Orexo AB (publ)

Thank you very much. And my clock went a little early, so I will take a slow start here. So welcome to the OREXO first quarter result. As our headline indicate, we think one of the main items for this quarter is this is the first real quarter where we can show that our guidance and our monitoring of our underlying profitability is actually correct. And we have some significant non-recurring expenses during 23 and early in the beginning of 23 and in 2022 and now here in the first quarter a lot of these expenses have gone away so we have seen the EBITDA improving compared to last year with 57 million Swedish kronor which is very much in line with our guidance and acts a little better than I think both we and the market have expected however the the um This quarter also had a little mixed back because our subsoil sales, and I'll come back to that, was not fully meeting our expectations. But I believe there are some good explanations to that. And on top of that, we have an R&D development where some have gone very good and others, we have some small setbacks, but I think they're manageable. But that takes me to the conference. I will present today with Fredrik Jastein, who will go through the financials of the company, and I will end up with the future drivers of the company. But first, a little highlight of our key achievements for the first quarter. As I said, we had a positive EBITDA with 16 million Swedish. It's a quite good result, in particular internally based on the Subsol sales where we saw Subsol had a significant destocking and I will come back to that shortly. But also in looking at comparator year, last year we had a first stocking from Accord. So last year there was a higher sales in Europe due to our supply to Accord. They're right now using the supply that we've sent to them earlier and therefore we didn't see that come back in this quarter. But of course we expect sales to a court coming again in future quarters. So the sub-salt decline was very much due to a destocking. And we have seen this slight underlying development in demand. But looking at, for example, sales to pharmacies, we actually had a positive trend in the first quarter. So the price increase we had in the beginning of the year is definitely helping us from a sales perspective. But we are not in control of the inventory levels at the wholesalers and in this quarter. We had a quite unusual situation which lowered the inventory quite significantly. And I will come back to that in more detail. Our costs are down 31% from our first quarter last year. That puts us quite good ahead of our guidance of 530 million for depreciations across the company. So we are in a good situation on the cost side. We did during the quarter refinance our corporate bond. We did that for the first time under sustainability framework. What I was quite pleased to see was it was nearly oversubscribed with 100% and we had a lot of new investors coming in, in particular from internationally, both from the US and continental Europe. Our FDA review with OX124 is going well on many accounts. Our review of our supply chain has been completed with the external manufacturer. It appears to have gone well. However, there are some questions that we received recently from FDA around the use of the device and the instructions for use that indicate that we need to go back and complement our applications. And if that is the case, that will drive a delay. But we believe that this can be done within the timeframe we have guided about before, which has been 10 to 13 months and a launch late in 2024. and or early 2025. So while it's a little setback, it is something that we had built into our guidance previously. Our partnership with SOBI, which we today can say was one of the companies we worked with last year on the feasibility study, we have worked on the partnership or collaboration with SOBI and advanced it now into a more formal partnership where we are testing their molecule in Amofox on several different dimensions. We have also started a new collaboration with a vaccine company where we're testing one more vaccine on Amofox. We believe that Amofox is quite well suited for vaccines. So this is important for us to generate data on this. And we are quite pleased to start up a new collaboration with a vaccine company to test a different type of vaccines. We have tested other vaccines in the platform before with good results, but this is a new type of vaccines that we will test. That takes us to our US commercial update. So there are a little uniqueness during this quarter that have had, and actually starting last year, some of it that have had impact on SubSol. The first and most significant for this individual quarter is that we did see a quite significant decline in inventory from the large wholesalers in February, March. And when they're declining their inventory, that means that we don't sell to the wholesalers. What is unique is that we haven't seen the same change on demand. We haven't seen the same change in sales to pharmacies. And we have seen this abnormal decline. It's actually reported from other companies active in the same areas we are with controlled substances. have also seen a decline in the same period of time. So we think this is a little more systemic, probably more focused on control substances, but we have seen a quite unusual development in the first quarter, which of course has a direct impact on SobSol as we report our sales to wholesalers. Another thing that has happened, which is a real trend break, starting last summer, we have seen the otherwise main driver of growth has been Medicaid for many years. But during last summer, we saw the growth slowing down. And in Q3, we started to see Medicaid decline. And this has accelerated into a quite rapid decline in Medicaid here in the first quarter with nearly 10%. In parallel, we have seen a growth in the commercial sector. So we've seen this disenrollment with Medicaid for the last, say, three quarters, where more than 20 million people have left