2/4/2025

speaker
Unknown (Marketing Narrator)
Marketing/Promotional Voice

We have the formula to the greatest performance enhancer in the world. We'll make you stronger, faster, smarter, and happier because we have the keys to healthy sleep. With a third of the population being sleep deprived, but a market potential of more than 130 billion US dollars in the US alone, we don't think sleep is a problem. We think sleep is an opportunity. To reach your goals, to be a stronger, faster, smarter, and happier you, because we are the future of sleep health. And you are welcome to join us.

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

Good morning everyone and welcome. Today we're sharing the interim report for quarter four. My name is Erik Grimark. I'm the CEO of SleepCycle and with me I have Elisabeth Hedman, our CFO and head of investor relations. We are SleepCycle, the world's leading sleep technology company. And part of what is so great with our product is that all it takes is a smartphone to use it. No additional hardware purchases. We are available on all common smartphones and variables in 150 countries and 13 different languages. Every night we have more than one million active users helping our users to fall asleep faster thanks to our sleep aids. Waking up gently with the help of our patented smart alarm and also we help our users to analyze and provide insights to their sleep habits. We are a subscription based business with a strong growth potential. Let me break down why we are a compelling investment. Our core business is highly profitable with predictable recurring revenues and an annual dividend of 40 to 60 percent of net profit. We are the most used sleep app backed by science and also patents with 80 percent organic customer growth and partnerships with leading sleep research institutions such as the University of Cambridge. Also, the sleep tech market is worth roughly 17 billion CIEC and growing. With increasing awareness of sleep's impact on well-being, our addressable audience includes anyone with a smartphone. Going forward, we are expanding through revenue management, geographic adaptation, strategic partnerships and also exploring new revenue streams. Our strategy that we presented last year remains focused on three key areas driving our growth. We continue expanding our reach by improving upper funnel traffic and increasing sleep cycles visibility across more channels. In Q4, we've conducted price increase tests, which we will accelerate in Q1. We see positive signs on sale, but it has a negative impact on user growth. I believe we will see an impact when we continue to adjust the prices in the coming quarters. In Q4, we also ran successful campaigns converting free users to subscribers. Although we are at an industry average when it comes to churn, our focus is on conversion, customer engagement and retention. This includes win back campaigns for churned users, continuous product innovation and also strengthening our core technology and data reliability. In Q4, we released successful win back offers as well as new technology for full sleep staging, which was the world's first. We will look into moving this feature to premium only to try to further differentiate the offerings between free and subscribers. And finally, we will be intensifying our work to find new revenue streams by leveraging our technology and platform. A key milestone is our breakthrough, world's first non-contact full sleep staging. The technology behind this innovation allow us to take the next step, exploring medical grade certification for sleep apnea screening. This is exactly what we mean when we talk about the untapped potential in our technology and platform. We will get back with more details and timelines. The first two focus areas is us doubling down on our core product. Sleep is ours to own. The third, it's an area that could fundamentally transform our business over time. If we take a closer look at our data and technology, SleepCycle is already delivering value to millions of users by leveraging the insights we gather. Right now, we're exploring how other companies could use our technology to build their own sleep experience tailored to their users needs, powered by SleepCycle. This could apply to apps that serves a different primary purpose, but where sleep is a key factor in helping their users achieving their goals. In these cases, they wouldn't license our app or our user experience, only the core technology that powers it. The same applies to data. We're actively exploring a web version of Kofradar to drive product awareness, and we're also exploring the potential for others to purchase anonymized data. It's still early days, and I will keep you updated when we progress in the coming quarters. In Q4, sleep tracking took a giant leap forward. For the first time ever, we're using breathing and movement to deliver full sleep staging, completely contactless, no wearables needed, just the sound of your breath and movements. Every night as you drift into sleep, something quite extraordinary happens. Your body rests, but your brain doesn't. It processes the events of the day, it consolidates the memories, and it's also in a way orchestrating the rhythm of your sleep cycles. Now with breakthrough precision, our AI-driven algorithms can detect and reveal these patterns, giving our users a deeper understanding of their nights than ever before. This is again a technical innovation, building confidence for us to explore the medical grade certification for sleep apnea screening. So smarter sleep insights with the same effortless tracking, that is pretty much the future of sleep cycle. Partnerships play a key role in our strategy. We talked about it before. It helps us expand into adjacent segments, and it's also strengthened our local market presence. By collaborating with the right partners, we are not only extending our reach, but we also reinforce our position as a leading authority in sleep. Our partnerships take different forms. Some are very commercially driven, while others deepen our expertise in sleep science. But they all serve one overarching goal, customer acquisition with highly cost-effective customer acquisition costs. Last quarter, we announced our latest partnership with MyFitnessPal. While we didn't go live as planned, due to this being a new type of partnership, which was out of our control, the opportunity remains ahead, and we just went live with parts of the offer. It's too early to say anything about the potential impact. Looking at the financial targets, we are strengthened by the successful 2024, and hence we are updating our EBIT target going forward to 25% or higher on an annual basis. We're still committed to doubling the revenue in the midterm and the dividend policies unchanged. We're combining profitable growth with an attractive yearly dividend. And with that, I'm handing over to you, Elisabeth.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

