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spk07: Good morning and welcome to the BMO Financial Group Q1 2023 Earnings Release and Conference Call for February 28, 2023. Your host for today is Christine Viau. Please go ahead.
spk01: Thank you and good morning. We will begin the call with remarks from Darrell White, BMO CEO, followed by Typhoon Tuzun, our Chief Financial Officer, and Piyush Agrawal, our Chief Risk Officer. Also present to take questions are our group heads, Ernie Johansson from Canadian P&C, Dave Casper from US P&C, Dan Barkley from BMO Capital Markets, and Deland Kamenga from BMO Wealth Management. As noted on slide 2, forward-looking statements may be made during this call, which involve assumptions that have inherent risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially from these statements. I would also remind listeners that the bank uses non-GAAP financial measures to arrive at adjusted results. Management measures performance on a reported and adjusted basis and considers both to be useful in assessing underlying business performance. Daryl and Typhoon will be referring to adjusted results in their remarks unless otherwise noted as reported. I will now turn the call over to Daryl.
spk15: Thank you, Christine, and good morning, everyone. We had a very good start to the year with record revenue, adjusted earnings per share of $3.22, and net income of $2.3 billion for the first quarter. The benefit of our balanced and well-diversified business model was front and center again this quarter with record revenue and PPPT in our P&C businesses and significantly improving momentum in BMO capital markets. The strategic investments we've been making in talent and technology are driving good growth in each of our businesses. Risk remains well managed with strong performance across our portfolios. Each of our operating groups delivered return on equity above 15%, even with the higher regulatory capital levels. Our P&C businesses continued to deliver positive operating leverage, while negative operating leverage at the all-bank level this quarter reflected the particularly strong revenue performance in capital markets in Q1 last year, as well as the impact of investments we've made over the past year to drive growth. We expect expense growth to moderate through this year with continued momentum in revenue. We remain committed to delivering positive full-year operating leverage on a BMO standalone basis, as we have for the last five years. While the macroeconomic environment remains uncertain, we're well situated to win in any environment. With inflation still at high levels, we expect rates to remain elevated, slowing the economy in the near term. Real GDP in both Canada and the U.S. is expected to rise only modestly this year, and we expect central banks to hold off from reducing policy rates until 2024. We've made deliberate strategic choices to change the shape of our business and further strengthen our performance. We've continued to bolster our capital position in light of the new regulatory capital requirements while supporting customer growth, and we expect our CET1 ratio to be above 11.5% in the second quarter now that the Bank of the West acquisition has closed. The completion of our acquisition of the Bank of the West on February 1st is a historic moment for BMO and the natural next step in our North American growth strategy. We're excited to welcome thousands of new employees and 1.8 million customers to the BMO family as we come together with a shared vision to drive progress for our customers and communities. I've personally spent a lot of time in market and the energy level and enthusiasm of the teams and the customers I've met is palpable. Together, we double our U.S. footprint, meaningfully expand our scale, and solidify BMO's position as a leading North American bank. We're now a top ten bank in the United States with a top five position in multiple MSAs. We've expanded our premium commercial banking franchise, which also ranks in the top five in North America. adding complementary verticals and talented bankers in areas like agriculture, food and beverage, and wine, and adding new expertise in technology and healthcare banking. Our enhanced presence is further augmented by a national strategy that extends across the country with digital retail and payments platforms that serve customers across all 50 states, as well as the leading national specialty businesses such as transportation and equipment finance, leasing, RV Marine, and asset-based lending, to name a few. Our one client and north-south integration enables our teams to support clients with our differentiated cross-border expertise, as well as wealth and capital markets capabilities. We're taking this opportunity to fully unify our brand, bringing the strength of BMO to new and existing markets and communities. Over many years, our US segment has been a key contributor to the growth of our business and our success, with a strong foundation and a long track record of combining organic growth with highly successful acquisitions. Through effective integration, strong leadership, and our focus on building client relationships, we've delivered consistent market share gains across our businesses. We've steadily increased the contribution from the US significantly improved ROE and efficiency to be accretive to the overall bank, all underpinned by superior risk management. The closing this month follows a year of collaboration that positioned us to hit the ground running. In fact, we executed our first one client transaction on February 1st, and in just 28 days, we've already delivered on opportunities across our combined teams to deepen client relationships and expand product offerings and the momentum is building. Once fully cost synergized, we expect the U.S. to contribute approximately 45 percent to the bank's earnings on a pro forma basis, up from 27 percent five years ago, which helps fundamentally increase the size and the performance of the bank overall. By the end of 2025, we anticipate that the Bank of the West acquisition will add over $2 billion U.S. in run rate, pre-provision, pre-tax earnings to BMO. Turning back to our Q1 results in our operating groups. In Canadian P&C, revenue and PPPT were both up 9% this