12/10/2024

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

Good morning and welcome to Rusta's second quarter report. Today we will present the results here as usual. It will be myself, Göran Westerberg, CEO of Rusta, and I'm here together with Sofie Malmunger, our CFO. And we will take you through the second quarter results, stretching from August until October. The agenda today will be quite simple. I will go through a business update, what has happened during the quarter, and then we will go more into depth in the financial performance with Sofie, and then I will summarize towards the end, and after that we will open up for Q&A. Right, skipping into the business update. First of all, I think it's a good idea to have a look at where we stand in terms of stores. We opened five new stores during Q2 and this is what we usually do in the season, between the seasons so to say. This is one of our smaller quarters and that's when we try to focus our store opening. So we usually do it during the spring and now during the autumn. After the quarter ended, we also opened up one more store, taking the total new store count up to 219 stores, an increase of six stores. Three stores in Sweden and three stores in Norway. And for those who remember, we had a total pipeline last quarter of 35 stores, so we've now opened up six of those. Moving over to the results. We had a positive growth of 3.1%, where we experienced quite a heavy exchange rate headwind. Excluding the exchange rate headwind, we would have been up to 5.1%. Like for like in local currencies was 0.8%. And we also on the back of this sales growth actually had a volume growth. So we continue to sell more articles, which is really, really important for our business model where we want to be strong in the purchase market. I also want to underline that similar to last quarter we have also price invested to make sure that we have the best possible prices on all of our strategic items. So this is not a price driven increase, it's actually a price decrease out to our customers. I think it's also worth mentioning that we met during quarter two our toughest comparables of last year of 14.4% and with a very strong like for like of plus 11% during last quarter. Our gross profit continued to increase as it has done since we went on the stock market. We have said that we wanted to go back to normalize the gross margin level of 44 to 45 percent and we're now really really close to that. The gross margin increased slightly to 43.9 percent compared to 43.6 percent last year and again This is even though we reduced our prices to our customers. The EBITDA margin dropped a bit, 44.9% compared to last quarter. Again, this is fully explained by currency effects, but you will get the whole waterfall from Sofie in a couple of slides. Looking at the first half, we had an increase of 3.4% and a like-for-like growth in local currencies of 0.9%. We increased our gross profit 5% versus last year, reaching for the first six months a gross margin of 43.8%. We're also strengthening our EBITDA by 10.6%. reaching 8.4% EBITDA margin in the first six months of the fiscal year. So some of the key events or highlights of the quarter. We can say that in many ways what we saw during Q2 was a continuation of the consumer sentiment in Q1. They continue to be financially challenged, let's say, quite careful, much more planned. And the behavior that we saw that they were more inclined towards campaigns and also lower price points continued and actually accelerated during Q2. So we definitely continued to see quite a pressured consumer out there. However, we had a continued growth and especially I would say in Sweden we had a solid growth and in Norway we had an especially strong growth where they met really really tough comparables but still achieved high sales. Likewise, we continue to see the same pattern, the positive flip sides of the weak economy, meaning that many more consumers are searching for low price options and they seem to really like Rusta in terms of the way that they are coming to us. We reached 6 million fully registered members in Club Rusta. It's an increase of 13.2% in Q2. So that positive momentum of people looking for Rusta, being engaged and applying and registering for the loyalty program, that continues. We also saw an increased footfall to our stores. We saw more receipts, but we also saw on the back of the careful consumer a slightly lower average receipt, average value of each receipt. So more wallets through the doors, but all the wallets are a little bit thinner in a simplified way. We're also revising the forecast for our store expansion, another of those I would say positive flip sides that we're trying to utilize now during the weak economy. We see that the availability of new locations and also the terms are much more attractive. We have a record pipeline of new stores and therefore we also have a more positive view on the expansion potential and I'll take you through the details of that on this slide. So, last time we met, we had 35 stores in the pipeline. We have opened since then a total of six stores, taking it down to 29. But then we have had an inflow of nine new stores in the last three months, taking the total pipeline up to 38. So that's a new all-time high for us in terms of the pipelines. We see a really positive net increase of the number of locations. And this is both because of the availability of locations to a greater abundance than it was just a year ago, but also on terms that are commercially viable for us. And since we have a strong balance sheet, we don't hesitate to sign those attractive locations and we will continue to do so. So we see the same momentum from last quarter continuing into this one and also up to date, I would say that it continues. On the back of this, we have taken the opportunity since last time we presented the Q1 results, also to go through all of the white space that's available in the Nordics, because this is the area where we have seen that we probably underestimated the potential for us to open stores. And we work both with the total gross list but we also work with the priority list. And that priority list is locations that if we would get a good agreement on the table today we would sign them. We have decided to increase the number of locations in the Nordics by 30. So taking the total number in the Nordics to 150 prioritized locations plus the 30 ones that we have seen earlier in Germany. So we're now operating with 180 prioritized locations which are all so attractive that if we would get them on the table today we would sign them. So on the back of our strong balance sheet, the inflow into our pipeline, the longer runway that we see ahead of us with more white space to address, we think it's a prudent time to also change our guidance for store openings going forward. Since the IPO, we have operated with the guidance between 40 to 60 stores in total over the coming three years. Now when we're looking into next year and the coming two after that, we see that we're going to be more in the span of 50 to 80 store openings. So I think it's a good opportunity for us to take this step and we continue to see this positive inflow of new locations. Right, with that I hand over to Sofie to take us through the financial performance.