Thank you, Erik. Now let's take a look at some of our financial KPIs for the fourth quarter. And after that, I will walk you through the P&L for both Q4 and the full year of 2024. So year over year, the number of paying subscribers grew by 2.8%, adding 25,000 net subscribers, bringing the total to 918,000. This growth is the result of our focused efforts on customer acquisition, converting free users into paying subscribers, and the positive impact of our existing partnerships. At the same time, ARPU increased by .6% to 279 SEK. The growth in ARPU was slightly slower in Q4, mainly due to our successful strategy of converting the free users into paying subscribers, many of whom start at a discounted rate. While this initially affects the ARPU metric, it's a positive long term development as it expands our paying customer base and strengthens our revenue. And looking at the net revenue, we saw a 9% year over year increase, reaching 66.8 million SEK. And the EBIT for the quarter came in at 21.5 million SEK, with an EBIT margin of 32.3%. We're very pleased with the strong margin, which reflects our ability to grow revenue while maintaining disciplined investments. 2024 has been a year of solid growth in both paying subscribers and net revenue, as illustrated in the charts on this slide. Our base of paying subscribers, shown to the left, has now grown for six consecutive quarters. In Q4 alone, we added 3,000 net paying subscribers. And on the revenue side, seen to the right, net revenue has increased consistently throughout the year. Given SleepCycle's subscription-based business model, where revenue is recognized over time, our reported revenue reflects the sales from the past 12 months. For Q4, the revenue growth was 9%, while the full year growth was 10.7%. And looking ahead, as Erik mentioned, we plan to conduct additional price testing to better understand the customer's willingness to pay. And this might lead to a short-term slowdown in the subscriber growth, but it's a crucial step for strengthening the long-term net revenue growth for SleepCycle. Alright, let's take a look at some highlights from the P&L for Q4. The fourth quarter was marked by continued growth and a strong EBIT margin. And the growth was driven by expanding subscriber base and a higher ARPU, with our partnerships continuing to contribute positively to the revenue. The growth was 9% or 8% when adjusted for currency effects. During this quarter, we also made strategic investments in new initiatives. And one key area is our exploration of medical grade certification for sleep apnea screening, a process that we have now initiated. And these investments will continue in 2025, and we look forward to sharing more insights as we progress along the road. And looking at the other external costs, they were 1.7 million SEK higher in Q4 compared to last year. And it's important to note that in 2023, the marketing was handled in-house, whereas in 2024, it has largely been executed by external consultants, which is reflected in our other external costs. And during this quarter, we continue to refine our marketing strategies, though we're still evaluating how to achieve the necessary return on investments before scaling the spend further. And regarding the staff costs, we had an average of 34 employees in Q4, that's three fewer than previous year. For depreciation and amortization, keep in mind that last year's figures included a 6.3 million SEK write-down related to sleep cycle kits. So the EBIT margin for the quarter was .3% supported by revenue growth and disciplined investments. And at the end of the period, our liquidity was 145 million SEK, and the cash flow from the operations were 17.3 million SEK for the quarter. Let's summarize the year of 2024. It was an important year for sleep cycle, as we made several fundamental changes to position the company for profitable growth. We brought the team together under one roof in Gothenburg, we launched an updated strategy and established a nearly new management team. And these steps have helped lay the foundation for further growth and the exploration of the new revenue streams. And from a financial perspective, 2024 was a strong year. The net revenue grew by 10.7%, with FX adjusted revenue growth at 9.8%. Given that we are a global company with a significant portion of our sales in US dollars, currency fluctuations impact our results. By comparison, the FX adjusted growth for 2023 was 3.1%, highlighting an improved underlying growth rate this year. And the revenue growth was driven by an expanding base of paying subscribers and higher ARPU and successful partnerships. When it comes to profitability, we maintained strong margins, delivering an EBIT margin of .4% for the full year, or .6% when adjusted for non-recurring items. And while we will continue to invest in strategic initiatives, we remain committed to EBIT margin discipline. In line with this, the board has updated the EBIT margin target for sleep cycle to at least 25% annually. Sleep cycle's solid financial performance allows the board to propose an attractive dividend for our shareholders. At the end of the year, the liquidity was 145 million SEK, with free equity at 74 million SEK. The board is proposing a total dividend of 60 million SEK, or 3 SEK per share, consisting of two elements. First, an ordinary dividend of 185 SEK per share, which is at the higher end of our policy range of distributing 40 to 60% of the net revenue, net profit, sorry, back to our shareholders. And then there is also an extraordinary dividend of 1.15 SEK per share. And with that, I'll hand it over to Erik, who will walk you through some key takeaways from today's earnings call.