Medicaid. And this, we believe, is very much connected to COVID, where we saw an increase in enrollment in Medicaid, and people are now leaving Medicaid. And also, I believe it's tightly connected to the unemployment situation in the US, where the unemployment rates are very low, meaning that more people get a job and can then get commercial insurance. This has a lot of impact on the market dynamic, as we see the largest segment is declining with nearly 10%, In parallel, we see the commercial increasing with the same number. A lot of the increase in commercial is Medicaid patients moving over to commercial. But we also see right now it is the commercial segment and Medicare where we see some growth. The third thing that has happened in the quarter is excellent. February 20th, in the middle of that abnormal inventory in the week where we saw the largest decline in inventory. United Health Group had its subsidiary Change Health, which is managing the claims processes between physicians, patients, and pharmacists. They had a ransomware attack, which means that a lot of physicians didn't get paid for their patients. We have seen pharmacies not getting paid for their pharmaceuticals. And we believe that have had some impact on some physicians. We definitely know some physicians have not taken in the same amount of patients. It's very hard to see exactly where it is, but it does coincide with some of the changes we've seen in the market, for example, on the inventory. And Change Health is managing about a third of the claims in the U.S. as a subsidiary. So it's by far the largest claims processing center that has been impacted by this cyber attack. So coming back to soft salt and the sales and here, these are new numbers. We haven't shared those before, but if you look at the graph here, the green line is the stable line. If you have different coloring, that is the sales to pharmacies. And we have averaged it out over four weeks. So these are not individual weeks and you can see the sales to pharmacies is quite stable and actually have a quite little upward trend during the second half of last year and coming into the early start of this year. So sales to pharmacies, has gone quite well. And we actually, this first quarter, we have seen higher sales to pharmacies than we did first quarter last year. That would normally be followed by a sales to wholesalers at the same level. But because over time, those two numbers, of course, have to be exactly the same. So we need to sell to the wholesalers what they sell to pharmacies. But if you look at the dip that we see here in February, March, there's a significant dip in our sales to wholesalers, which has not been followed by so far by an increase in the sales to wholesalers. That's, of course, not something you can't see that continuing down. So it needs to normalize over time. And we have we're seeing right now here in the second quarter that the sales to pharmacies and to wholesalers is quite it's much more aligned than it was under these few weeks in February where we saw this significant drop in sales to wholesalers. And just for comparison, you can see last year we had a much more normal tendency where you can see I included the numbers for December, where you can see there's an increase in December in both in sales to wholesalers and also sales to pharmacies, and that is followed by a dip in the early Q1. We see a little the same here, 23, 24, where we see a little increase in December in sales to pharmacies. We see sales to pharmacies dipping a little further and then coming back up. But we have never seen that kind of adjustment that we saw here in the first quarter. And again, this is not unique to Rexo. We have seen that in other companies' quarterly reports also. So a unique situation, but it will normalize. And that gave us confidence to say that we believe that our sales in the next quarters will be better than what we report here in the first quarter. sales in general we continue to see a quite good development in medicaid where we have outperformed the market this quarter as you just said in the beginning medicaid have actually declined quite dramatically with nine percent compared to last year whereas we are seeing a year-over-year of about zero percent so we don't grow but we're not losing and our driver in in medicaid is definitely our new contracts where we continue to see very good growth in new york which is actually now passing our First year anniversary, that was from December last year. Kentucky, same thing, also double digit growth. And Indiana, where we actually see an accelerating increase. Last quarter, it's 196%, but now we're actually more than 200% increase in Indiana, where we received reimbursement in July last year. We have increased the prices with 4% from January 1st. So that's something that in sales to pharmacies and wholesalers will impact. Overall, the market continues with a relatively low growth. It's just below 3%. And that is really right now, we see similar decline percentage-wise in Medicaid as we see growth in commercial. But since Medicaid is a larger segment, the growth in commercial is not good enough to drive it up. But we also see good numbers in Medicare, which is growing. Medicaid remains the largest segment. in the space right now. Digital mental health program, it is a difficult market and while I see a significant need for this, it's a view that is shared by the Center for Medicaid Services, CMS. We have not seen any scalable solution on the reimbursement and distribution and that is a problem for REC, so it's also a problem for other parties We could drive sales, but what we've seen previously is when we did start to see some sales, the cost needed to drive sales were not feasible long run. We had to invest many more dollars in for the sales that we got out. So we have decided to right now approach this in a very cost-conscious way where we continue working with pilots and we're only pushing expenses when we see that we will have some traction in the market. So in Veteran