speaker
Sofie Malmunger
CFO of Rusta

Yes. So, in Rusta's second quarter that stretches from August to October, we have a total net sales growth of 3.1%, negatively affected of 2% of currency effects, so the total sales growth excluding currency effects were 5.1%. Our like-for-like growth, excluding currency effects, was 0.8%. During the quarter, we have continued to reduce our sales prices due to more campaigning, so the sales increase is not at all price-driven, it's all volume growth. We have a gross profit that has increased with 3.6% in Q2, very positively affected by improved purchase prices. We have managed to increase our gross margin throughout the year and for the first half of the financial year we have an increase of 0.6 percentage points. We have an EBITDA for the quarter of 135. That is on a historically high level. It's actually our second highest profitability for this quarter ever, only beaten by last year. This slight decrease compared to last year is all explained by negative currency effects. So excluding the currency effects, we have an even stronger EBITDA than last year's record high. Rustas second quarter is seasonally smaller as it falls between the summer and the Christmas season. In the past four years, it has accounted for an average of 13% of the year's total EBITDA. We see a positive total net sales growth in our two largest segments. Sweden, our largest market, continues to grow. We see a shift in the sales mix towards more home decoration, which has had a positive impact in both sales and gross margin. We have a slightly higher OPEX due to more store openings and a higher electricity cost compared to last year. Opening more stores is of course positive and we build for future growth, but in the short term it means slightly higher cost in the quarter of opening. The EBITDA margin for Sweden is 15.7 in Q2 and the accumulated EBITDA for the first half year is 18.3, which is an increase of 0.7 percentage points. Our segment for Norway has a sales growth of 13.7% despite meeting high sales increase of 13.8% last year. The EBITDA margin for Norway is 8.8% in Q2 and 11.3% for the first half year. We have a slight decrease in profitability due to more store openings and negative currency effects due to a weaker NOC. Our third segment, other markets, meets really high sales comparables of 18% last year, which is actually 28% including currency effects. Due to the tough comparables and challenging markets, other market has a negative sales growth of 0.5%. The EBITDA margin for other markets is minus 0.1% in Q2, but the accumulated EBITDA for the first half year is 3.1%, which is an increase of 0.8 percentage points. We see some clear profit drivers during the quarter. We have higher sales where volume is the single largest driver to the overall growth. As I mentioned earlier, we have continued to reduce our sales prices during the quarter due to more campaigning. So the sales increase is not at all price or inflation driven. It's all volume growth. We see a continued shift in our customers purchases towards lower price points, but we have more customers and more receipts. We also have a positive product mix development in the quarter. We see the largest positive impact coming from our gross margin, which we continue to strengthen due to positive effects of improved purchase prices. We have an increased share of private label and we also have continued positive development of our inventory with lower obsolescent reserves. OPEX as a share of our sales has decreased with 0.1 percentage points. Last year we had extra IPO related costs which explains some of the development, but this year we have extra costs for more store openings in the quarter compared to last year. So we have a good cost control and the decrease in OPEX is an example of the scalability in our business model. The negative effects in other in the EBITDA bridge is all due to negative currency effects compared to last year, which is found in the operating income and expenses in the P&L. The currency effects you find here is negative with 28 million SEK. So for all parts that are in our hands, we are improving last year's record high profitability. And as you can see, we would have had an even higher profitability compared to last year, excluding the negative currency effects. And then some comments on our balance sheet and cash flow. We have a sound and healthy inventory. The value per item is lower compared to last year, thanks to reduced purchase prices, and this will continue to have positive effects in our gross margin in the coming quarters. The inventory share of last 12 months is in line with last year, and the increased inventory value is a planned inventory buildup to continue to drive sales. We have a net debt excluding IFRS 16 of 18 million SEK, which is a positive decrease from 41 million SEK last year. Cash flow from operating activities in the quarter is in line with last year, accumulated it's lower than last year due to the higher inventory. Cash flow from investment activities for the quarter amounted to minus 180 million SEK compared to minus 49 million SEK last year. The increase is explained by the automation project in our warehouse and of new stores. And as for the automation in Rusta's central warehouse, it's all going well according to plan and budget and is expected to be ready in spring 2026. So all in all, we continue to have a solid balance sheet and a very stable financial position, which will support our store expansion that Göran has just described. We have no need of bank loans and we will fully finance our growth ourselves, completely in line with our set financial targets. And with that, I hand over to Göran.