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

Thanks, Elizabeth. All right. So, looking back at 2024, I'm of course pleased with the progress we made. We've had consecutive quarters of growth, being able to improve both revenue and number of paying subscribers, while also having a very healthy and increasing EBIT margin. And at the same time, we deliver groundbreaking technology innovations, such as the one we shared at today's call with contactless full sleep staging. Going into 2025, we will of course continue to look for partners in adjacent segments. We will also do the price adjustments. I of course anticipate that this will impact our subscriber growth for the core product. But we do this in order to grow sales and revenue over time, and also to be able to create room for tactical offers during onboarding of new users and as well as when we're trying to convert free users to pay. We will also put additional focus in our strategic areas, leveraging our platform to see if we can achieve medical grading for non-contactless sleep apnea screening. We will also put extra emphasis on data monetization and explore if we can sell our technology, allowing others to be powered by sleep cycle when they build out their products. Thank you so much for your support. And with that, I'm happy to take any questions that you might have. So we will look in the chat.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

All right. Should I read the question to you? Sure. You can answer. Eric, if you for a moment looked into the crystal ball, where do you see sleep cycle in five years in terms of product offerings? What natural feature expansions or new functionality do you envision as part of the platform's evolution?

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

So I think it's a very good question. I mean, we have the core product and the core product is doing great. We are constantly investing in product development for the core product. Those are the first and the second pillar in the strategy that we are doubling down to that we continue to invest in. Then we have the third pillar in the strategy, which we refer to as technology and platform and data. And here, as I shared on today's call, I know that a lot of the partners discussions that we have today around the possibility to offer sleep cycle to their users. Part of those discussions are also, in my opinion, opening up for us to maybe rethink it a little bit and say, yes, some partners we will offer the sleep cycle core experience to, similar to my fitness pal, etc. But some other discussions that we're having, I want to explore and see if we can leverage the power by sleep cycle so they could build out their unique experiences where sleep is maybe not the main component in what they offer, but it's a very critical component. So five years from now, I think we will still have a solid core product. We will be the leaders in sleep. However, I would love for us to see that we have managed to find a partner or a customer for licensing the technology or the data that we generate.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

All right. Then there are some questions from Jessica Grunewald from Redeye. And she asks, in your CEO letter, you highlight that the need to adjust pricing and strategies across markets, which could temporarily impact subscriber growth, but it's essential for long term revenue expansion. Can you elaborate on which markets are affected and the anticipated impact on the growth?

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

So what we have done during this quarter is that we have a number of markets in different parts of the world where we have actually increased the price. Some markets quite hefty. And what we're trying to do is to create a baseline of what is the right price in what market. But we're also trying to create wiggle room for us to be able to offer discounts during the onboarding of new users or discounts to free user base without hurting our growth too much. So what we're doing now is basically in a very responsible way, gradually increasing prices as well as we're building out product features that tactically can offer the right price at the right time. We will not do anything that harm our growth in an irresponsible way, but I do want to be clear with that. The market in itself, the app market, all customers are very used to receiving tactical offers during either their sign up or when they are a free user to become a premium. If we don't increase the prices, it would be very hard for us over time to have a significant growth if we don't increase the prices because otherwise we will not be able to offer discounts in sustainable way. So we don't have a set of markets that we will say this is the order we will take. I don't think we should be too dramatic about it either, but it will impact the growth in terms of subscribers going forward.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