quarter, with strong consumer and commercial loan growth and deposit growth driving market share gains. Our performance reflects strategic investments over the last few years in the expansion of our sales teams and technology, that have improved our sales-to-service ratio, delivering top-tier digital sales, and drove customer acquisition. Just yesterday, we announced an exclusive partnership with Immigration.ca, a leading provider of immigration resources and essential tools aimed at helping newcomers establish their financial life in Canada. This partnership complements our existing New Start and Smart Progress programs to help customers make real financial progress and support a smooth transition. In US P&C, PPPT was up 12% over the last year as we continued to gain momentum in customer growth and satisfaction. We've introduced several new automated solutions in commercial banking to improve efficiency and deliver best-in-class client and employee experiences. And in partnership with Blend, we introduced a fully digitized mortgage refinancing process boosting convenience for customers. In BMO Wealth Management, while lower markets reduced revenue compared to last year, our ongoing investments in talent and technology are delivering strong growth in new client assets. We're driving progress for our clients by investing in innovation, such as the launch of BMO InvestorLine's ESG Insights tool that helps investors make informed decisions that align with their strategies and with their values. For the 12th consecutive year, we were number one in net ETF inflows and received the most awards of any ETF provider at this year's annual FundData Awards, reflecting our leadership in delivering strong risk-adjusted performance for our investors. BMO Capital Markets' diversified businesses displayed growing momentum with the second highest quarter of revenue ever and PPPT of $636 million. The investments we've made in areas like expanding our U.S. rates business, adding radicals carbon credit and emissions trading capabilities, and expanding electronic trading through Clearpool are addressing real client needs and contributing to the growth that we need now and for the future. Clearpool is a good example of how we're building on acquisitions, having expanded into Europe within the last year while tripling BMO's electronic trading revenue. In addition to our financial progress, we're continuously advancing our purpose commitments and are consistently recognized as a global leader in sustainable business practices and financing activities. I want to recognize the incredible contribution by BMO's employees this year who, during our employee giving campaign, rallied together to contribute over $31 million to the United Way and thousands of other community organizations across North America. a new BMO record. This culture of community giving is equally embedded in the culture of our new colleagues at Bank of the West, and I look forward to the good that we will be able to grow together. As we all look forward to a successful integration, we're equally focused on continuing to drive performance in all our businesses. We're starting this year from a position of strength. My confidence in our future has never been higher. I'll now turn it over to Saifu.
spk12: Thank you, Daryl. Good morning and thank you for joining us. My comments will start on slide 10. First quarter EPS was 30 cents and net income was $247 million. Adjusting items are shown on slide 37 and include the impact of fair value management activities related to the acquisition of Bank of the West, which this quarter decreased net income by $1.5 billion as well as a $371 million tax provision related to the tax measures enacted by the Canadian government. The remainder of my comments will focus on adjusted results. Adjusted EPS was $3.22, and net income was $2.3 billion, down from $2.6 billion last year. Total revenue increased 3% year-over-year, reflecting strong growth in net interest income partially offset by lower fee income and securities gains. Expenses were up 9 percent year-over-year, reflective of investments made in Salesforce expansion and technology in 2022 and the impact of compensation increases for our employees during last year. PPPT was lower year-over-year and up 6 percent sequentially, or up 14 percent, excluding the impact of seasonal expenses recorded in every first quarter. Performance in our P&C businesses continued to be very strong with year-over-year pre-provision, pre-tax earnings growth of 9 percent in Canada and 12 percent in the U.S., driven by continued loan growth and margin expansion. Capital markets performed well with strong quarter-over-quarter revenue growth, and wealth management results were lower, reflecting the continued muted market environment. Total PCL was $217 million, including a $21 million provision for performing loans compared with a total recovery of $99 million in the prior year. Piyush will speak to these in his remarks. Moving to the balance sheet on slide 11, loan growth was 15% year-over-year and 2% quarter-over-quarter. On a constant currency basis, business and government loans increased 15% from the prior year with strong growth across all operating groups. Consumer balances were up 9 percent, reflecting diversified growth in the P&C businesses and in wealth. Average customer deposits increased 8 percent year-over-year and 2 percent sequentially, as we remain focused on growing our core deposit base. Looking ahead, we expect full-year average loan growth to be in the mid to high single-digit range, reflecting strong diversified pipelines and matching similar growth rates in deposits. Turning to slide 12, net interest income on an X trading basis was up 21 percent from last year, driven by strong balance growth and margin expansion. Net interest margin X trading was up 11 basis points from last year and down seven basis points from last quarter. There was temporary volatility disorder related to the balance sheet positioning ahead of the closing of the acquisition. Higher net margins in our PNC and wealth management businesses raised our NIM by two basis points quarter over quarter. In Canadian PNC, higher deposit and loan spreads were partially offset by deposit mix reflecting strong growth in term deposits. In