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2/19/2025
Thank you and welcome everyone to today's presentation of our Q4, where Martin and I will provide an overview of our financial performance and key developments this quarter. Looking at the full year 24, Prisma have geared up for 25. One of the key highlights that we would like to start with is our successful refinancing of our loan with Swedbank and Norea, which we communicated this morning. This involves approximately 70% of our loan portfolio. This is fantastic news for Prisma and later in this presentation, Martin will go through the terms and explain how this will impact the company's earnings. In Q4, we continue to see strong rental income growth with an 18% increase year over year. Our rental income reached 102 million SEK, up from 87 million. This growth was driven by acquisitions, completed projects and CPI adjusted leases. Adjusted profit from property management amounted to 47 million SEK compared to 36 million last year, an increase of 31%. Currently, we have 130 properties with a total valuation of 7.3 billion SEK. We've added six properties this quarter. This includes City Grossinghör, a retail park in Gamelstaden in Gothenburg and a property in Mora, where we plan to develop 5,400 square meters of grocery and discount retail. In total, we have completed acquisitions of 525 million this quarter. Going forward, we aim to do more acquisitions while continuing focus on our project pipeline. Furthermore, we have signed several long lease agreements, strengthening our position in both Sweden and Denmark. This resulted in a net letting of 15 million SEK for the quarter, helping us to maintain a 99% occupancy rates. We are also pleased to sustain a high vault of 8.7 years, despite recent acquisitions that have impacted this metric on the downside. Next slide. There have been some changes among our top 10 tenants. We continue to grow with Ville, which is now our second largest tenant. And with Axfood's acquisition of City Gross, Axfood now represents 14% of our total rental income. With all acquisitions made June Q4, the share of rental income from grocery tenants has increased to 23%. And long term, we see that we're heading towards 30 to 40%. Our acquisitions in Q4 and the coming quarters will affect our vault. But our organization is working hard with renegotiating contracts set to expire in the coming years to be able to defend our high vault.
Looking on the property portfolio, we have increased the letting area from last quarter to this quarter by 11%. On the back of, of course, the acquisitions in Hör and Gothenburg, the valuations are up slightly from Q3, where we got 662 average exit yield and now 658. So a slight positive in the P&L there. And also we have talked about the acquisitions and it's been an active quarter with out of the 852 acquisitions you see there in the waterfall, 525 are actually from Q4. So a very active quarter.
When it comes to our ongoing projects, we currently have five with an expected average yield cost of 7.9. The first one, Hör, that in the Östhammar, it's an ongoing construction of a dollar store where we signed a loan lease agreement 15 years. Estimated completion is in Q4 this year. Then we have a project in Vändersborg where we have Koststa, there we have assigned a 10 year lease with estimated completion in Q4. Both our projects in Ljusdal and Eksjö are ongoing and both of them will be finalized now in March. And our project in Denmark in Stövring where we signed a loan lease agreement with Hårdarn Nyborg, that is an estimated completion in Q2. If we look at the construction starts the coming quarters, we continue to ramp up and plan to start as many projects as soon as possible. Some projects are planned to start earlier than expected and some have moved forward one quarter. This quarter we have added three new projects on the list that we plan to start later this year. This concerns Vilis in Lycksele where we signed a loan lease agreement that will start in Q1 this year. We have also signed a 20 year lease with McDonalds in Eksjö, that project will start in Q2. And then we have a fast food project in Värnamo that will start in Q3. One project have been taken away from this list, it's T-Stad in Denmark, which we plan not to go forward with.