Affairs, where we have been reimbursed from the 1st of January, we are now working together with an external vendor to start up some pilot programs. We are also more on MoDiA, but could include some of the other digital therapies. We are collaborating with leading healthcare providers in several states where we have made shared grant applications to these opioid abatement funds, which are now more than $50 billion. to see if we can start up programs where we integrate, in particular, our digital health solutions to improve treatment of opioid use disorder. But we continue to approach this in a very cost-conscious way. It's a very small team at Orexo who work with that right now. But we are working actively together with the Center for Medicaid Services to see if we can establish a reimbursement model. And if that comes in place and we can see that there are opportunities, we would be ready to invest more into the market. But before we see that, we are holding back on our expenses in this space. That takes us to our products under development, starting with Amorphix and our new collaboration, so we did start a collaboration with SOBI earlier this year where we continued the work we did last year with them to optimize the formulation work, to extend the stability studies to see that we can, with the formulation work we are doing, get more stability data. We're also looking together with SOBI on what is the optimal route of administration, how are we going to use our amorphox powder in the best way. on their molecule. So a good collaborative partnership, but we are still in an early stage, but of course something where we expect if this materializes in a good way, it will end up in a more normal licensing and co-development partnership. Then we started up a new collaboration with a vaccine company where we are testing Amorphox on a new vaccine to again strengthen our documentation and understanding of how Amorphox could be used on vaccines. OX124, as I said, we have some good promising results. We never know the outcome before we have received the final decision by FDA. So we have seen an audit of our external suppliers. There are always observations, but right now we believe that that was completed with good results. But what we have received and that this is basically within more or less as we speak, we have received some inquiries and questions from FDA regarding the instructions for use. And this is back to what we can call human factor studies. So we need to show that the actual users or actually not the people who get it prescribed, but a bystander on the street needs to understand exactly how they're going to use the product. And here FDA had some observations and comments to our suggested instructions for use. And they also asked us to make changes on the device to improve the instructions for a particular bystander. And this is something we are implementing as we speak and where, but we can see before we get data, this will put the due for date on 15th of July most likely will be in jeopardy. We haven't received any final decision from FDA, but we, again, being transparent, looking into the questions we received, we expect this could lead to a delay. However, it's not unexpected, as we have seen similar situations for basically all other rescue medications. There are none recently who have been approved in the timeframe of 10 months. So this is not completely surprising, and this is something that we have put into the guidance when we have said we have seen 10 to 13 months. And we still, based on what we have right now, if everything goes well with these updates, we still believe that we can be in a position where we could launch late this year or early 2025. OECD 640, we have been going to FDA. that in our last quarterly report we have now received the feeding feedback from fda on our briefing book where we outlined our clinical development program this is of course something we're now bringing into the partner discussions that we have ongoing and something that has been been anticipated for in the discussions we've had because this is giving clarity about the development cost that you have to expect for the program we presented the results from ox640 at the AAAI annual meeting so this is the largest meeting with an allergy in the US and we received a lot of spontaneous positive feedback on the unique properties of OX640 which give us more confidence that we have a product that has a meaningful differentiation in this market. On OX124 just to remind us this is still coming we hope late this year or early next year from a launch perspective and it is a high dose Naloxone product. What is unique is the powder base where we have seen before that our bioavailability is very high, but we also believe that the stability of the product makes it important in particular in certain regions. For example, being a powder, you are not subject to freeze. So if you're liquid and you get into freezing temperatures, the product will freeze and not be able to use. But with OX124 being a powder, we have tested our powder down to minus 18 degrees Celsius and it still works nicely without any impact on the functionality of the product. The market that we enter is very dynamic and part of our going to market strategy has been all the time to ensure we have people in place who understand the market. And I'm very pleased to say here from May 1st, we have a commercial lead starting in the US. who will lead the commercialization of OX124. She has worked previously with the leading brand in the market. She has been working with this rescue market for several years. She's both been working with a product on the market, but also been looking into new product developments into the market. So has been an integral part of this opioid rescue medication market for several years. And I can say already now, after a few days, we are receiving a lot of positive input from our newest employee in the US. That takes us to the financial and legal overview, and I will let Fredrik take over the presentation.