US PNC, where our margin widened by 43 basis points year over year, higher deposit spreads were partially offset by lower loan spreads, higher risk transfer costs, and the impact from changes in product mix. Offsetting these increases were two temporary items in the current quarter that lowered our quarterly NIM by four basis points. First, higher cash balances ahead of the closing of the Bank of the West transaction And second, temporary deposit interest expense in capital markets that was fully offset in other non-interest income with no impact to total revenue. A discrete permanent increase in liquid assets for regulatory liquidity requirements lowered our margin by two basis points. Other factors during the quarter included a one basis point for the impact of risk transfer transactions quarter over quarter. The year-over-year expansion in our NIM has been a major driver of our PPPT growth in our PNC businesses, and as we move beyond the temporary factors over the next couple of quarters, we expect the BMO standalone NIM to resume expanding during the second half of the year as deposit spreads begin to stabilize. With the addition of Bank of the West balance sheet, we expect the widening NIM to be a core relative strength for BMO. Post-closing, we expect our NIM to widen by approximately 10 basis points for both the second quarter and the full year. Moving to our interest rate sensitivity on slide 13. A 100 basis point rate shock is expected to benefit net interest income by $542 million over the next 12 months. Rate sensitivity for the quarter is elevated as our short-term liquidity was elevated for the Bank of the West closing. We will provide an update on combined sensitivity, including Bank of the West, next quarter. But overall, we believe we are well positioned for the current environment. Moving to slide 14, expenses were up 9 percent from the prior year, or up 6 percent, excluding the impact of the stronger U.S. dollar and higher performance-based compensation, mainly reflecting the follow-through impact of targeted investments during the last year. including Salesforce expansion, technology and marketing, as well as inflation, rather than added expenses this quarter. These investments have been disciplined and strategic and have helped fuel our revenue growth and created efficiency gains in our business. Expenses were down 1% sequentially, excluding the impact of stock-based compensation for employees eligible to retire and seasonality of benefits that is recognized in the first quarter of each year which together approximated $260 million this quarter. Our commitment to positive operating leverage continues to drive our dynamic management actions. Coming into this year, as you can see in our quarter-over-quarter trends, with the capacity that we have in place, our incremental investment needs have moderated. As a result, with a follow-through impact of last year's investments subsiding after the second quarter, We expect our year-over-year expense growth to moderate in the second half of the year. Moving to slide 15, our capital position remains strong with a common equity Tier 1 ratio of 18.2 percent, excluding the impact of the management of fair value changes related to the Bank of the West transaction. The CET1 ratio increased approximately 180 basis points due to our common share issuance, strong internal capital generation, and a reduction in risk-weighted assets, partially offset by the one-time impact of the tax measures. Source currency risk-weighted assets were lower, mainly reflecting the benefit from risk transfer transactions, model updates, and changes in book quality. Synthetic risk transfer transactions this quarter added approximately 35 basis points to our CET1 ratio compared to last quarter. The cumulative incremental capital of 120 basis points generated by the fair value management actions since announcement last December will be offset by higher goodwill at closing. As discussed previously, we remain confident that our CET1 ratio will remain above 11.5% in Q2 and continue to build to 12% by the end of the fiscal year. Turning to slide 16, we updated our assumptions regarding the acquisition of Bank of the West, excluding purchase accounting impacts, which will be finalized before the end of the second quarter. At announcement, we expected the transaction to be 10 percent accretive to fiscal 2024, or 8 percent, excluding transient items related to purchase accounting. Based on our internal plan, we expect accretion in 2024, excluding transient items, to be approximately 7%. The reduction is in part due to stronger BMO standalone performance and a revised Bank of the West outlook, mainly reflecting the impact of the later than anticipated closing and conversion dates. We continue to expect the future benefit from annualized expense synergies to be approximately 670 million U.S. dollars and initiatives to be fully executed by the end of the first year after closing, which is now the start of the second quarter of 2024, with the realization of those savings building over the next 12 months. Merger and integration costs, which are excluded from adjusted net income, are now estimated to be 1.5 billion U.S. dollars and the expectation that they will be fully incurred by the end of the second year after close. As Daryl said, we are very optimistic about our future growth with Bank of the West leading to a very meaningful PPPT lift. Moving to the operating groups and starting on slide 17, Canadian PNC delivered net income of $980 million, down 2% from the prior year due to higher provisions for credit losses with strong pre-provision, pre-tax earnings growth of 9%. Revenue was up 9% from the prior year. Net interest income increased 14%, reflecting strong balanced growth and higher margins. Expenses were up 9%, reflecting investments in the business, including sales force expansion and in technology, and higher salaries, and decreased 1% sequentially. Average loans were up 12%, with 11 percent growth in residential mortgage lending and 16 percent in commercial loans. Deposits increased 11 percent year-over-year and 3 percent sequentially with strong growth in term deposits. Moving to US PNC on slide 18, my comments here will speak to the U.S. dollar performance. Net income was $521 