4/24/2025

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

Good morning. Good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining our interim report. It is an intensive reporting day, so I'm really glad that you are all listening to us and Nilen. To hear today is Maria Fogelström, the CFO of Nilengruppen, and myself, Christian Magnusson, the CEO. And for your information, we will record this presentation so we can present that later on on our website for them who has not the possibility to listen at this moment. So I will start by sharing my presentation.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

And we'll start off with the financial performance.

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

Q1 for 2025, the order income was quite strong, 15% up. And looking into the numbers and the different segments and so on, it's not a specific class or not a specific segment. So it's quite general all over the client side where we see this increase of order income. And if you look at the sales, it is up 7%. And actually, this quarter was not a major currency effect in the sales numbers. I will come back later on to the currency effect because, as you know, Nealon is a super international company relative to our size. So the currency will have an impact, especially on the balance sheet, and it will most likely also come later on in the year. But that's the way it's calculated. It's calculated the average currency effect in the profit and loss account. So the impact in the first quarter was relatively low. And on the top line, it was actually no impact at all. Looking at the sales increase, it is also still a bounce back on the outdoor segment. You remember we had in 2023 very weak outdoor segment that bounced back in 2024. But in Q1 here, we still see an increase, a big increase in the outdoor segment specifically. Operating profit of 23 million Swedish kronor, slightly more than last year. And the net cash position of 40 million Swedish. So a strong cash position for Nylon. Also taking into consideration the investment that we will do here in Bangladesh especially.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

I will also come back to that later on in the presentation.

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

A strong gross margin that is reflected by a lower purchasing price. Our sourcing organization has done a good job, but also that the packaging is relatively lower versus Q1 last year, where packaging is a lower margin product that we have. Other thing I want to point out, if you take other operating revenue and other operating cost, These two has, if you take them together, that's 3 million lower. And this 3 million lower is related to the currency effect. So it has an impact. The currency has an impact on this level here. And it was that last year we had this small currency gain, and this year we have a currency loss. So that the difference between the two quarter Related the currency is 3 million Swedish kronor. And also the currency has an effect in the net financial items here. The increase here is also related to The one million Swedish difference between these two here is related to currency. And as I mentioned, it is a very international company. We are in 20 countries. We are 667 employees, whereas only 50 are in Sweden. And what we invoice in Swedish kronor is almost nothing compared to what we do in other currencies. So it has an impact, especially now when the Swedish corona is getting stronger. Tax, 24%, and we think that will remain that during the rest of the year. The tax is very depending on what country we make the revenue in, and we are in all different countries from low-tax to high-tax countries. So depending on where we make the profit, the tax rate will vary over the year, a little between the years. I may also mention that the profit and loss when they calculated the currency or converted that into Swedish krona, that is made on an average Swedish krona rate during the first quarter, but the balance sheet It is as per end balance sheet date, the end of the date lost month. So it's the end of March. So the currency has a big impact on the balance sheet that can be seen if you look into the equity where the translation of the difference during the period. has been 22 almost 23 million swedish affecting only the equity that comes from when we convert equity we have around in the group in the different countries all from bangladesh india pakistan hong kong etc so that has a negative impact last year it had a positive impact in the equity of 10 million swedish split per product group The main difference here we can see is in packaging now. We had decreased from 23% to 19%, and that is mainly in the luxury segments. We have some clients in the luxury segment that has been slow in the quarter, and that has especially been on the packaging side. It's not that we lost them. It's not that they are doing something else. They will come back. It's just that they have too much of stock at the moment. So they're working on that. So expect that to come back later on. Packaging is also an area where we spend the resources we have invested, as I mentioned last time, in a technical packaging manager for the group. And we see already his contribution to the group and our knowledge in the group for packaging. New clients, but also especially for existing clients where we have labeling and so on, where we can add on more sales now, adding on the other product groups like packaging. So getting this knowledge into the group is super important. It is an investment in the beginning, but I'm sure it will pay off.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

Quarterly...

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

Profit and loss, we had an operating margin of 8.9%. The goal is on the group level to have this between 10 to 12%. If you adjust for these 3 million in currency effect, you're up to 10% here. You can also see here, like in year 2022 and 2021, we had an operating margin of 16, 17%. But if you look into historical numbers, this operating margin has been between 10 to 12%, and that is also our long-term goal to be there.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

Look at the quarter comparison in the sales numbers here.

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

Q1 here is the best quarter one ever we have done, sales-wise.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

So we, and there was a relatively strong order income in Q1, so we will see what happens. Oops, yeah, and the profit here, quarter-wise.

