpart to Trafikverket in Austria. But there is a lot more to go in the order book now that we have secured. We have won eight new customers during the quarter. That should be a record for Maven. And we have got our first years from two new markets, Spain and Australia. And it is so that we are now trying to build stones or platforms to get more revenue from more customers and more markets and more products. It is that that will build a more stable Maven in the long run. So we are happy with it. Income and gross margin is roughly in line with what one could expect. We have... We are dependent on the order book and the order stack that we ended last year. It controls a lot next quarter. And we had a cost level when we entered the first quarter that was almost the same as we had in Q4. So those parts are roughly in line with what we expected. We said in January that we would lower our operational costs. That program has now been executed. We have become six people less in Maven. We have negotiated our office rent in Kista and a lot of other things. So we see full effect of cost savings under Q2. We are also very pleased with the targeted emission that we did, where we added 15 million to the company. We did that to a premium of about 15% against the exchange rate that day, which we have understood is a good premium during these times. We could have brought in more, so we feel a very strong conference from the owners. Both existing and new owners who have joined the company, so it feels safe for the future that we have a strong owner base and strong faith and interest in the company. Nimbus has also been on the agenda for many quarters when I went back and looked and talked about it. In January I said that Nimbus did not go out to the market last year due to the fact that we prioritized existing customers and the commitments that we have made that we are cutting off. Now we changed the priority in January and said now we should. to work with Nimbus. There has been a lot of focus on Nimbus during the Q1, so we have basically ended the hardware and software development of that product. Now we are in the integration and testing phase, and we have also delivered a first unit to a customer that we are testing the product with. So you can say that we have highlights over the quarter. Hugo, do you know what this is?

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

It looks like a train tunnel. Can we think of it as Österrike?