million, down 3 percent due to higher provisions for credit losses with strong pre-provision, pre-tax earnings growth of 12 percent. Revenue was up 12 percent, with 22 percent growth in net interest income due to strong loan growth and margin expansion of 43 basis points year over year. The decline in non-interest revenue was mainly due to commercial deposit fees, which during higher interest rate periods is largely offset in net interest income, as well as lower operating lease revenues. Expenses increased 11 percent due to higher employee costs and technology investments and remained relatively flat sequentially. On the balance sheet, average loans were up 10 percent from the prior year, reflecting very strong commercial growth of 11 percent. Average deposits declined 4 percent year over year and increased 1 percent from last quarter. Moving to slide 19. BMO wealth management net income was $278 million, down from $316 million last year. Wealth and asset management net income was $208 million, down $54 million as growth in net interest income and new client assets were more than offset by weaker global markets and lower online brokerage transactions. Insurance net income was $70 million, compared with $54 million in the prior year. Expenses were up 4%, mainly due to the impact of investments made in the business in fiscal 2022. Turning to slide 20, BMO Capital Markets net income was $510 million, compared to a particularly strong $712 million in the prior year. Pre-provisioned pre-tax earnings were $636 million, up 43% quarter over quarter, reflecting good performance in the current market environment. Compared with the prior quarter, revenue in investment and corporate banking was up 12 percent due to higher corporate banking revenue and investment banking activity, and global markets was up 29 percent on higher client activity. Expenses were up 5 percent due to higher operating costs and continued investments in the business, partly offset by lower employee-related costs. Turning now to slide 21, corporate services net loss was $195 million compared to $132 million in the prior year. Net losses in corporate services will continue to be higher than our normal range for the next quarter or two due to the moving parts associated with the Bank of the West transaction, including the impact of the prior buildup of excess capital that is now being deployed in the business post-closing. We expect corporate earnings to normalize towards the end of the year. To conclude, we had very good operating performance with record quarterly revenues to start the year. The results demonstrate the advantage of our well-balanced, diversified business mix, which will now be meaningfully enhanced with the addition of Bank of the West starting this quarter. Overall, we continue to focus on managing our company dynamically with a keen focus on continuous efficiency improvements while investing for growth. Our larger presence in the U.S. significantly enhances our opportunities to grow while leveraging our existing platform for more optimal resource allocation.
spk11: I will now turn it over to Piyush. Piyush Patel- Thank you, Typhoon, and good morning, everyone. We are pleased with our risk performance this quarter. Key portfolio metrics remain strong despite rising rates and continued high inflation. This quarter's performance continues to reflect strong risk management discipline across the bank. Starting on slide 23, the total provision for credit losses was $217 million of 15 basis points, down $9 million of one basis point from prior quarter. Impaired provisions for the quarter were $196 million of 14 basis points, flat to the fourth quarter. The strong impaired loan performance is due to low formations which continue to be below pre-pandemic levels. We do expect impaired provisions to return to more normal levels over time. Moving to slide 24, the $21 million provision for credit losses on performing loans reflected increased uncertainty in credit conditions and growth in certain portfolios, largely offset by portfolio credit improvement, including benefits from the risk transfer transactions. We remain comfortable that a $2.5 billion of performing loan allowances provides good loss coverage. Turning to the impaired loan credit performance in the operating groups, retail impaired loan losses were $135 million in Canadian PNC and $13 million in U.S. PNC. The quarter-over-quarter increase in impaired PCL is consistent with the expected normalization trend in delinquency rates in unsecured consumer loans and credit cards which still remain below pre-pandemic levels. For real estate secured lending, we continue to view the risk from higher rates as modest given a high credit quality borrower base and low LTVs. As you can see on slide 27, the riskier segment renewing over the next 12 months is nominal given our portfolio quality. In our commercial and corporate businesses, we saw strong credit performance. In Canadian commercial, we reported impaired loan provisions of $19 million or seven basis points, down three basis points from last quarter. Our U.S. commercial business had impaired loan provisions of $35 million or 11 basis points, also down one basis point from last quarter. Our capital markets business had a net recovery of $3 million driven by zero new formations this quarter and some modest reversals. Despite the rising rates in inflation, our wholesale credit quality remains strong and impaired rates below pre-pandemic levels. On slide 25, bank-wide impaired formations were $521 million and gross impaired loans balance was $2 billion, or 36 basis points. Both formations and the gross impaired loan rate continue to be well below pre-pandemic levels. Looking ahead, the coming quarter PCL will have a one-time adjustment for Bank of the West opening allowance. And in terms of overall impaired PCL, including the Bank of the West loan portfolio, we expect impaired loss rates to trend in the high teens to low 20 basis points, which is in line with our combined pre-pandemic experience. To conclude, We are well positioned to manage current and emerging risks, given the quality of our portfolio, high allowance coverage, and strong risk management capabilities. I will now turn the call back to the operator for the Q&A portion of this call.