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

And as I mentioned, as you saw earlier, that these two in 2021, 2022, was extremely strong operating margins, like 17, 16%, which was extraordinary, I would say. And the goal is to come back to the 10%, 12%. Balance sheet, strong balance sheet. And that is also to make further steps that investments we are doing now, both in Bangladesh. Just to mention a few words about Bangladesh. We are still in the negotiation of the land. We expect to close that within the coming weeks. And from there on, really start the project. And the goal is to be ready within Q3, Q4, 2026 with a factory in Bangladesh, a new factory. And from there on, we will have two factories in Bangladesh. One is the existing one, which we will keep, which is in two different areas. That's why we want to keep two factories. One is inside an economical zone and one is outside, which gives us more flexibility. Other investments we are doing is in Portugal, where we will invest in more looms, and we will set up a lean production, change the existing one to lean production. We have employed a new production manager in Portugal, which started off really well.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

Other investments we have done is in Vietnam.

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

Production now is up and running. So it's more to come there. And we will also invest now in a small setup. It will not be big money, but we will start also in Sri Lanka. And that why we're doing this investment is because we are following our clients around in the world. It's not us who decides if we should go into the country or not. It's our client. We follow our clients and our client, they are the brand owners. So if they decided and we have a big demand, for example, for Sri Lanka, then we want to be there to serve our clients and be close to them. So it's we follow clients around the world. And our own production is approximately 20% of our total sales, which gives us flexibility as we are not stuck with big productions around in different countries. Here I will not go through all these in detail, but I want to mention this average number of employees. We are now up to 667 employees, which you can see we increased quite a lot. And the number of employees where we increased in, it has been in Vietnam where we set up a completely new production facility. It has been in Bangladesh where we increased a lot. It's been in Portugal. Portugal, we are now 94 employees, and a few years ago, we were only 45, so we almost doubled the size in Portugal, which is great. We see more and more demand for European production, following also, as I mentioned, our clients to be close to their production. and they're moving their production. China is still the biggest production country, and I think it will remain, but it's enough that if just a few percentage moves out of China, then it has a big impact on the other countries. Also, India is a country where we have employed, and we also set up an IT support for Nylon here in India, The advantage for that is that, of course, good knowledge about IT, but also time-wise, it's there on a different time zone versus we are here in Sweden. Otherwise, the IT central is here in Sweden. And it's, as you all know, it's very, with all these customers duties going on with the U.S. And I used to get those questions and our sales into U.S., directly sales into U.S. is very, very limited. It's not much. We're having some sales to U.S. clients, but those clients we don't supply in U.S. We supply them where they produce the garment, which can be like in China, Bangladesh, etc., And then we, of course, we have what we call indirect effect. It is if we have European clients selling into US and that it's for us almost impossible to predict how much that would be. But I would guess that it's not big, not huge at least. And then what I mentioned here also with the indirect effect, which I think could be some effect coming on. We don't see that effect at the moment, as you can see in the order income, but it might come. And that is more on the economical environment side. If we see a downturn on the consumer side in Europe and so on, For example, if the U.S. buys less German cars and the German consumer feels that and starts to buy less garment in Germany, that, of course, will have an impact on us, as it will have for the whole economy. But the direct effect is very limited for Nieland, which is good. But then, of course, indirect effect might have some impact. And that might come later on. We will see. You know that probably better than I do what happens here in the financial environment coming month. Outdoor segment I mentioned in the Q1. We still see an improvement in the outdoor segment if you compare Q1 with Q1 last year. Luxury segment has been slow in the quarter, especially affecting the packaging segment. And not any major things. It's just too much of stock that they are reducing. So we expect that to come back again. I mentioned last quarter proposed dividend, 1.5 Swedish kronor per share remains. So that is what the board will propose to the annual shareholders meeting. Bangladesh Factory. And we are very, very close now to sign the deal for land. It's not the purchase of land. It's a long-term 50 years lease of the land, which is paid up front. And then we will build a factory on that land. Portugal factory I mentioned, we now will change the structure in Portugal. We will invest in more looms. We have a new production manager, which we feel very comfortable with. Vietnam, we have done investment. It's now up and running. Before all the client and so on is fully up and running, it will take some time and also for them to trim in to be really efficient. Sri Lanka, it's on its way. It will be very small operation, no own production. It will just be a logistic center where we'll be buy locally and sell locally with the warehouse. Nealon Connect, we talked about that in the past, that digital solution. I will present that again here today so you have an understanding. That has been for us, for Nealon, a door opener for our salespeople when they are out visiting clients and so on. That is a door opener for them. In the past, we used to sell labels only now and with design that has been and still is our strength is design. But now we see more and more interest of this Nealon Connect and the digital product passport. Packaging technical manager and an area with packaging where we see big potential in and that will come. And we will not focusing on all different kind of packaging. Here I think we can be really good in also matching the outdoor segment of all the underwear packaging and so on. So here I think we can do really well in here. And with the strong balance sheet we have and with these investments we're doing, I think we are really well equipped for the future.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

Just a few words about the Nealon Connect.