Thank you, Nicolai. So on page 16, we look at our revenue. I start by looking at the top part of the page. you can see a total revenue in Q1 amounted to 139 million. Of that revenue, obviously, subsole within U.S. commercial is the main contributor with 129 million SEC for the quarter, which is down year over year with 8%. Now, the main explanation for that decline is the higher wholesale destocking effect, which, as Nikolaj explained earlier, it's a normal seasonal effect in Q1 after an inventory buildup in Q4 the previous year, and that usually normalized the next quarter. But this year, the destocking was quite substantial. This was just partly offset by a favorable payer mix then, and the FX impact from a weaker USD exchange rate was also negative in the quarter. Now in relation to subsoil ex-US revenues in Q1 from supply of tablets to our partner Accord, the reason for the major difference in revenues compared to Q1 last year is the previous inventory buildup at Accord that had a very positive effect on net revenue back then. And this year also lack of revenue is affected by timing of deliveries to respective European markets. So the revenues we are royalties from Accord on their product sales, which are on a low level, reflecting still an early phase in the rollout on respective European markets. If you look at Subsol specifically and Q1 compared to Q4 last year, you can see in the waterfall graph on the bottom part of the page, higher wholesale inventory stocking of almost 21 million is also from a quarter of a quarter perspective, the main explanation of why net revenue decreased. The demand for SUBSOL expressed in net revenue terms declined with a total of approximately 2% as shown in the first three bars, while the market for buprenorphine naloxone grew 1% quarter over quarter. There is also slightly favorable pay-mix effect in the quarter. In conclusion, you can see in the graph that in local currency, SUBSOL net revenue decreased by Approximately 12% between the quarters. Going to the next page, our P&L. Very happy to show such a strong start of the year in relation to a profitability or EBTA, which in the quarter, despite lower net revenues, improved by 57 million SEC, as Nikolaj said, to 15.9 million compared to Q1 last year. And when doing the exercise that we usually do of adjusting for non-repeating costs, That would imply an even more positive EBITDA of 24 million SEK. Now, to explain this strong result, first of all, when it comes to cost of goods sold, the majority of the 13 million is related to US commercial, or to be more specific, that is 12.7 million. And compared to Q1 last year, we were actually able to improve our gross margin in US commercial from 89 to 90%. But now the decrease in the absolute amount of COGS since last year from 29 to 30 million is though reflecting the lack of sale of SubSol X US tablets to Accord this quarter. Second of all, when you look at our operating expenses in Q1, we have significantly lower OPEX compared to Q1 last year, following lower expenses for the IP litigation, coming down from 37 million to 2.3 million. We had lower expenses in U.S. commercial, or more specifically within digital mental health products and its leaner organization and more cost-efficient processes. And then also within R&D and the MoDiA study, which was finalized in Q3 last year, and together with lower development costs for OX124, that means a big save in expenses this quarter. The US dollar weakened slightly in the first quarter compared to last year, and the total FX effect on EBIT was a positive 2 million. So in summary, OPEX came in at 131 million this quarter, which is 59 million or 31% lower than Q1 last year. Now following US commercial as a segment, the EBITDA contribution from a US business amounted to 43 million for the quarter, which is a margin of 33%, and that is slightly down from 35% last year. Finally, financial items. We have an unrealized FX impact of 2 million SEC on our cash held in US dollars and lower cost for the old corporate bond of CX 7.7 million compared to last year as a result of the purchase we did of 49 million in nominal value of the old bond. Moving to the next page on cash flow, you can see that liquid funds, which is cash, cash equivalents, that amounted to 198 million SEK end of Q1. That is an increase by 27 million from end of Q4. So where does that come from? Well, following the strong EBTA development in Q1, cash flow from operating activities before changes in working capital was positive for the quarter with 4.3 million SEK. That's an improvement by 53 million compared to Q1 last year. Otherwise, cash flow for the quarter was heavily affected by the settlement of the first part of the refinancing of the bond that we completed in the quarter. So just a few words on that. Orexo issued 500 million of a four-year senior secure bond at a price of three months TBR plus 650 basis points. which today after the central bank's message would be an interest rate of approximately 10.35% per annum. So the first part of the transaction was recognized in Q1 and that had a negative impact on changes in working capital. That's due to the fact that we prepaid for Orexo's own purchase of the new bond loan of 25 million. Now financing activities on the other hand were positively impacted by this sale of 49 million worth of the old OREXO bond. So in summary, the first part of the transaction added a net of 24 million to our liquidity. The second part of the settlement will be recognized in Q2. In the cash flow, we also had investment activities, 1.2 million, and that's from investments in equipment to the development organization. And total cash flow for the period ended up at 23.2 million. and then adding the FX effect on cash of 3.8 million, that ups to the increase in cash of 27 million that I mentioned before. With interest bearing liabilities of 498 approximately million, our net debt end of Q1 was 299.8 million. I just want to mention that in the table of key figures on page 20 in the report, there is a different number for the net debt, and this will be corrected in the report published on our webpage. On the next page, our financial outlook for 2024, we put that up for the first time in the Q4 report. We stated that we expect market growth at 2 to 5 percent, subsole net sales in line with 2023 in US dollars, OPEX below 520 million and a positive EBITDA. Now, with the actuals presented today and the explanations given, especially on the subsole net sales, we can conclude that these metrics are reaffirmed. And with that, I give back to Nicolai for the legal update.