spk07: Thank you. We will now take questions from the telephone lines. If you have a question and you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before making a selection. If you have a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If at any time you wish to cancel the question, please press star 2. Please press star 1 at this time if you have a question. There will be a brief pause while the participants register for questions. Thank you for your patience. The first question is from Ibrahim Poonawalla from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
spk09: Ibrahim Poonawalla Good morning. I guess maybe just starting on the expenses, when you think about adjusted expense growth 9% year-over-year, I'm sorry if I missed any specific guidance, but I heard you say it should moderate from year. Just talk to us in terms of if you can put some numbers around what you expect expense growth maybe in the back half of the year or for full year 23 that we should expect ex-Bank of the West impact.
spk12: Sure. And thanks for the question, Ibrahim. You know, I think the expense growth year over year excluding the impact of foreign exchange was, you know, 7% and excluding the impact of higher performance-based capital was 6%. As you know, you know, we have a firm commitment to positive operating leverage. and coming into the year, the speed of investments that we've made in the business last year has slowed down because we have created the capacity that we need to meet our growth targets. So as such, and then you can look at the quarter-over-quarter change, which was actually down, excluding the seasonal uptick. So as we look ahead, we see maybe another quarter of these types of expense growth numbers because we will be lapping last year's expense trends. And once we cross into the second half of the year, I expect, on average, you're going to see 3%, 4% drop in our year-over-year expense growth, which then gives us the ability to continue to commit to positive operating leverage for the year.
spk09: Understood. And I guess with the Bank of the West expense savings, I believe you mentioned 95% savings by 2020. but should we get to that point by the end of fiscal year 2023 in terms of once you do the systems conversion on Labor Day, by the end of October, you should have most of the savings in the numbers, as you can see, about 1 to 24?
spk12: So, Ibrahim, let me remind you then, when we announced the transaction, we said that we will capture 100% of the expense synergies within the first 12 months following the closing date. And we intend to do the same still, but now that the closing date has moved to February 1 from the original assumption of three months before that when we announced the transaction, it just shifted the date of the full capture. We intend to enter the second quarter of 24 with a run rate and with 100% of the cost savings, just exactly the same that we announced back last December.
spk09: Got it. And just one last one on deals related to Typhoon. You mentioned carrying more liquidity, which had a drag of two basis points on the margin this quarter. Anything else that we should be mindful of in terms of capital stress testing, liquidity requirements coming out of the deal that you may have to do or manage to?
spk12: No, I think there's no impact from capital stress testing. There were a total of four basis points of temporary factors. One of them relates to the buildup in liquidity, and one of them is in our capital markets business, which is fully compensated in NERR. The permanent two basis points liquidity was just related to our normal update of our deposit modeling assumptions, and we just happened to have updated them this quarter. which has changed the liquidity, the liquid asset balance on our balance sheet, but none of this relates to any capital stress tests.
spk09: But nothing around the treatment of the U.S. entity changes in a meaningful way post-deal versus pre-priority?
spk12: Yeah, this is not, no, no.
spk09: All right, thanks for taking my questions.
spk07: Thank you. The next question is from Meni Graman, from Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
spk14: Hi, good morning. Just a numbers question on capital. Apologies if I missed it, but are you able to quantify the impact on the Basel III update for Q2, what that is going to be for you?
spk12: Yeah, so we are obviously finalizing the results of the transition this quarter. You know, I think Overall, as we mentioned, I believe, last quarter, there is going to be a benefit, and that benefit potentially could be, you know, 35 to 40 basis points for the quarter.
spk14: Okay, thanks. And then, Daryl, I just want to make sure I heard you correctly in terms of the guidance for Bank of the West for 2025. Did you talk about $2 billion in pre-tax, pre-provision funds? Earnings benefit, is that the right number that I have?
spk15: You got it right, Manny, and I'll just clarify for you. By the end of 25, and I think this is an important point, we're trying to remind everybody that when we have the full benefit of the company on a standalone basis, plus the cost synergies that Typhoon has just reminded us all of, plus you may recall, Manny, in Q2 of last year, we announced a range of revenue synergies which we said take a little longer to get to, but I've got to tell you, in the early days of owning the asset, my confidence level has gone up on those revenue synergies. You get to $2 billion of PPPT, and I'll remind you that those are U.S. dollars. So to use very round numbers to illustrate it for you, you've got $1 billion of standalone PPPT. You've got $670 of cost savings. And then if you take the low end of the revenue synergy range that we presented in Q2 of last year, you get a little over $2 billion U.S. So I rounded it to two, which if you compare that to our current run rate for the total company at BMO, that's roughly a 20% lift in the PPPT power of the company by the time we get to the end of 25. Okay, great.
spk14: Yeah, you answered my questions without me having to ask them, so thank you.
spk03: You're welcome.