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

The Neelam Connect is the data carrier where we provide information to the end consumer and back to the brand owners. In the garment, if you have a QR code or an NFC chip or an RFID, but nowadays RFID is mainly for logistic, for the brand owners to know and handling the logistic side, and they will know exactly how much of different garments they have in stock. So that is more logistic. And this is more to the consumers where they can communicate with the end consumers, with the owner of the jacket, etc. And the wear of the QR code is the most common one. NFC chip is slightly more expensive. So QR code is the most common. And everyone who owns a jacket with a QR code and so on know how to scan that. NFC chip is not that well known. So people sometimes don't know how to handle that.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

So that's why I think a QR code is the one to be. And why...

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

Why should Nilen connect? There are three things. The first and what has been the most recent to discuss with the client is the compliance side. This is what the clients now are stressed over. It is the digital product passport that is coming here in Europe that we need to provide information, legislations about where the garment contents and where it's produced, etc., We also see an increasing demand of repair, resell, and recycle of the garment, where the QR code will be really good to provide information how to repair, how you can use that for reselling and recycle the garment, what it contains of. And the third point is the consumer engagement. They can drive sales. They can communicate with the owner of the garment through this QR code. They can change. So when you scan the QR code, they can change so they can provide the information directly to the end consumers and interact with them. And creative loyalty, acquiring new customers. It can also be that we are looking into that they can talk to the consumers or the garment can talk to you, the owner of the jacket, or through AI where you can see where they need to wash it and so on, how to wash if you've got some spot on the jacket, then you can talk to them through this. Financial target, the goal is to growth by more than 7%, have an operating margin of at least 10% and a healthy balance sheet.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

So this is our goal and this is what we have achieved in the coming years.

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

And the goal is that all our customers are satisfied with our creativity, product, and service. And we do everything we can here to make a strong and interesting investment for the future.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

That was my presentation. I will just stop sharing here.

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

And I will ask Maria there if we have any questions.

speaker
Operator
Moderator

Yes, we do. We are running out of time, but I think we have the time for two questions that are quite interesting. So the first one is, could you please elaborate on how you think about investments in OPEX going forward?

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

Yes, and it is mainly Bangladesh that is the biggest one. We said earlier it will be like 11 million U.S. dollars investments, where I would say Bangladesh is 10 of them, Portugal is one, slightly more, yeah, 1.5 maybe. That is to come here, what is said now, we do now negotiating of the land, My expectation that this negotiation will be ready and we here in Q2 will pay up for the land, which is around one million US. And then the rest will be, then they will take some time to doing the design on the factory and so on. And then the investment will be. be proportioned over the next 1.5 years i would say so it is to come um but not over the time and the investment is split in in bangladesh the big investment split 50 i would say is the factory and land and 50 is in production facilities machinists and so on And those machineries, we will not invest in one shot. We will invest them once we get the demand for that. And I also got the question and what margin we are calculating on an investment like in Bangladesh. We have not disclosed that. But the reason for going into Bangladesh even more now is that Bangladesh is one of the most profitable companies we have in the group. And we see still demand, big demand there, and that we could fulfill. And I'm not so afraid of investment in Bangladesh as... There are clients that we can take on board for big retailers that we can fill a factory. And there's a demand for this factory will be a state of the art factory. So there is the bond in Bangladesh to have good factories with good compliance and so on.

speaker
Operator
Moderator

Thank you. And we also had one question, and I think it's more about understanding the business. Hi, could you elaborate on the tariffs? It is related to US. Are your products being shipped to the US through your customers?

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

Yeah, that was what I tried to explain earlier there, that we almost have no sales at all directly to U.S. We don't invoice any clients in U.S. directly. We have clients in U.S., not many, but the clients we have, we deliver to their vendors, which can be like in China, India, Bangladesh, et cetera. And then they import their garment into U.S., And we also have European clients that are selling into US for sure, but we don't know how much. So we don't have a direct impact, it's more indirect impact. And what we have seen so far, we have not seen an effect of that, not yet at least. But I think if it will be a slowdown in the economy in Europe, that will have a bigger impact on us due to the tariffs. So it's more... The risk on the downside is more on the indirect effects than the direct effect, I would say.

speaker
Maria Fogelström
CFO

Thank you.

speaker
Christian Magnusson
CEO

Very good. Thank you very much, everyone, for listening. And don't hesitate to come back if there are questions at all. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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