Alright, and then there's a question regarding the medical certification of sleep apnea screening, which we are exploring. How can that impact our commercial strategy and revenue and what changes or regulatory hurdles are we forced to, are we foresee to proceed? I

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

mean, as I said, we will share some more details as we progress. I mean, this is a mid to long term effort and we're not nearing launch yet. We are progressing through the, what should you say, the necessary regulatory processes and there's also a very thorough methodology in the steps you need to take. And that can take time. So all I wanted to share today is that given the strength in the technology that we developed during the Q4, we feel the level of confidence to initiate the process of becoming a medical graded. And we will of course come back with many details as we progress during the next couple of quarters.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

And then Jessica has a question regarding competition. Can you elaborate on where we're seeing competition coming from?

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

I mean, we have our competitors in app stores and in Play Store, of course. There are a handful of them. And we can see that, I mean, there is a huge interest for sleep in the society. We see that in the partnership discussions and I think probably many of you following this company can also see how sleep has gone from something that no one really talked about that is now being positioned in different ways in all kinds of conversations. With that said, we see the last couple of months a decline in app store in number of downloads. Also, and maybe I should say even say especially among competitors. Despite this, we have managed to grow, as you can see in this quarter. But the society as such is very interested in sleep and we see that in the partnership discussions. But and I know some of you have access to the market data, so it shouldn't come to as a surprise to many of you. You can see the last couple of months that there has been an overall decline in downloads in app store that we are mitigating successfully so far.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

Then there's a question regarding if we can clarify the quarter on quarter decline in ARPU. Is it related to revenue management strategies? And there's also a question regarding what correlations we have correlations we have observed or expects between churn and price increases.

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

So it's a twofolded answer. I think one is that ARPU of course when we do rebates, there is a we take a hit on ARPU. But we need to remember that the vast majority, I mean over 80, 90 percent of all the new people coming in as paying subscribers are not coming in on campaigns. Just so we don't get the feeling here that you know we're doing a lot of crazy rebates to the majority of the people. That's not true. The absolute majority of everyone starting a sleep cycle premium subscription do that subscription do that at a full price. The reason why ARPU is growing but at a lower rate is because also the renewal from previous years is at the lower level. So historically at sleep cycle there has been rebates happening during this quarter. And the way that those rebates has been structured has been that they have renewed at the price where the person came in. The rebates that we're doing now and have done since I joined is that you get a rebate for the first year and then you renew at the higher price. So that is the reason why you see a lower growth in ARPU for Q4.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

Now we have a question from Kristoffer from Inderes. Are we considering holding sleep cycle are we considering holding sleep cycle back from pursuing a more aggressive premium strategy by expanding the free versions functionality functionalities?

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

Yeah I think it's something we obviously discuss a lot Kristoffer. There are tests ongoing and it has been historic tests. To me right now we see that having an aggressive paywall increases the number of net ad paying subscribers. But I think there is also a methodology that we will start to explore even further where we with the help of tactical offers can convert free users and thereby letting more free users in having what we in the industry refer to as a smashing paywall where a user can skip the paywall and then we can try to convert that. So these are exactly the tactics that we're working with and we have a full team fully dedicated on this. Historically we haven't worked as much on this so that's why we need to build up the infrastructure and the capabilities to do so in an efficient manner.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

Great then there's a question regarding languages and markets. Companies like Spotify have demonstrated how localization offering services in a user's native language enhances engagement. Is that anything we're looking into? We

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

do it in an upper funnel quite aggressively versus we've done before. So in terms of localized performance marketing ads but also localized content for App Store etc. Given the size of the company we also need to be cautious about how many versions we keep track of. But with that said I also believe now with AI which we are also leveraging in these matters could help us to do things that maybe wasn't possible a year ago. So we have already tried that in localizing some of the experiences not least in upper funnel and we have seen some encouraging results and we will continue to do so.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