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

Yes, it is Österrike. It is a 27 km long tunnel. It is being built. It was the year of the framework agreement. It represents the quarter a little bit. It is a segment that we are very strong. We work with SPSB in Sweden, which is the traffic agency in Sweden, and we work in Norway in other markets. We also have several major auctions in this segment, so it's really exciting. For me to come in, I need to understand a little better. We have worked a little to try to understand this market that we are in. If you look at the total domestic technology market globally, it is around 33 billion dollars. If you look at the daily market, the distributed antenna system, which is the market we are in, it is estimated at about 11-12 billion and it is growing by 11%. Of course, it is very good to have a large market and a market that is growing. And we are a very small player there, so of course there are opportunities to grow for Maven. A little different characteristics from the different markets. North America is the largest market. New technology is driven there a lot. Europe is a combination of many regulatory requirements when it comes to critical communication. Also a lot of modernization is done. APAC is a combination. of increased demand from users. They want more coverage, more capacity, but also a lot of new buildings, new airports, new hospitals, new airports. And it's actually three big trends that drive growth in this market. You need more coverage, more capacity indoors. Just go around yourself and look when you go into different buildings. A large database needs to be upgraded. Most of our projects now upgrade an old, installed database that can be 10 years old or older. Either it has been destroyed or there is a very big total cost of ownership difference between using a new high-tech way of building solutions compared to the old, analog way. And also critical communication solutions, both for companies and also for government, police, fire department, military, data center. And we have also seen that in the Middle East. Blue light communication must work. It has become even clearer in a region like that. Yes, we're celebrating 10 years this year. We're going to celebrate that in September. We're a company that has a nice technological leadership, has many nice references. We're making some changes when I come in. My job is to scale and grow this company. We're making some operational changes. We're focusing more clearly. on go-to-market and how we deliver to our customers and we have also taken in a little new leadership and we also lift the organization, take a bigger responsibility and work more as a slightly larger company to be able to grow. So it's very exciting. We are in two main areas. Blue light, communication, cellular. And you see an updated map of where we have people. And there are two of them in Australia that will become more and more important in the future. It's a little fun. And we will also start a local company there that is ongoing. Come back a little bit about Australia. So that's me a little bit. To the right, tunnels, as we have talked about, also train repeaters inside trains. And to the left, there are more indoor solutions. And it's data center, it's hospitals, it's airports, it's big hotel complexes, different variants. And it's either cellular or it's cellular and blue light communication, or both. So it's... We have worked quite a lot with, if you look to the left of this slide, what kind of ideal customers we want to have when we go out and hunt new customers. And then it's basically three types of customers that we hunt. The primary customer type and what we really want is system integrators who are relatively large on their market, who are really good at doing interior design, install and commission and work with a number of offers during the year. Then we can work close to their technology department where they make offers. This is the ideal customer. Mobile operators, of course, as well. We work more with them and come up with more. We work very closely with Telenor and Vodafone Siggo today, for example. But we work with more there. And then in some markets, there are distributors that exist, that play in markets that have a very broad product range. They have technical skills and they can build local warehouses with spare parts and things like that. So that's what we're after. And we've become much, much clearer. We've also defined which use cases we're really strong on. Because if we go to the right use case, then we'll have a higher hit rate on those businesses and get more efficiency out of the sales organization. So starting from the bottom to the right, there are train repeaters where we actually deliver a lot. We are also building next generation train repeaters, thanks to a drama statement that was written last year for train manufacturers. England will be the first train to the high speed railways that are being built in England. We have talked about data centers, and they can be critical communication solutions, because you don't want to have a cellular connection, or you want to have a cellular connection. Very interesting that different players think in different ways here. Tunnels that we talked about, it can be road tunnels, it can be train tunnels, it can be tunnelways in tunnels. To the right, highest up, this is where we have products where you take in macro signals from the mobile network and distribute it without connecting them to anything. And that's actually the easiest and fastest way to get a sign if you have a building that you want to get a sign. There is a certain sign outside, but there is no sign before. Then you can buy such a product. The emitter is primarily intended for our new product Nimbus. If you have hotspots where you really need more 5G capacity, then that product is optimal for that. And then we have the combination that we have a very modular platform that we can get in many technologies and have several bands and different bands in the same platform. The product portfolio on the left, repeaters, I talked about train repeaters, regular repeaters. We also have our which we call head-dance, where you connect the base stations to these units, regardless of whether it is mobile phone or critical communication. And then via fiber, you draw out the signals to our remote control, Stratus, which is our main seller, and Nimbus, which I will come back to, which is our new low-power remote. So it's a little bit about... about Maven and the market. If we look at the finances, on the right is the order intake for the quarter, as I said, 86 million and we have an order book at 113. There was one order last year and there were some orders that didn't have a delivery date. So we have reduced that to about 10 million and we have also taken a much stronger definition of orders. Which I feel is important. So that all orders now that are in order, the book has a delivery date, has bill of materials, so we know exactly what will be delivered and when. Which makes it a very high conference when it will lead to revenue. Then we want the sellers to take as large an order as possible that represents the customer's budget. So that the order that comes in can be larger, but we register what is clear. There is a small part that is there, but that is how we now make a certain change in how we run the order book definition. On the left we see the gross margin, 41% during the quarter. A little lower than it was a year ago. Product misuse we are talking about. It is a big difference between different products. And then there is also which customers and customer contracts. It does play a role, but there are two things that have affected the percentage drop that we didn't really know when we got into the quarter. One is the dollar depreciation. It is primarily a frame rate that is linked to the dollar. And then we also have small orders from the US. They have very little importance today, but we have adjusted the prices for the American market due to the weak dollar price development. And then we have some component increases, especially on the reinforced side, that have hit. So it's a bit like when you look at gross margin and order intake. And when it comes to net sales at almost 34 million, It comes a lot from the order intake in Q4 and the order book. We have 12 to 16 weeks delivery time if the customer wants the product here and now. If it is a standard product, if there are some modifications, it is a little longer, which means that there is a delay when the order book grows and when you see revenues. But the plan is that step by step we improve step by step. If you look at EBITDA, it is minus 6.3. Of course, it is primarily based on a continued low income, as we have seen in Q3 and Q4. We have also taken some restructuring costs during the quarter due to the declines and we have also had a one-off effect when it comes to guarantee costs. We got our production line up for spare parts at the end of last year, which has been very in demand from our customers. And