Thank you very much, Fredrik. And of course, let's just refer to the financial outlook that we, in the sub-sale net sales built in here, is that we expect to see a normalization of the inventory levels as we proceed. Right now, they are, with some of the wholesalers, actually at the record low level, nearly a week less of inventory than we've seen historically. And when we come to the Q1 legal update, we have not seen anything on the patent dispute. It's surprising to us, to be honest, that we have not received a date for the hearing with the Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal would normally have hearings or they have hearings in the first week of every month. So we are now expecting that the hearing is probably coming in the early autumn. But we haven't received a date yet for when the appeal is. But we do actually see some faster development based on some recent decisions made by the federal court on some similar questions as have been used in the appeal by Sun. They have ruled in favor in another case in a way that we believe is applicable on our case also, which further strengthen our case. Coming to our U.S. government investigations of SubSov, nothing really has happened. We do receive some questions. They are still talking to some of our employees or former employees. We can see that the focus is on certain historic marketing messages and campaigns we've been running. But I will say that all of our marketing messages have been going through medical, legal, and regulatory review, and the legal review is actually done by an external lawyer. So it's very, very hard for us to see that we've done anything wrong, and we've not been presented with something where we can see, okay, this is something we should have done differently. But we, of course, still collaborating with the authorities when they're asking for information. We're sharing that. But it is now approaching its fourth anniversary and something that I would really like to see that we can put behind us. So Orexo have reached out to see if there are opportunities to seek a settlement on this matter, as we are still paying a decent amount of legal fees to have this case running. We think it would be favorable for the company to put it behind us, even though that would mean that we have to do a settlement. A little short on our future drivers, I will say that I'm fully aware that our share price and our value creation is not based on our ability to tighten the belt and lower our expenses. I do find it's incredibly important for Rexel to show that we can tighten the belt when needed to ensure stability for the company. We can reach positive EBITDA numbers, I would say we are very close to say we have our fourth quarter in a row with positive EBITDA. We did have a little dip in the third quarter last year, but if you recall, that was when we had to pay the fee to FDA for the application for weeks one to four. Without that, this would have been our fourth quarter with a positive EBITDA. And we see that improves also, even when we are adjusting for these non-recurring items. But what is important for the company is, of course, our top line. And to drive our top line, there's basically ensuring that our foundation subsoil is stabilized, that we will have stable, decent development of subsoil moving forward. But where the real growth is supposed to come is from the pipeline. It is from the launch of OX124. So, of course, any delay in the launch plan of OX124 is delaying that possible launch. At the same time, you could say every delay will also delay some of the expenses that we need to take around the launch of OX124. we are seeing that launch of new products is important to grow our commercial revenues. And we in particular have high expectations on the launch of new pharmaceuticals or digital therapies or digital mental health programs. We still think it's an interesting opportunity, but right now we see that more like an option than something we're really putting a lot of money behind to drive. Our Amorphox technology is something that we believe can drive not only income from our own commercialization, but also from partnership. And here, too, are partnerships within, in particular, biomolecules, where we believe that the Amorphix technology is very well suited to solve some of the issues that have been seen with biomolecules around stability and also around the other delivery methods of the product. You can move from an injectable to a nasal spray. or you can take away some of the inconvenience or pain that is felt with some of the injections due to some of the preservatives that are put into the product. So Amalfox is broadening the opportunity for more efficient drug delivery for biomolecules. So partnership like the one we have with Soapy is something that we believe long-term could be a very nice driver of growth for the company. And then we have OX640, which again, where we have been A little in the vacuum here because of the uncertainty around of the development program, but now when we have more clarity, we believe there are strengthened opportunity for us to find a partnership for OX640. It's still an opportunity in particular based on the feedback we got from physicians at the conference in the US that gave us even more confidence that we have a product that has a meaningful differentiation in the eyes of the physicians and of the patients. So summarizing, growing commercial revenues and profit contribution is important and we see that will happen through capitalizing on our drug delivery technology and of course improving access to treatment for all of our products. So for us growth is important but while we're waiting for these next growth drivers it is incredibly important to secure a strong profitability and balance sheet or strengthening the profitability from where we are right now. With that I will leave it over to questions and thank you for your attention.