spk07: Thank you. The next question is from Doug Young from Desjardins Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
spk16: Hi. Good morning, Tiffany. I think you talked a bit about corporate losses being elevated this quarter and expected to be elevated, I guess, in Q2 as well. Can you talk a bit about what's causing that elevation, what the unusual items are? Can you quantify anything there?
spk12: Yeah, so I have to tell you that both the quarter preceding a transaction of the size that we are executing and the quarter after the transaction will have some noise. Coming into the quarter, we obviously were sitting on a good amount of capital. There were some transactional costs that were running through the corporate section. And so nothing really unusual going through. But that noise will probably last a couple of quarters here before, you know, towards the end of the year, we sort of go back to our regular pieces. And just remember, this quarter, there's also the impact of the seasonal expenses and the early expenses relative to last quarter. So nothing really fundamentally
spk16: big numbers but you know a number of small items uh impacting uh the trends again i i suspect that uh we will start normalizing trends uh you know once we go through the second quarter into the second half okay and then just second on on nims i think in the u.s and then discussion it was talked about loan margins declining in the u.s can you can you elaborate a little bit about what you're seeing what's driving that. And then the synthetic risk transfer, I think you talked about that having a point or two of negative impact. Is there more of that to anticipate as well? Thank you.
spk12: Yeah, let me take the synthetic and then I'll turn it over to Dave for comments on the U.S. Yes, so this quarter, on a quarter-over-quarter basis, our NIM was negatively impacted by one basis point due to the increased level of risk transfer transactions. You know, as we look forward, we don't anticipate the activity levels to be high enough to impact future quarterly NIM progress. I mean, I think, you know, we will always continue to manage our capital as efficiently, but sitting here today, I suspect that the incremental impact this year will be less. And then to Dave for comments.
spk00: So the NIM for the year in PNC-US was up 43 basis points. So we were really happy with that. And that sticks. And that's really a result of a very solid diversified deposit base across both Ernie's business and the commercial business. The decrease in the loan spread is more than offset by the deposit side. that's pretty expected in the times like this with interest rates going up. So nothing significant there. Probably a little bit of just a mix in terms of the higher rate loans. Probably we haven't grown as much. Those would be the riskier, but nothing significant. And I expect the NIM to continue to be pretty strong given the deposit base we have. And just I'll throw in, it's going to only get better in terms of overall NIM for the bank when we add the very solid and consistent type of deposit business we'll get with Bank of the West.
spk16: Appreciate it. Thank you.
spk07: Thank you. The next question is from Paul Holden from CIBC. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
spk05: Yeah, thank you. Good morning. First question is related to the loan growth guidance of mid to high single digits. I believe the guidance last year was, or as of last quarter, was for high single digits. So I think just a little bit of a downshift, and maybe you can clarify if I'm correct on that one. And then if there is a change, what's driving the change in outlook?
spk12: Yeah, in general, I'll make a comment about the broader loan trends. You know, I think we obviously have seen very strong growth last year, and year-over-year numbers are very strong. And we continue, we have the capacity to continue. And these numbers are all obviously standalone BMO numbers, not including, you know, the impact of Bank of the West. And I think in general, and Dave can comment on some of the commercial aspects and Ernie can comment on the consumer side, we're mindful of the environment and providing you a reasonable update for what we see today. So, Dave, any comments?
spk00: Yeah, I think the guidance we gave you is the same. Obviously, the economy is slowing a little bit. We're not slowing, but the economy is. And to that extent, you know, it depends on where we go. But so far, we've seen a modest moderation just given the economy. Some of our businesses are doing even better. Our businesses that are tied to inventory built, like our auto floor plan business is up. Our asset-based lending business is up. where we'd see some modest decline more in the U.S. probably than Canada would be in real estate where the pipelines just aren't as strong. But we continue to be pretty bullish, very bullish long term in terms of where our loan growth has been. It's consistently outpaced the peers as we've added new clients. I expect that to continue.
spk05: Thank you. And then the second one is just looking at the Bank of the West slide. You show the deposit expectation today versus prior, so $72 billion versus prior, so 6.5% decline. And I get there is a runoff in deposits in U.S. banking, but it's probably outpaced the broader industry. So I'm wondering if there is an explanation there on the materiality of the decline.
spk12: It's in line with what we see overall in U.S. banking, and obviously we now have the opportunity to work more closely with our new colleagues at Bank of the West, and maybe Ernie can comment on what she sees in terms of the deposit outlook for the company.
spk10: Yeah, on the U.S. side, if I was specific to your question, what we're seeing obviously is now the start of some of the surge deposits leaving the everyday banking kind of checking and saving. So that is a norm, and you're seeing migration to higher rates. But if I step back and say what we're thinking about for the U.S. in terms of our entire deposit taking, you have that core stability that we've always had in our existing BMO franchise. That deposit plus digital, very steady, sticky deposits, long-term relationships with mass affluent customers. Now we're adding, as we've said numerous times today, our Bank of the West, and that really doubles our footprint. Now we're 1,000 branches across. 32 states, where we're going to be consistently driving stable growth with primary customer relationships, and that's key to us. Then on top of that, if you know, and I've referenced this before, we have a digital deposit-taking capability. That's the third part of our strategy, and that runs across the entire 50 states. And that is something that drives our growth in terms of out-of-footprint acceleration and and really something that provides us as an overall bank with a very sustainable model, great capacity to ebb and flow in terms of our deposit growth, and I think a competitive advantage for us. So that's what we're going to be leveraging going forward. And as we look across the next few months, you're going to see us grow further in our deposit taking from our digital channels.