Looking on the shareholder list as of the end of the year there are basically unchanged, some small increases for the owners on the top ten. Very, very small changes in the owner list. Financial update, Fredrik has talked about the 18% increase in revenue coming from project completions, acquisitions and CPI. Looking on the NOI we have to be aware of the strong comparison period due to a 13 million other income in Q4 2023. So if we allow ourselves to adjust for that one we compare the 90 NOI to 80 in the comparison quarter. If we look on the middle picture there, the surplus rates are going from 93 down to 87, looks a bit drastic. If we allow ourselves to adjust for the 13 million other income in the comparison period that 93 turns to 92. And we also have the segmented one in the current period where the facility has been almost fully vacated. The cost base is still being negotiated down so that hits the surplus ratio quite hard in the quarter. With 3 million revenue and 4 million cost. So if we exclude segmented the surplus ratio is 91 in the quarter so basically unchanged if we make it a bit more apple to apple. And as we said the profit from property management is 47 and then there are no items affecting comparability in the current quarter but in the previous quarter it was. So the 47 is a clean number so to say. Capital structure, we have made a separate press release this morning about renegotiation that took place. We signed this morning with Swedbank Mordea where we have renegotiated the full initial loan where we formed Prisma. We took up a loan with Swedbank Prisma which has formed basically the base of our financing since. And the first tranche of that loan was coming due now in June 2025. But we have now renegotiated the full all three tranches on all durations in that loan. So 2.3 billion renegotiation taking the average interest from 511 down to 468 increasing debt maturity from 1.9 up to 3.4 years. We haven't done any adjustments to the caps or swaps or anything like that so those remain the same. We also have the issue as we explained last quarter where we have the rate setting a few days into the coming quarter. So if we adjust also for that like we did last quarter the true interest if we look on the 511 should more be 483. And if we also add the effect of the refinancing now in February we're down at 440. We also include the correct rates so we say as of December 31st. You see the table there the credit maturities within one year 839. That number becomes 86 now instead of 839 when we have done the refinancing. So we were very happy with the discussions with Sveadbank Nordea and this creates good opportunity for growth and earnings going forward. The earnings capacity we have increased the rental value last quarter 390 now 448. And there of course we have Gothenburg Hör as main contributors but also the finalization of the project in Randers in Denmark. And we closed the vacancy in Solentuna with KFC. We have McDonald's in Kalmar and the Chop Chop in Signtuna. So we have both vacancy closures project finalizations and acquisitions. So that's a good mix to show in the rental value. Net property costs up slightly from the last version because the volume is increasing that number will follow of course. And then project and asset management as well as central admin are assessed at the same level as before. As we have talked about we have built the base to handle Prisma and that should be able to take some further volume. That financial net number is then calculated on the 511 average interest rates and also including assumption of interest income on the cash position of 2.56 percent. If we apply the renegotiated credit terms on this earnings capacity it would go from 2.15 up to 2.30 meaning increase from 1.31 to 1.40 per share. I think that concludes our comments and we go to Q&A.
If you wish to ask a question please dial pound key 5 on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question please dial pound key 6 on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Albin Sandberg from Kepler-Chouvreau. Please go ahead.
Yes, thanks for the presentation. I just had two questions. The first is just how to reconcile the project overview that you show in the presentation which indicates a higher number versus what we actually see in the interim report on that table with the ongoing projects. If you see any risks to that slide in your presentation when it comes to timing of the stars in Q1 for example.
Which table are you talking about Albin?
In the interim report you have a table of the ongoing projects on page 7 where you state that you have 183 million of total capex. But the number is higher in the slideshow which I take as a positive. I just want to understand what that difference is and what the risks would be for committed capex not to grow in your, if I can call it like that, your formal interim report as we head into Q1.
The total investment in the project list in the presentation is 183.
Sorry, Dan, I missed that.
You mean the project starts maybe? Yes,
that's what I'm referring to.
The project start is very much higher than the ongoing number. We have project starts of 761, the coming three quarters. So that is if you take an average per quarter it's basically 250 per quarter and that will take us up to a run rate of 1 billion as we had talked about earlier. As the projects are basically an average one year in duration. So with 250 starts each quarter we will reach 1 billion over the course of 25 with this rate.
Is it that you haven't really put the shovel in the ground on those planned projects? Yes, that's correct. We're working
with building permits, tenderings, signed final lease agreements. So it's planned projects for the coming
quarters. So the 761 we show in the graph there, those are a part of the total pipeline. But these are more sort of sharp in the edges and we have decisions from the board and we are about to start. But the definition of a started project is when we have the supplier contracted, the building supplier.
And just on the risk on that development pipeline, you refer to one Danish project. If you just could clarify why that was cancelled and if there's any alternative use on that site. It's a
smaller project in Denmark and we have some issues with the municipality and the ground. So therefore we have decided not to go forward with that project.
There will be small changes to this project start assessment list. So it's not 100% certainty on all of them, but quite high certainty on most of them.
Great. And then also just any update on Kungens Kurva.
It's an ongoing discussion we have there with the municipality and potential tenants. And hopefully we can plan to communicate something before the summer here.
Yeah. And if we just look on, let's say, your view on that project when we stood at the Q3 versus now at Q4, what happens?
It's a really good property, a fantastic location in one of Sweden's biggest and best performing retail parks. So, but it's an ongoing negotiation with both tenants and but also discussion with the municipality. So we're looking forward to communicate what our plans are for before the summer. That's what we aim.
Great. OK, thank you very much. Those were my questions. Thank you.