If you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key 5 on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial pound key 6 on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Ned Brown from Prairie Capital. Please go ahead.

Nicolai, I don't have... question, but I have two pieces of news that could be relevant to subsolid growth. One is in South Carolina, where I live, the state is using some of their opioid settlement funds to start a mail order buprenorphine pharmacy. It'll greatly help improve distribution, particularly in rural counties in the state. It will be a buprenorphine naloxone product because that's what the DEA wants. So that should be operational in the fall. As I said, the state has put money behind it. The second point related to Zubsol is that the Department of Health and Human Services issued a request for grants last week to 59 state and US territory. So the states specifically have to apply for the money. It's a fairly staggering 1.48 billion US dollars over three years. And one of the key criteria that they want to see from the states is expanded distribution of buprenorphine to people you know, we're trying to get it. So whether it's just total numbers of people on buprenorphine or Medicaid coverage or whatever, uh, that's a, as I said, it's 1.46 billion us over three years. So you might want to partner with your, your friends in New York, Kentucky and Indiana to make sure they, their requests have to be in by July one. So that leaves less than seven weeks to get the grant requests in. So, I just wanted to pass that along. I hope it's helpful.

Thank you very much, Ned, and thank you for your comment at last quarter. I know you have been in touch with some of my US-based colleagues, and there have been some discussions about how we could leverage some of these opportunities. I think you're putting the head on the nail here with regards to the grant money and the opioid settlement funds. I'm pleased to hear that also this kind of movement is made from a national level. We are working in several states in the U.S. We have grants and right now working with health care providers to access some of these funds actually by coming up with programs that could improve access to medications and other solutions. So we are working actually with this, but it's, of course, and we are a small player here. So we need to work with other partners who have direct access to the patients. And I appreciate a lot of your comments. So thank you. So, Breda, any other questions?

The next question comes from Samir Devani from RX Securities. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I think I have three. So maybe just kicking off on OX124 and the additional work that you need to do and complete. I'm just wondering, do you think you'll have that done before the original adieu for date? So I guess that's question one. And then just still on with the FDA, you mentioned in the report about completing some of the discussions regarding OX640 on the clinical trial. I'm just wondering what else is left to complete And now having had those discussions, do you feel less or more confident in your ability to partner that product this year? And then my final question is for Frederick. Just on the corporate bond, you mentioned that there will be a further settlement in Q2. I'm just wondering if you could maybe take us through what the cash flow impact of that settlement will be. Thanks very much.