spk05: I'll leave it there. Thank you. Thank you.
spk07: The next question is from Gabriel Deschain from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
spk13: Hey, good morning. I want to follow up on that one, actually. Both in loans and deposits for Bank of the West, the lower numbers versus what you had there at announcement, is that decline factored at all in the reduced accretion expectation? Because it doesn't sound like it. It sounds like that's mostly related to the timing of expense synergies.
spk12: yes yes the current balance sheet and their current business outlook is included in our update so so if deposit uh balances the declines accelerate we could potentially revisit this issue well you always revisit when things change in terms of how you update your financial outlook but you know at this point with what we know this is our current expectation
spk13: Okay, I asked you about credit risk transfers on the Q4 call. I want to ask you about that again. 35 basis point benefit. Thanks for quantifying that, by the way. That equates to about over a billion dollars of equity or quarter one capital. These things boost your capital ratios, obviously, but what's the cost? If I put your ROE against $1.2 billion of capital, we're looking at around $150 million of earnings. You said it compares favorably to that. It's probably a lower figure, but maybe you can help clarify.
spk12: These are very efficient transactions. As you know, we've been executing these for the past four or five years, so we have quite an experience. We estimate the per annum costs. of these transactions over a lifetime, you know, somewhere between 8 and 9 percent. So, these are very good transactions, you know, to optimize our returns for our shareholders and continue to support growth on our balance sheets. This is part of how we manage our balances. They have always been part of that. Piyush, I don't know if you want to make comments on your end.
spk11: Piyush Bhattacharya- Yeah, I think I would just add, as we've said before, it's also a very active risk management tool that banks should employ, among many others. apart from creating capacity for new business, which you're not seeing right now because it's going to come in through NIM and other earnings over time, they help you in terms of managing portfolio concentration risks in this environment. So I think in the collective suite of the things you're doing, this is a very efficient way in terms of managing our portfolio and at a capital cost that's acceptable to us.
spk13: Yeah, no, fair enough. I get the rationale. There's a benefit. I just want to clarify the cost. So 8% to 9% of whatever equity number I can associate with, you know, the RWA improvement, right? That's correct. All right. Have a good rest of the week. Thank you. Remainder.
spk07: Thank you. The next question is from Mario Mendonca from ATD Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
spk06: Good morning, Teflon. I may have missed comments you offered on what the all-bank margin will look like with Bank of the West because there was another call going on while your call was happening. Did you offer any outlook on the all-bank margin, including Bank of the West?
spk12: Yes, I did. I said that starting in Q2, and my comment applied to Q2 as well as the remainder of the year, there should be about a 10 basis point lift to our margin once we include Bank of the West.
spk06: Yeah, that's all bank X trading. Is that right? That is correct. Okay, then one other thing. I want to thank you for slides on page 34 of your presentation. This is precisely the way I wish every bank would show their funding costs and loan margins. But it also, of course, creates a lot of questions, too. One thing I like doing when I look at slides like this is just comparing the change in the loan spread relative to the change in the customer deposit cost. And what's clear from looking at this is There was asset sensitivity early on, meaning the assets were repricing faster than the cost of customer deposits. But that has almost certainly changed from one quarter to the last few quarters. So what we're seeing now is that deposit costs are, in theory, they're rising, not theory, but actually rising faster than loan yields. Is that a trend you expect to continue? And if so, would it really tell us that the margin expansion story is now over?
spk12: Okay, so good question. I will relay the compliments on the slides to our IR group. In terms of the change in the pace of asset repricing versus deposit repricing, we are at the later stages of this rate cycle. So this is a very natural result of the timing And as we look ahead, you start actually focusing on the other side of the rate cycle and you want to make sure that you are protecting the downside while you continue to benefit, especially from normalizing loan spreads, because as rates move up, loan spreads tend to come under pressure. Now we are, as we look ahead to the last two, three quarters of the year, We are expecting loan spreads to slowly normalize, and we are also expecting this migration from transaction accounts to term deposits to also normalize. We probably have another quarter or two with these moves, but what will help our NIM, and we're not yet declaring that we're past the peak in our NIM. We are still expecting some expansion in the second half of the year based on what I said, while we keep an eye on the downside.
spk06: That's helpful. Thank you.