then we have come a long way when it comes to the backlog that existed from last year. And we felt that it was just as good to get rid of it so that the customers are more satisfied with that part of our business. To the left you can also see how our revenues are. We are very strong in Europe, there is no doubt about it. And of course, the plan is to grow the other parts over time. I'll get back to that in a moment. So actually a summary and maybe also mention a little bit about the cash and cash flow, minus 7.6 from operations this year. We have a cash liquidity today of 16 million. We have focused very much on the cash under the quarter, of course, both when it comes to so we have strengthened the process and the escalation process there. It is a smaller problem today than it was at the beginning of the year. We have worked very closely with our strategic suppliers and customers and we have, as I said, worked very closely to get a targeted emission that we are pleased with and also with banks and financial institutions so that we feel significantly We see a positive trend in those areas. Some operational highlights. As I said, one of the biggest changes we are making now, and this is partly linked to our new sales manager that we hired this fall, Jörgen Krigsman, is that we are implementing a commercial playbook. I mentioned how we are focusing on which new customers we want to have. Which use case do we have the highest hit rate on, that we really should focus on, and we should not focus on businesses that we do not believe in. And we do this on a global basis. It can be some deviations in some regions, depending on the competition situation, but much more clearly a top-down strategy now, what we focus on. Very high focus on winning new customers, where we are also personally involved in many of those businesses. Very much with you, I think I mentioned it last, a lot of prospecting. And we are involved. There have also been a lot of customer meetings during the quarter for me. To understand, both understand their business, understand how we stand and what they are happy with, what they are less happy with. And what we can do to grow their business. Very good discussions, very educational. We have a CRM tool, now we really have to make the most of it. That's the Bible, that's what matters. So the quality has gone up a lot. And we have goals and everything that goes with our strategy. So we have a cockpit down there, what we're looking at. We're looking at order intake a lot, we're looking at pipeline, how it grows. Both how it grows when you enter the next quarter, how it grows on a yearly basis, how many deals we work with, how high the close rate we have, how high the win rate we have. How much is new? Here you see an example. But it is so that about half of the funnel we now have is new customers. And that is something very new. And that is what leads to us winning eight new customers in Q1. This is the priority for all sellers. We measure how it has gone and we also look at what signals there are. So we also look at how many new businesses we found in Q1. What was worth it? How many were there? How does the pipeline look when we enter the next quarter? And when you look at the top 20 businesses that exist, how much of that represents what we need to close? So it's really exciting to see how the organization meets up on this. Nimbus Nordamerika, I think, has been Topix for a quarter for a long time, so I don't feel like it's changed much, but it's just taking them head on. Nordamerika, we have done our part with a sales manager there who has not delivered what we have expected. We have been involved in two events, one indoor coverage, Daspidia, and one public safety. We have also now limited and clarified our focus, and primarily now we are working public safety. We have also delivered our first public safety trial, a proof of concept trial to one customer. They are evaluating what we had a meeting with them the other day. They continue the tests during this week and next week. And then we hope that we will be able to get a message that this feels right and that they want to move on with us to the next step. Vi har också en stor systemintegrator som jobbar väldigt mycket med bland annat sjukhus och datacenter som vi jobbar nära tillsammans med på den cellulära sidan. Det är väl mer en tidsfråga när vi tror vi kan få någonting där. Men det strategiska fokuset nu är public safety. Både Jörgen och jag är väldigt väl med. It's a big market, a difficult market. I've lived in the US for ten years and have been working with the US most of my life. You have to be very active there to ensure that we do the right thing. It will take time, but we will continue to focus on North America. Nimbus, as I said, we have prioritized the development of HD software during the quarter. And we are now at the end of the integration and testing phase internally. So there is a lot going on. This is complex technology. And we also have the first big customer now who is testing this. And we intend to test this product with a number of more customers during the quarter. Vi har också börjat planera för produktionsstart. Vi har säkrat komponenter, vi har valt produktionspartner och vi jobbar med det. Det kommer bli en lägre första batch utav enheter som vi planerar att leverera under andra halvåret. Vi jobbar också på att säkra de första The orders on Nimbus, we have a number of different tracks that we work on, a few different use cases. But it's also, people want to see the product before they place an order, a little bit based on the history here. So we don't push too much there, but we also want the product to be commercially launched. But exciting, and also exciting with the different types of use cases that we see an interest in on the market. So progress, you could say. A little different. I mentioned Australia. We had a very successful proof of concept at the beginning of the year there. We had our first order from a strong and large distributor. And now there are a lot of discussions with opportunities. So we expect that we will start to get orders. We will also set up a local company in Australia. So in the long term, we see that there can be a larger market for us. Very exciting. Vi har levererat utrustning till ett 20-tal projekt under kvartalet och det är ju nämnda där. Stort stadium i England, vi presserlisade förra året. Gruva med en väldigt stor gruvbolag. Flygplatser, datacenter, tunnlar. Så det är lite olika typer av applikationer här som vi levererar kontinuerligt till. I also mentioned the cost savings that we have made. And I also mentioned the targeted emissions that we did during the quarter. And then we also have a separate production line for spare parts. And we have worked on most of the backlog from last year. So there is a lot of focus on the operational part. So to sum up before we get to questions, we are very pleased with the order intake under Q1 and the commercial activities that we are doing now. We see a strongly increased focus and we are starting to see the result of that. Vi har också vunnit som jag sa åtta nya kunder. Det är viktigt i sig men det är också viktigt att få bevisat att vår teknologi och vårt kommersiellt erbjudande uppskattas. Det vet man inte som ny vd. Hur står sig det här? Men också med alla de kunddiskussioner vi får. Vi har en unik ledarenprodukt när vi hittar rätt med de användarcase som vi går på. Och det känns väldigt bra. We have managed costs in a challenging time and we have managed cash in a challenging time. It has taken a lot of time, but we have done it and we feel much safer today than we did at the beginning of the quarter and we also have strong support from our big owners. And we continue to invest. We continue to invest in go-to-market, even though we don't have revenue from all regions. And we continue to invest in product development, Nimbus, next-generation train repeaters, even though we have a limited financial result. But it is because we strongly believe that those products will have a positive acceleration of revenues in the future. And we then run a transformation in the company in a slightly different way, as I said, so we are clearer with what we focus on, both within the go-to-market and operationally. We also look at how we become more professional in how we deliver to our customers. And we have also taken new leadership. We lift the leaders and I push down delegated responsibility. And we get the units to work more together and take a bigger responsibility there. So that we have clarity in who is responsible for what. For example, when you make a commitment to a customer on a delivery. Then it is operations that is responsible for making the commitment. And then it is those responsible for securing the commitment from the subcontractor. And if there is any R&D involvement, then they must secure that commitment to operations before they do it. So just a few things for improvement that will strengthen our operational performance. So that is Maven Q1 story.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