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

Thank you. Right, a few words on what we see after the quarter. And I'm sure all of you are interested in Christmas sales that's going on. And I can say that we have had a good start of the Christmas sales. November being one of the most important sales months during the year has performed well. And according to plan, this year we had both First of Advent, that is actually our most important day during the year, plus Black Friday that has also had a growing importance for us. So we like what we have seen during November, but I also want to say then that December is equally important. The two biggest and most important months during the whole year is November and December. But so far we haven't seen anything else than the momentum that we have had during November. One of the interesting things that I would like to point out is Sweden. And when we look at the macro development across our markets, it's debatable where all the different countries are, except in one sense, and that is Sweden seems to be clearly in the lead in terms of the return to a stronger economy. And one of the things that we noted for the first time in quite some time, since before the inflation hit us, is that we had the combination of both higher visitation in Sweden combined with an average ticket that increased that is not price driven. So more people flowed to our stores in Sweden and they also shopped more. They basically put more items in their basket to a higher value. in spite of us having reduced the prices. And we like that, obviously. So we hope that that might be a start of something new, maybe an early sign of recovery. So that's something to be noted. The other thing, of course, we have to utilize whatever advantages are there with a weak economy, and here I would like to point out two things. One is the attractive rental market. The very reason that we have improved our guidance going forward, we continue to see that even after the close of the quarter. Both the inflow of new locations and also the interest and the commercial terms continue to be the same as we have seen during Q1 and Q2. The other thing that we want to utilize as a positive flip side of the weak economy is of course to attract new customers, to continue to make sure that we have as many customers coming to our stores and starting their journey together with Rusta. So the new member inflow continues, and the interesting thing is that we see that same thing in Sweden as well, that the member inflow and also the ticket visitation also continues over there. So we will make use of that. And as Sophie has underlined here, we have a strong balance sheet. So we will continue to invest in our own growth and taking in new customers, opening new stores, we believe is really, really important at the same time as we're investing in price leadership, delivering on our most important customer promise. All of these things are things that we're doing to make sure that we support our future growth. All right. So with that, I think it is time to open up for Q&A.

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Operator
Conference Operator

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Operator
Conference Operator

The next question comes from Simon Ayase from DNB Markets.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Please go ahead.

speaker
Simon Ayase
Analyst, DNB Markets

Good morning. So I have a few questions, Your Honourable Sophie. So you stated that Christmas sales have started according to plan and that you noted good sales in November. Should we read this as that you are above or in line with your revenue guidance of 8% per year so far in Q3?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

So we have a positive. Of course, we had ambitions that we're not communicating any numbers, Simon, here. But if your question is if we maintain our guidance around our financial target, the answer is yes. And we believe that we will be at or very close to our financial targets. We have guided that to get close to that in the medium term. Medium term means two to five years. We're right now in the second year, and we will take steps towards those financial targets.