spk07: Thank you. The next question is from Lamar Prasad from Cardmark Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
spk04: Thanks. I appreciate the guidance from you all. That's very helpful. But I'm I'm wondering what's the appropriate starting point. I'm trying to figure out what the appropriate baseline is to tack on the additional 10 basis points of margin expansion for Q2 related to Bank of the West. Is that the 179 basis points on your slide 12 for adjusted?
spk12: Yeah, so I'm going to ask you for one more quarter of patience on this question because we want to make sure that we have all the final purchase accounting entries Because for me to give you a reference point, I do need to know what those adjustments are. So if you can just give us another quarter here, when we get to the end of the second quarter, when we do our earnings call, we will give you a much more detailed perspective on how to reference going forward what that should be.
spk04: Okay. And then I want to go back to the Bank of the West slide there, the updated accretion estimates. Just to be clear, that doesn't include the additional share issuance in response to OSFI DSB announcement, right?
spk12: Yes. The December issuance, this most recent issuance, is not included because that was not related to Bank of the West.
spk04: Okay. And then, not sure if I heard you correctly in the opening remarks, but I think you mentioned the reduction in the 2024 accretion estimate was due to the delayed closing of Bank of the West. Shouldn't that be higher because of the delayed closing because we're comparing a full year of Bank of the Less in 2024 versus only three quarters for 2023? What am I missing there?
spk12: Yes. So since at announcement, when we made the announcement in December of 21, we assumed that the transaction would close 90 days earlier than where it did. So we are one quarter behind in terms of the closing date, which then shifts the capture of all the expense savings And we get one quarter in 24 where we actually finalize that capture. That's the only change. It's a calendar change, basically, nothing else.
spk04: Gotcha. So it's related to the extent that... Okay, that's it for me. Thanks, guys.
spk07: Thank you. The next question is from Juho Kim from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
spk02: Hi, thanks, Sena. Good morning. Just a quick one here. On your domestic residential mortgage growth, we've seen some slowdown from your peers, but not so from BMO. And the growth was pretty strong this quarter. So just curious where that growth is coming from, whether that's from a certain segment of the customer market or geography, and what's your outlook for growth in that business going forward?
spk10: Yes, Ernie, I'll answer that question. So you're absolutely right. Our strategy has been to grow at or above market. Over the past, I would say, 12 months, we've had acquired a significant increase in our sales team and we've been digitizing our mortgage process so that we're a more effective, you know, kind of originator of mortgages. That said, We obviously have been benefiting from the fact that you have a pipeline that obviously has a long duration to get through to your balance sheet, and that's what you're seeing coming through. Right now we're seeing originations down the same amount that the market is down, so you can anticipate our going forward mortgage balances or our growth, I should say, to slow down at what you're seeing from the market overall. No differences in terms of segments. We're focused, again, on very quality customers, full share of wallet, bring the mortgage in, bring the rest of their business in, have a primary relationship. So no change there. But as I said, you'll see some moderation going into the back half of this year just as the mortgage market has adjusted.
spk04: Thank you. That's it for me.
spk07: Thank you. The next question is from Nigel D'Souza from Veritas Investment Research. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
spk03: Thank you. Good morning. I actually had a follow-up question along the lines of residential mortgages. When I look at your remaining amortization, the portion of mortgages with a negative amortization, so I guess these would be fixed payment variable mortgages, for those mortgages, any portion of the increase in the monthly payment being added back the outstanding balance for that mortgage?
spk11: Amit Bhandari- Nigel, hi. It's Piyush. Let me begin, and then maybe Ernie can chime in. So, I think overall, our performance in the mortgage book continues to be very solid. We've obviously looked at various internal measures, capacity analysis, and just given the strength of the Canadian customer, their customer capacity to pay, we feel very good about the future. I think your question really around payments, we've gone back as a preemptive measure to several of our customers. And as part of the strong relationship, it's not for us to tell them to pay more now. The product allows them to pay as and when they're able. Several customers have taken us up, and 20 percent have actually put more money in. But we think that the average increase by the time of renewal is absolutely manageable for our customers. And in fact, it gives them the optionality because many of them, like us, do believe rates will come down. So when it comes time for renewal, which the big slug for us is three, four years out, we should be in a very healthy position and actually build customer loyalty. And none of those negative mortgages, by the way, have hit any regulatory trigger rate. So we feel we are in a very good position with our customers.
spk07: Thank you. We have no further question registered at this time. I would like to turn back the meeting over to Darrell.
spk15: Thank you, Operator, and thank you all for your questions. As you've heard today, we continue to have good momentum in our operations across personal and commercial banking, wealth management, and capital markets. Our strong foundation, a relentless focus on execution of our dynamic plan, the addition of the Bank of the West, combined with our leading winning culture and high performance organization further enhances our long-term growth opportunities. As I said earlier, I've never been more confident that guided by our purpose-driven strategy, we are uniquely positioned to deliver sustained and consistent financial performance over time. Thank you for participating in today's call, and we look forward to speaking to you again in May.
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