Thank you very much, Anders. We have received a number of questions, so please continue with that. But I think I will start with some of mine. Historically, we have seen that there is a underlying scalability in this business, and that is precisely why we want to see the turnover rise, and that is because we want to see a higher order entry as well. How do you feel about the start of Q1 and then looking forward to Q26?

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

Looking forward? This is not a quick fix. We are talking about sales, we are talking about decisions to be made by others. Most of the time we are one step between the end customer and the system integrator. So this is about getting better and better all the time. We focus a lot on securing more and more new customers. We have secured eight new customers. It is a KPI that we measure. If we have five to eight new customers per quarter, then we will have a completely different base when we go out this year than before. Then there are several markets. Now we come into two new markets. We came into Australia with a certification, one could say, of our technology via a very successful POC, which both includes a strong local partner and a strong mobile operator, which is then involved in the development of critical communication solutions there. We also came into Spain with a new customer, Radiotrans, which we press released. And what's fun about that customer is that that customer exists in six markets. Now we're doing an expansion at Teneriffa Airport. And they also have several offers that we're involved in. So it's about several markets, several customers. And then we also hope that Nimbus will be able to contribute. It will take time, but it will also be an additional revenue stream for us. So that's what it's about. And then you get a 51 million order in Q1. We won't get that in every... I don't think so. But the trend should be upwards. Then you have to take the anomalies a little. They happen sometimes and then you are grateful for it.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

Yes, that's right. And it's also very nice to see that there is that size on orders as well within this market. Absolutely. I agree with this. We are talking about focusing on what you sell against. And then it is mainly on the customer. What type of customer. Then which geography is not as important as I interpret it.