Yeah, I will take the two first. And as you said, Frederick, I will happily leave the last question to him. So the first one with OX124. So we knew that the area that FDA was highlighting was an area where we had expected there could be questions from the agency. And we have worked in parallel to see what kind of mitigation strategies do we have? What kind of mitigation activities do we have? So we have advanced the process to find a solution for this. Then the thing. So we believe we have a solution in place which could be implemented well ahead of the final date. The thing is, we would probably need to test that in a population also. And there it actually depends a little on the timing of some of the we're doing some some pre testing right now of these concepts to see what kind of feedback we get. I would say it's very borderline whether we'll have that rated before the PDUFA date, which is one of the reasons why we believe it could be leading to a delay in the approval process. But it would be, we would not have done the right job if we are not working on a mitigation plan. And of course, you know, some of the weaknesses and strengths in your application when you send it in and this around the human factor is It's a difficult one. It's something that we've seen in a lot of other rescue medications where you need to iterate. And we had some mixed results in the first study that we knew could be an issue for the FDA. And they came back. But in the interim, we have actually worked on the supply chain to see what can we do both on the device to make it more clear how to operate it, but also in the instructions for use. So we were ready, but of course we hadn't taken the cost to test these new concepts before we knew exactly what to test. And that's coming on the questions we received basically within the last few weeks from FDA. On OX640, I wouldn't say that for the US market we have, there's of course other stuff you need to get from FDA as we proceed, but this was really the critical part was around the clinical program. We sent in a program where we built in some of the feedback we saw for the AIS Pharma products. So we basically adjusted the clinical program we had planned initially based on the feedback they received and we sent it to FDA and we got it. We didn't get it. There was no changes coming back from FDA. So in that way, it was quite positive. And I think the clinical program can be done in a relatively smooth manner. It's not a very big program. So I think this was and it's good for the partnership. I do think that one of the things that we do receive questions from partners is around Europe and what are the requirements for EMA. And that's a little of a timing and tactical question for us is when do we reach out to EMA and what way. So I think that's something that some of the partners would appreciate to get more feedback on. But the biggest market in any calculations for this is the US market. I think we have a quite clear pathway for what we need to do to get it approved in the US. And the team continues to work on this. I'll just say that while we're talking with partners, it's not like we're stopping the development program at Owexo. So we continue to work on it, and I think right now we have basically what we need for these partnering discussions. And that leads to Fredrik on the...

Yes, the actual transaction was done in March and that happened to be over the quarter ending. So that's why the first part was related to our own transactions on the bond, which is selling the old bond 49 million and acquiring the new bond of 25 million. So that's why the positive contribution in liquidity for the quarter. Next quarter we did acquire additional 5 million of the bond. So that is negative. So if you compare the situation for us we will end up in the new bond with holding on 30 million SEC compared to 50 million SEC in the old bond. And then we have obviously costs for the bond issue and that will be put on the balance sheet, but obviously we need to pay it.

That's great, thanks very much.

Any other questions?

okay why the next question comes from class Palin from Carnegie please go ahead hello and thank you for taking my questions maybe I'm just having a question what you already have answered but just to clarify and the what you got from FDA regarding Oh x640 the clinical pathway forward that is sort of in line with what you have been discussing with the potential partners with previously?

I would say it depends on what partner. There's one partner where I think this will come as a positive or But it will come, so they are aware. So this is, I think it's smaller than what they have planned. The other partner, ISVOK, have come in here after we have submitted this to the FDA. So I think they're building their case based on what we submitted to the FDA. But there was one partner that we worked with last summer and who is still part of the mix right now. And the program we have is definitely leaner than the program that they were planning with.

The future studies you need to do, they sort of are also in line with your timeline to get the OX640 to a filing?

We have to So we can definitely do the studies within that timeline, but we are very interested in having a partner on board before we go into the studies. So right now I will not commit to a timeline for how we're going to run it.

Perfect. Just a question about this wholesaler destocking. Have this had any impact on access was subsolving other controlled substances for patients?

Have you heard anything about? As you saw on the graph that I showed, the sales to pharmacies were actually quite stable. So we did see some of the wholesalers. Part of the effect was maybe that some of the wholesalers during the second half of last year had built up a little higher inventory than what they usually have. So I think we had two effects. First, when we entered the year, they were on a slightly higher level. Normally, we see that increase just before Christmas, but we didn't see that this year. But if you look across the second half of the year, there was a slight buildup starting in the late Q3 and then into Q4. And then it was stable and then they dropped down. But right now, two of the wholesalers are at very, very low levels. And but sales to pharmacies has been stable. And we actually asked our sales force if there are any complaints about access to the product. And we haven't heard that. So so we think this it is that many is. Speculative reasons for this, we know there are new, some of them have a more strict view on how much opioid controlled substance they can have on inventory. So that could be an effect that they're actually reducing the inventory of controlled substance in general. We also know that at least one of them referred to in their quarterly report that they had to pay money into the opioid abatement funds as part of the settlement during the first quarter. it could be a way to free up cash that they actually reduce the inventory on some products. And the natural products to do this on are products where you have a relatively stable supply and stable demand. So OREXO has not at any single time during 10 years been out of stock. So we have been able to supply them whenever they have sent the order. And I think that is important. If you want to go down in inventory, then you need to be sure that you will get supply from the supplier when needed. And since Orexo have been very stable as a supplier, I think that in one way penalize us in this process because they're quite certain that even going down to one week less of inventory, they would still be able to supply the market. But right now we believe that they are on an unusual low level. So we would expect some kind of normalization in the second quarter. Okay, perfect.