Great then there's a question regarding that we are more profitable than our financial targets suggest currently. Given this when do you expect the company's profitability to closer align with the updated at least 25% EBIT margin goal? And I can just clarify that the EBIT margin goal is on an annual level and that's what we're aiming for. We want to have some room left for making investments where we see needed to reach our goals and in exploring these new initiatives. And then there's a question regarding from Rasmus regarding how we're tracking against our ambitious goal of doubling the revenue in the midterm. Partnerships have been positioned as a key growth driver. Are there specific milestones or inflection points investors should be watching for? And can we share any figures on user acquisition or engagement delivered from the MyFitnessPal partnerships? Yeah

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

I mean as you point out Rasmus we are talking about midterm so three to four years. We are confident in the strategy that we have put in place where already within the first year since the strategy was created we can deliver high growth in revenue and also a very satisfying EBIT margin. And then we see the things that we're putting in the market now. Some of them I've already shared about what we will do with tactical offers etc. But we shouldn't also forget that today we shared the news about the medical graded sleep apnea screening which we of course believe will help to accelerate the growth as well as the partnership for data monetization and powered by sleep cycles. So we see that the things we're putting in the market is working and we will continue to have a laser sharp focus on delivering the growth that we have communicated in the financial targets.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

Then there's a question from Eric. If we can elaborate a bit on why current conditions are not favorable for buybacks and I can spend a minute on that. As you know it's the AGM or the owners that actually decide on a dividend or buyback policy but it's the board that recommends. And I know that our board has carefully looked into this and found that dividends right now are the best solution for sleep cycle. I know that they looked into the liquidity. It has been better during 2024 but we still would want to see a little more liquidity so that we can find they can find it more favorable. And then there's a question that I'm translating in my head here from you one at the boost from capital for about me. And he says that we have previously expressed hopes in having a higher growth during Q4. Are there any temporary effects that hindered us or was it just harder than we initially hoped for.

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

I mean looking back at Q4 I'm pleased with what we have delivered given the market conditions. We have managed to grow a couple of thousand subscribers. We've done that in a responsible way. So of course you know we always want to have even higher growth but looking at the circumstances I'm very pleased what the team has delivered.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

And then there's a question from Ina at SEB. What is the outlook for 2025. What should we look forward to in terms of growth profitability makes and what are the main milestones you want to achieve.

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

So during 2025 we would love to see that we continue the growth pace for us to reach our quite ambitious goals in terms of growth while maintaining the EBIT margin above the 25 percent that the board of director has. Has decided upon and communicated today. For me some of the milestones and some of the things that I will be looking for is that we continue to close some key partnerships. But also that one of these future bets the third pillar in the strategy that we see some of them materialize in one way or another. Or that we feel that we could say that for some reason they don't work. So I would love to get more tangible during 2025 in what we mean either being successful in some of these things that we have started to progress or that we can be transparent about that. We don't we no longer believe in in one or two of them.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

All right. And then there's a question regarding our despite our up to dividends we still sit on a large cash position. Is M&A on the agenda or will you focus on organic growth primarily. I would say that we don't we're not actively looking for M&A cases but the door is not closed. But so that we are focusing on organic growth primarily.

speaker
Unknown (Moderator)
Conference Call Moderator

Yeah.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

OK. Then there's a question.

speaker
Unknown (Moderator)
Conference Call Moderator

Yeah.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

Regarding downloads and if it's correlated to sleep cycles ratings in App Store.

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

Yes. So it's correct. We we saw we had an incident before before the new year where we lost the ratings in App Store. We haven't lost the reviews we have lost the ratings and we are actively trying to work with Apple to try to get them back. And right now we don't see any major business impact. And as I said before the segment in itself is losing quite quite some downloads and we currently don't.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

All right. Then there's a last question. If we can comment on how subscriber churn has developed in the latest court. To me it has been pretty stable. We're working on just decreasing it a bit. We will never have like five percent churn. That's not not it. We're not don't see that for this business. But it's been stable. No large changes in the churn for the last quarters.

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

Good. So all the questions that's all the

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

questions for today. Thank you for asking a lot of questions. It's fun to speak to you.

speaker
Erik Grimark
CEO

Yes. And thank you so much for continuing to believe in us and wanting to be part of the fantastic journey that we are on. Me and the team are super excited to go into 2025. We have quite some interesting things in the pipeline that we're working hard on to materialize. So we hopefully also can can share it in this forum. Thank you very much. Bye.

speaker
Elisabeth Hedman
CFO & Head of Investor Relations

Thank you so much.

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