speaker
Simon Ayase
Analyst, DNB Markets

Yeah, okay.

speaker
Sofie Malmunger
CFO of Rusta

I can just add that as for the like-for-like growth, we believe, I mean, we met two really tough quarters. We believe that the second half of this financial year will be somewhat easier is probably not the right word, but a bit not so tough. So we believe we will meet around 3% in like-for-like growth for this financial year. And as for the gross margin, as we guided on before, we believe we will be at the lower part of the range of 44 to 45%, and that it will be stabilized somewhere around there in the lower part of that range. And also for the mid-term financial targets of total sales growth and the EBITDA growth, we believe we will meet our mid-term targets, which is then next financial year of the 8%.

speaker
Simon Ayase
Analyst, DNB Markets

Okay, that's clear. You answered my second question there. So I'll just jump to my third. So on this new store growth target, obviously you state that there is new store potential in the Nordic region. And you also gave us sort of a ballpark estimate of how much you can increase your footprint in each of these three Nordic markets. But can you just also give us an update on the German market? How are you thinking about that? You're not updating the outlook there.

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

right so we're doing exactly the same thing as we speak in Germany that's not yet ready that's something that we're going to return to in the near future and what we can say is that the Same way that we have said that Sweden is kind of in the lead, and I think the Nordic countries are also following Sweden. We're starting to see the same development in Germany, a softening of the rental market, more locations opening up, and as I'm sure you're all aware, The German economy is really, really tough right now, and I'm not sure if they have touched bottom. I think it's actually continuing downwards. So on the back of that, we're also seeing movement in the rental market, and that is one of the reasons why we are reviewing both the total potential, also the prioritized locations, and exactly what we're looking for. also based on the learnings that we right now have. So I think that there's quite a lot of things ongoing there now, but at this point we're ready with the Nordics and the work is continuing with Germany.

speaker
Simon Ayase
Analyst, DNB Markets

Okay. And just on that, my final question is sort of, can you just give us some color on the development in Finland and Germany? How was sort of the, which was the best and which was the worst performer there in terms of like for instance profitability?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

Well, I think overall level, I have to say that Germany has been the most challenging market without putting any numbers to it. And I think it's also in line with what you see in macro development if you look at the different countries. Germany is by far right now the toughest market. So on a total level, of course, that doesn't have so much of an impact for us as a company. However, there are also opportunities for us there. And I would say the prime thing there now is exactly what we're seeing in the real estate market. And that's something that we intend to utilize.

speaker
Sofie Malmunger
CFO of Rusta

The performance correlates very well on the different markets, depending on the consumer sentiment, I would say, on each market.

speaker
Simon Ayase
Analyst, DNB Markets

And then online, are any changes there, or is that still tough?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

I know it's a small part, but... Yeah, exactly. No, I wouldn't say that it's a significant deviation, no.

speaker
Simon Ayase
Analyst, DNB Markets

Okay, that was all my questions. Thank you so much.

speaker
Sofie Malmunger
CFO of Rusta

Thank you.

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

The next question comes from Nicholas Ekman from Carnegie.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Please go ahead. Thank you.

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Nicholas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Yes. Can I just ask about when you talk about the consumer here, on the one hand here, you're talking about increased campaigning in the quarter, even smaller wallets, more campaigns. On the other hand, you're talking about Signs of pickup in Sweden and higher ticket items. I'm just trying to understand how to read these two. Is one a reflection on Q2 and the other is more forward-looking? Or is one purely Sweden and the other reflects the other markets? Or how should we view these two slightly conflicting comments?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

Yeah, so... The comments regarding the campaign items, the careful consumer, and the downwards ticket items movement, that pertains to Q2. And the comment regarding Sweden pertains to events after the quarter, meaning in the November sales. That's where we're seeing that. And that is not something that we saw during Q2.