And then I would like to jump to your own balance sheet and inventory. It was up during the quarter. Is this related to this effect or is there any other reasons?

Not any other reasons. That's regular operations consequences, I would say.

Should we see this as more of a normal level compared to what we saw in Q4 then?

I think in hindsight, Q4 was maybe a little higher than what we usually see, but we didn't see any buildup in Q4 dramatic in a few weeks, which we have done previously, as you also saw the year before where I included the numbers for December the year before you saw some jump up in December. We didn't see that this year, but I would be surprised if at least these two of the three large wholesalers in the US are right now at a level which is very low. I would be surprised if they're not jumping up a little. How much that will impact the overall inventory, I don't know, but they should continue to lower is unlikely. I cannot see that we should have this effect coming into Q2 also. that you see an even further gap. So either they normalize and we will follow the sales to pharmacists. But if you look at the curve, that was much higher per week than what we report in sales to wholesalers. So if we can just stay on that level throughout Q2, that will have improved sales numbers. If it's a compensation that they actually increase inventory somewhat during the quarter, that will, of course, strengthen sales even further.

Perfect. Last question about you have been quite successful in lowering your OPEX. Are we at the sort of a bottom level now or I mean ex-legal costs or do you see further improvements that could be possible?

I mean, we can just conclude that doing the math, we are well below the target. But we know that other costs are entering the scene regarding some sort of commercialization efforts, preparation, OX124. So I think we can't give any more guidance on that.

But I would say we are constantly looking for how we can lower expenses. And that goes for everything we are reviewing. After COVID, we have less people in the office. We are looking at our office space in Uppsala. We are working continuously with our cost of goods. And it's quite simple. If we can lower our expenses for subsoil, improve our gross margin with 1%, that translates into about 6 million in profit. So any percent that we can work on our gross profit is important. So we're also looking at continuous ways that we can improve our cost of goods sold. So I don't think a cost conscious approach is ever ending. You just need to focus. But that is, of course, also to free up money, to put money where we can see growth. And that could be OX124. It could be further investments into OX640 or other development programs that where we want to invest. So overall, I wouldn't expect us to come at a lower level, but if you just take the business as we are right now, I think there will be additional savings. We hope to free up money that we can invest in other places.

Perfect. Very good. Thank you so much for taking my questions. Thank you.

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We received a question also from the web and that was around digital mental health programs and can we expect any revenues from that in the future quarters? I would say we have a decent amount of shot on goals that we believe could lead to income coming from digital mental health. Some of the grant applications we have, I think could be recognized more under the other income than on revenues, but it will be a positive, you can say, income stream to Rexo. And of course, I would just say these grants, why are you doing that? Shouldn't they lead to revenues? The idea is, of course, that we're running projects together with healthcare providers, which if successful, could be scaled up to a much bigger solution, which would give you a more ongoing business opportunity. We have several grants, in several states right now, if they are successful, they would lead to income coming on digital mental health. We are also working on the VA where we are now starting up with a new vendor who have been working successfully to starting up digital mental health programs in some states in the US. And we will see where if they can use that experience to also help us navigating the veteran affairs community. So we have shots on goals, but I must admit that I have been wrong before on digital mental health. So I have to be a little cautious on what kind of guidance. I would say so much. I do believe we will get some income to digital mental health. Will it be material to OREXO compared to our income from SOPSOV and royalty streams? That I doubt will happen here in the next few quarters. With that, we have no further questions. And in Sweden today, it's actually, I think the stock market has closed now. So it's a half day. So I'm pleased all of you who dialed in and listened to this call. So thank you so much and have a pleasant day. Bye.