Thank you, Robert. The next question comes from David Flemming from Nordia. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Morning. A couple of questions. Good morning. I can start with the earnings capacity. Can you just repeat what you said about the interest costs included in the earnings capacity? My understanding is that the 215 is based on the end of Q4 average interest rate. If we include the refinancing, we're up at 230. But does that include the interest rate change effect as well? Or will that come on top
of it? I have mostly more the modest number here. So the formal raining rates, so to say, formal raining rates. So you can also improve the earning capacity slightly by also taking into account the 440 instead of the 468.
OK, that's great. And also a question on the tax rate. The pay tax was quite low in 2024. My understanding is that you've previously talked about some 10 percent of income from property management in actual tax. Can you say anything for 2025? Where do we see the pay tax rate?
I think we are looking into right now to classify the assets in the buildings, maybe in another way. So we increase the depreciation periods, decrease the depreciation periods. 2024 was also a special year due to the ramp up of the company taking a lot of sort of one term costs. So the tax rate has, of course, been lower now as the cost base has been higher. Going forward, I don't have a new update for you, but we are working with assessing deductibility on the investments. And we are also looking forward to seeing lower interest rates, which should take away effects from from the interest deductibility cap that is in effect at current rates. So I look forward to doing probably better than the indicated 10 percent ish going forward. But I need to come back when we have made the full analysis.
OK, that's great. Next question is regarding completed projects, Valstam, Munchrup B in Q4. When during Q4 were they completed? I.e. when can we expect a full quarterly effect, so to say?
I think you
have one that was completed in November this year, I think one month. Yeah, one month. So and the second project was. Which one?
Munchrup B.
From Q3, you mean?
I think Munchrup B disappeared between the Q3 and the Q4.
Yeah, Runders was completed in, I believe, by the end of November it was completed. So I would say maximum one month.
OK, so we have one third effect in Q4 and you'd have an incremental two thirds. OK, perfect. So it
involved three tenants that open up in different dates. So I would say let's guess it's one month.
Great. Next question. I'm not sure if I missed it or if you commented on it, but the margin on your new bank loans, can you comment on that?
Yeah, we're taking the full average interest cost down by just about 40 basis points and that is from renegotiating 70 percent of the debt base, so to say. And we have been transparent about the previous average margins were between 220 to 230. So you can make the math from that without disclosing any. But we are signing one, the new version of the big loan is one tranche of three years and one tranche of four years, basically 50-50. But we are very happy with the terms.
OK, and in terms of funding potential new acquisitions, have you been in any such discussions with any of the banks and what do you see in terms of margin movement there?
We have good interest from many banks. The strategy that we have had increasing the number of suppliers in the balance sheet has proven successful. And we do have some unfinanced assets and acquisitions coming up that people are interested in being. Active in, so we have very positive discussions with the banks and we have some older, a bit more expensive loans from the historic reasons that we can look into as well. So there's more potential coming and the interest from the banks is still high.
OK, so I interpret that as well below 200 basis points. Yes, correct. And the yield on cost on your projects continues to move upwards. The mix obviously changes. And what do you expect in terms of the projects not yet started? Do you still see pressure on construction costs improving the long cost further or have you maxed out the potential already?
I would say that the construction cost has stabilized. And it's when we do tendrings now, we have more interest from construction companies. So it's a mix. We see a stabilized construction cost. Some have gone down. We see maybe potentially in getting even higher rent from the tenants. So it's a combination. And also based on where its location in Sweden and Denmark. It's going to be the cost for construction is very high in the northern part of Sweden. And it's much easier to get a high yield on cost in southern part of Sweden and Denmark. So it's a mix. But the most important is that it's a good locations, good tenants and it's discount retail in all three categories.
OK, and last question. You have made a couple of acquisitions during Q4. Do you intend to continue to acquire properties with development potential? And what do you see in terms of supply on the market?
Yes, we're going to continue to do acquisitions. So far all the acquisitions we've done is off market and we have several discussions out there. So while we can we can do good acquisition that if it's getting too expensive, we are more putting focus on our pipeline. So while we can do good deals on seven plus five, we're going to do that. So, yes,
great. Sorry. One final question regarding the earnings capacity again. Do you have any any short term leases that's not included in the earnings capacity rental income that could contribute to top line in the near term?
We have Riddemarks Bil in Uppsala. It's a temporary contract with quite a large, large number of square meters. So the average renter is not very high per square meter. That is not included and the segmented one is also not included. So there are some revenue on top of what we say in the earnings capacity that comes on. But there are also costs mainly from segmented one, which you have to take into account because those are not included either.
We expect that the segmented one in Kungenskurva will be fully evacuated before the end of the year.
OK. Great. That was all from me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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