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Nicholas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay, that's very clear. Thank you. And I noticed when I look at this accelerated store openings here, Finland looks like it has seen a significant increase with nine new stores that you plan. How confident are you about the Finnish market given the rather weak development you've seen in the other segment in recent quarters and also your comments about weak macro?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

Well, I think, you know, you have to take the bad with the good. I think, of course, we would have wished for a stronger macro, stronger economy and so on. That's not what we're seeing or what we haven't seen, especially in those markets and in Finland. But then you have to utilize the opportunities that lies in a weak economy, and that is to open up stores, because we believe it's only a question of time before each market starts to pick up. Sweden seems to be ahead of the curve. but we believe the rest of the nordic countries will follow when very hard to predict many of us hope that that would happen during 24 now i think most of us believe that that will open start to happen during 2025 but until then i think the game for us is to attract new customers and open up stores in locations on good commercial terms where we know we have a fast payback time and as you know we have very strong track record and also a lot of data and history in the nordic markets and we're in a very good position to judge whether or not a location is good and if it will deliver wished commercial results. And that's what we're seeing. So that's what we picked up here.

speaker
Nicholas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Very clear. And speaking of locations, you have earlier indicated an interest in metropolitan areas and you had a test pilot here for a short time in central Stockholm. Have you seen any progress in that area? Are there any locations that are opening up or is this still a very difficult market?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

I would say it's easier, but it has still not materialized in a location. And I think it's good that you ask that the list of prioritized locations does not include, for example, locations in central Stockholm. That would in that case be over and above what we're calculating with. But we're still very much interested in testing a number of more central locations, especially in the capital regions. And I would say also that the interest and the discussions are much more positive today as compared to one or two years ago. But I would say we still haven't been able to bridge the commercial gap fully yet. But I would say the trend is moving closer and closer to it. But it's very hard to predict, and that's also the reason why we're not bringing in central locations or big city locations in our priority list.

speaker
Nicholas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Very clear. And just a final question, input costs. And I noticed, for instance, we've seen a strong increase in freight that has recently reversed. But since there's a lag, is that something that could have a significant or measurable impact on the coming quarters or any other big movements here that we should be aware of that could impact the coming quarterly results?

speaker
Sofie Malmunger
CFO of Rusta

My short answer is no. When it comes to freight, I'm not sure if you're asking about the sea freight, but a short comment on sea freight is that we have landed a new agreement from October where we have very positive prices compared to the spot market. The prices is however higher compared to last year, but this is something that we have already calculated into the guidance that we have given today. So positive agreement, one year agreement for the sea freight. And as for the freight cost from the DC to our store, yes, it's lower. But there is more of a scalability, positive side from the scalability and also some of the sort of fuel cost and extra cost that has gone down. So I don't see periodization negative effect going forward from that.

speaker
Nicholas Ekman
Analyst, Carnegie

Very clear. Thank you so much for taking my questions.

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

Thank you, Niklas.

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Operator
Conference Operator

The next question comes from Artu Heikura from Indias.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Please go ahead. Good morning.

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Artu Heikura
Analyst, Indias

It's Artu Heikura from Indias. I have a couple of questions. Firstly, regarding the improved outlook of new stores, you said that potential relies mainly on the profitability potential, but do you see that the sales performance is on par with existing average stores?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

The new stores, I'm assuming that you're asking. Yes, absolutely. We have a very detailed financial model for how we're evaluating new store locations. We're looking into cannibalism, we're looking at rent levels, we're looking at the community, the number of customers and so on. Here we know, especially in the Nordics, we have a fast payback time and we're always aiming for a minimum profitability level that is not diluting the profitability of the company. If you look across the market, you would see that Rusta as a low-price retailer is probably the most conservative player in in terms of number of locations, in terms of number of stores. So even though we are significantly increasing our outlook here, I still believe that we are probably one of the players that are quite conservative in how we're looking at profitability. So my clear answer is absolutely yes, we're looking for profitability at the same or better level than what we have in the company today.

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Artu Heikura
Analyst, Indias

Okay. Then about market dynamics, given that the top money has taken over dollar store and the euro bridge has taken over. So do you have seen any changes in the market dynamics?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

No, not that I would bring up here. I think the main market dynamic that we're having right now is the economy, the overall economy, the consumer outlook, the consumer sentiment. I think that is what affects us the most. I mean, Dollar Store and ÖOB was there yesterday and they will be there tomorrow. I think we have all been in the same marketplace for a very, very long time. So I don't see a significant shift due to change of ownership. We, as always, continue to monitor all of our different direct competitors and adjacent competitors and so on. But I would say the big thing happening right now is really the consumer sentiment. That's the main thing affecting us. And mind you, and I think also all my colleagues in the industry will agree with me on this and that is that the market for low price continues to grow and I think that's a clear trend and so I believe that that underlying factor together with hopefully a more positive consumer sentiment going forward is the most important variable as I say factors going forward.