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

I think it's important too. We don't have it now. We have the scale model. We have production partners and then we sell to system integrators who can sell to many. That's the idea. So we don't have that many sellers. They are spread out in different regions and then you have to take care of it from there. Of course, we also look at the market. We look at what competitors there are. But if you take, for example, more complex solutions, There we are spot on with larger and more complex solutions. If there are simpler solutions, and for example a market that has a lot of Chinese equipment, then it will be both a price pressure and a simple solution. It's a waste. It's better for others to have it. It's not our focus. So it's a bit dependent on the market. But there are a lot of markets that we're not in. So you can have a seller in a certain country that also has a limited market and comes in, then we work with that. But it's system integrators that are our main source of income.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

Exactly, and grow with partners, like the one you mentioned in Spain, which is also in six countries. And here you mentioned competition, and then I think a question that we have received here is very good. Previously, it has been said that Maven's products are groundbreaking and superior to their competitors. You also have a bunch of patents that should protect this technological origin. Despite this, the year-on-year and sales development indicates that the competitiveness has not been as strong lately as it might have been before. How can you explain this strong technical level and where the competitiveness is today?

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

Yes, that's a good question. I don't like to talk about the competitors so much. We focus on our things. But the feedback we get from the customer meetings we've had during Q1, and that's been going on for 30 years now, The customers are very satisfied with our technology. They understand the product, the scalability, the modularity. You have a network management system that you can use. It is the lowest total cost of ownership. So I think it's a lot about getting that message out. And then it's about focusing more on the right type of opportunities. Then we are still very strong. Then it is so, of course, that the competitors are not still either. And that is probably especially on the cellular side that we see a bigger competition. And then it's also connected to the cost piece. And then one part of the cost piece is volume. So we need more volume to reduce costs. So we work on those parts as well. But it's not something that I don't sleep on because I'm worried about it. I've received overwhelming positive feedback from customers. So that feels good.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

Exactly, and then I think that you have to point out the customers who prioritize that strength as well, and not the markets where you prioritize a Chinese actor, as you mentioned earlier.

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

In simpler installations, right.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

Yes, and you have also talked a little bit about the cost savings here. We didn't really see the effects in Q1, it comes here in Q2, and then it should be 10-15% of our savings. What kind of functions have you been working on?

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

The biggest functions are operations, R&D and sales. That is where it has happened. We have thought through it a bit and it has been six people. that have unfortunately had to leave the company. We do not judge that it has such a big impact on our operational performance, even if in terms of percentage it is a part. It is of course a part of the company. But it is well over. It is well over.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

And then there has also been a question here about extra income costs that are in this quarter. About how big are they? Can you quantify that so that you can get a little idea?

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

Yes, it should probably be in the report we have understood. It is, partly it is then conversion costs of closer to 400,000-360,000 SEK, I think it was. And then we have extra, we call it RMA, reserve cost guarantees from Q4, it's about 2.5 million SEK. Approximately 3 million in extra operating costs as we took in Q1. And of course it hits EBITDA directly.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

Yes, and I was going to say that if you adjust for that, then it would have been a cost decline year over year.

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

Yes, it would have been. It would have been a clear improvement to Q4. It's income and cost base.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

You also mention increased prices on components. Is that something we can hit on the gross margin in the future or can you hedge this in some way?

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

That's right. We have three categories. We have frame agreements, where you are usually stuck. If it's not extraordinary situations where you can make end of life of a product. Then we have the larger base, where it's about to make some price adjustments to compensate for that. And then when it comes to new business, we revise price lists and we make some adjustments to that as well. So we assess that we should be able to handle what we have seen so far. Then we also hear that it is The defense industry and AI are pushing us into the north, so if there are problems with deliveries, there is a risk that it may continue to increase, but we haven't seen it yet.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

That was just the defense I was thinking about when you mentioned frame rates. That's why frame rates are important, because then they can end up in the middle, depending on what happens. We were also talking about Nimbus. Let's continue a little bit there. Because now they are evaluating in Q2. Then they talk about that it is a world that will be delivered. If it goes well here now in the evaluation in Q2. Everything looks great. When do you think you sell the first with a little more volume?

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

What is volume? I think an installation, the ones we have looked at now, it can be maybe 10 to 40 units for where it is. So I mean... Just now we are preparing a batch of 75 units. And then we have said that depending on orders, if we get orders and they are a little bigger, then we take the next decision to go from 70 to 50 to 200. That decision has not been made yet, it depends on how it goes. We also have to do the test and fix these last bits. So it's there somewhere. You should not expect that Nimbus will... save the year. There are smaller parts, but according to the plan, we will be hard on the Nimbus. We will have different use cases, we will prove that it flies on the market and then it will be a part of next year's results. We are convinced of that.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

We come back to the cash register here. It has been a little under pressure, now you have filled in. Do you feel that now it is done? You don't need that anymore, or how do you think about the future?

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

We have gotten much better control and focus on feed, on how we manage. We do cash flow analysis on a rolling 13-week basis, which we have never done before. So we have significantly better control. We have lowered costs. We have taken in the 15 million. There is room for more if we want. It is not the plan. And we also have a discussion with banks. And we will probably take in a little more. Primarily to have a small stake if something happens in the Middle East, who knows what will happen there. If there is a problem with production, it is good to have a small stake. We want to invest primarily in one or two new sellers and we want to invest in another person on the development side. So we also want to see here, we don't want to be hindered by the fact that we have to market it, it exists there. So that's why we're looking to do a little more. But we are confident that we will solve that. We have some loans today, so there is a lot of room for that. The cash is definitely under control here and now. And we have 16 million in liquid funds.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

Yes, exactly. We are nearing the end now, so if you have any questions, please send them in before it's too late. If we also look at the order book, the big order on the 51st will be delivered in 2027. How do you think about the duration in the rest of these 113 million? It's not the rest of 113, but 113 in total. I don't have to go into detail. The duration of this order book, how do you think about it?

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

That's a great question. We've worked a lot with forecasting to try to understand this. There are three categories. Many orders come in and ask when they want delivery ASAP. Then it's usually 12 weeks if it's standard products. That's a whole lot of what it is. Then there are some that are a little bigger and then it's usually split over two quarters. And then there can be a strange bird that comes in. Now you can say that just that year we have actually managed to move part of the supply from next year to this year. Which gives us a little extra supply this year. So it depends on what kind of project is out there in the end. But a lot is. The next three months and three months later, it's normal that the equipment will come out. That's what we're working on.

speaker
Hugo
Moderator

That's right. Awesome. Then the last question here now. And we're looking at the whole 26 here, not just the Q2 that we've talked about a little more about now, but the whole 26. What do you think you stand at the end of the year compared to today?

speaker
Anders Linnet
CEO

We're going back to profitable growth. And we're going to get better and better for every quarter. That's the plan. Then we don't control everything. And we work with just getting more streams of income. Because that's the income that has to go up. We have to manage costs and cash. What we can do, we will continue to do. So we will be smart on that part. We have control on that part. But then it's about... to drive growth. You see the focus. We do everything we can. That's the highest focus we have. And then we'll see how far it goes this year and when decisions are made. Because it's also that decisions take time. Some of the decisions that were made in Q1 have been discussed for quite a long time. So it's impossible to answer exactly just then. But the trend should be to always go in the right direction. That's the plan.

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Hugo
Moderator

Yes, but things take time, processes take time and making changes, things take a lot of time. Often much longer than you think and think you should do from the beginning.

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Anders Linnet
CEO

That's right, but we are confident that we are on the right track and we are satisfied with the positive signals that we saw in Q1 and that will continue.

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Hugo
Moderator

Brilliant, thank you so much for coming and sharing your thoughts Anders. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And thank you very much to all of you who have watched and asked questions.

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