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Artu Heikura
Analyst, Indias

Alright, then my last question is about customer sentiment in Norway and Finland. Do you see that there is notable differences between these two countries?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

I've been many years in retail and I've been many years in this company and I think this year has been particularly difficult to interpret what is happening. I think one month you believe you see something, the next month you believe you see something different. The more certain conclusions that you can make is that of Sweden, Norway, Finland and Germany, Sweden is clearly ahead. Both from a macro point of view with interest rate decreases and also certain financial decisions that have been made by the government and so on, I think it's improving the situation. I believe it is starting to have an effect on consumer sentiment. A little bit more unclear of what is happening in Finland and Norway. There's a mixed picture. As you know, there was an increase of VAT in Finland. That doesn't seem to have had a big impact on our operations over there yet, but maybe it's still a bit too early to call. I would say both Finland and Norway behind Sweden, but very difficult to say exactly where they are. My guess would be Norway a little bit ahead of Finland.

speaker
Artu Heikura
Analyst, Indias

OK, thank you and good luck for the Christmas.

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

Thank you very much.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

The next question comes from Frederick from Handels Watch.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Please go ahead. Hi, good morning.

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Frederick
Analyst, Handels Watch

I thought you said something before that you were underestimating the Nordics. Can you say something more about that? What do you mean that you underestimated the Nordics, having in mind that you see now more potential for new stores?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

What we have underestimated is the wide space, basically the potential for store openings in the Nordics. We believe that we had come closer perhaps, particularly in Sweden, where we've been since 1986. It's our home market, it's our biggest market, it's the market where we have been the longest. And we thought that we had come closer to the maximum possible stores. But what we're seeing now with the inflow of new customers, very much supported by the weak economy where people have been looking for low price, the inflow into our loyalty program, We see that we can carry stores on smaller community sizes and also to have a more dense network in Sweden and in the Nordics in general. Combined with that, we're also seeing a bounce back after the inflation where rents were skyrocketing and so on. We're seeing that it's now rapidly falling back and that we also can get those locations on terms that are commercially interesting for us.

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Frederick
Analyst, Handels Watch

Perfect, thank you. I continue with some questions about revised forecasts for opening new stores. Can you say something more about Norway, where these will be located, or is that something that is... clear for now, or what can you say about it?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

No, I think we're not disclosing the exact locations, but of course we have a very detailed list of both the cities, the communities and so on, and also our wished locations within those cities and communities. But it's not something that we're communicating outwards like this, but I think It's a combination of a more dense network in larger cities and also an increase of potential in smaller communities across Norway. We also know from experience that in Norway, easier to open up with with the much smaller uh as i say populations so so i think our smallest city that we're in our or village if you if you if you like is down to about 5 000 people uh which we don't would be that wouldn't be possible in sweden not yet at least but with increased penetration uh the more people that are shopping at rusta coming to rusta and shopping more things there I would say a smaller and smaller population base is possible for us to open stores in. So it's both a denser network in bigger cities, but then also more communities.

speaker
Frederick
Analyst, Handels Watch

Someone else asked something interesting about central locations, for example, in Stockholm. Having in mind Norway and Oslo, do you see that you have potential for a store in central Oslo as well?

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

I think it's exactly the same dynamic here as well. I think not only the capitals in the... in all of our countries and all of our markets, but also some of the other bigger cities are of course very interesting for us. But it's the same challenge here. It's both about finding a store size that is big enough to carry our concept, which is not always super easy. And the second hurdle is rent levels, because they tend to be too high, of course, in AAA locations in city centers. So we're trying different ways how to get around that. There are multiple discussions going on both here in Stockholm, but also in other cities. And sooner or later, I believe that some of those will materialize. But so far, we don't have anything to report. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Operator
Conference Operator

There are no more questions at this time, so I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.

speaker
Göran Westerberg
CEO of Rusta

So thank you very much for listening on the second quarter results. And now what remains for us is to get back to work and work really, really hard in pushing the Christmas sales. These are really important sales months for us. And until next time we meet, I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. So thank you very much for listening and goodbye.

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