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Thank you. Welcome to Manulife's earnings conference call to discuss our first quarter 2024 financial and operating results. Our earnings materials, including webcast slides for today's call, are available on the Invest Relations session of our website at Manulife.com. Before we start, please refer to slide two for a caution on forward-looking statements, and slide 36 for a note on a non-GAAP and other financial measures used in this presentation. Note that certain material factors or assumptions are applied in a baking forward-looking statement, and actual results may differ materially from what is stated. Coming to slide four, Roy Gori, our president and chief executive officer, will begin today's presentation with a highlight of our first quarter results and a strategic update. Following Roy's remarks, Colin Simpson, our chief financial officer, will discuss the company's financial and operating results in more detail. After the prepared remarks, we'll move to the live Q&A portion of the call. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Roy Gori, our president and chief executive officer.

Thanks, Hung, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Starting on slide six, yesterday, we announced our first quarter 2024 financial results. We continued to execute against our strategy, driving quality growth and delivering superior results as we began 2024. Our top-line growth was broad-based, with record levels of new insurance business results, including double-digit growth in APE sales across each of our insurance segments, and $6.7 billion of global WAM net inflows, with positive contributions from each global business line. This quarter, we closed the milestone reinsurance transaction with Global Atlantic, which includes the largest ever LTC block. Despite the modest impact of the transaction, we generated 16% growth in core earnings, supported by strong contributions from Asia and global WAM. Core EPS grew by 20% as we continue to return capital to shareholders, including through share buybacks. Core ROE grew nearly two percentage points from prior year to 16.7%, and is well ahead of our medium-term target of 15% plus. And we are delivering superior returns, whilst maintaining a robust balance sheet and ample financial flexibility. Growing ROE is a key priority and a key outcome of our transformation journey, which takes me to slide seven. During the quarter, we announced the largest ever universal life reinsurance deal in Canada, which is another milestone and a testament to our execution capabilities. We once again transacted at an attractive earnings multiple ahead of where we currently trade. The transaction will release $800 million of capital, which we plan to return to shareholders through an amendment to our existing share buyback program to repurchase up to 5% of our outstanding common shares. After accounting for buybacks, the deal will be accreted to both core ROE and core EPS. We also expect to reduce $600 million of older, backing the transacted block. This transaction is another example of the value that we continue to create for our shareholders and will contribute to higher returns going forward. Turning to slide eight, expanding ROE is critical to delivering value to our shareholders. We've made tremendous progress since 2017, increasing core ROE by more than five percentage points up from 11.3%. We continue to take organic and inorganic actions that drive even higher ROE. Our unique footprint and strong cash generation enable us to invest in our highest potential businesses to generate superior returns. During the quarter, we delivered 34% MVV growth, with Asia comprising approximately 70% of the balance. In addition to record top line metrics, we've generated strong bottom line growth and our transformation is driving increased earnings contributions from our high return businesses. With over two thirds of core earnings delivered by our highest potential businesses during the quarter. This is up from 60% in the prior year. Inclusive of dividends over the past year, we've returned $4.1 billion of capital to our shareholders. We continue to expand global WAMS capabilities and footprint by closing our acquisition of CQS in April. CQS's experience in alternative credit investments not only expands our presence in Europe, but also accelerates the growth of our global wealth and asset management capabilities. Broadening the solutions we can offer our clients around the world. In addition, we will return the $2 billion of capital release from our two recent reinsurance transactions on low ROE businesses to shareholders through buybacks. All of these actions support long term ROE growth and we're focused on exploring additional opportunities to continue to generate higher returns. I'm excited by our momentum in the first quarter and by the opportunities ahead of us to continue generating shareholder value. I'll now hand it over to Colin to review the highlights of our financial results. Colin.

Thanks Roy. 2024 started well and I'm excited to go into a little more detail on the course's results before the Q&A. I'll start with our top line on slide 10. Our AP sales increased 21% from prior year with double digit growth across each of our insurance segments. This increase was supported by higher sales across several Asian businesses, higher large case group insurance sales in Canada and an increase in demand from our phone customers in the US. The momentum in our sales contributed to strong increases in new business CSM and new business value of 52% and 34% respectively. Our value metrics grew by more than our volume metrics demonstrating our focus on pricing discipline and business makeshift towards higher margin products. Global WAM saw strong net inflows of $6.7 billion reflecting positive flows from each business line. As you can see, there's real momentum in our global portfolio of businesses. Turning to slide 11, which shows the growth in our profit metrics. Core EPS increased 20% as we grew core earnings and continued buying back shares. During the quarter, we further improved our core ROE to .7% above our medium term target of 15% plus for the fourth consecutive quarter. We remained focused on driving up ROE and have been able to demonstrate progress through the execution of our two recent reinsurance transactions, along with business performance improvement and astute capital allocation. And on slide 12, you can see that we continue to show steady growth in our adjusted book value per share supported by an increase in our book value together with our CSM, which is a store of future earnings. This resulted in growth from the prior year quarter of 11% or 13% excluding the effect of foreign exchange rate movements to $33.39. Bringing you back to our core earnings results on slide 13, I'd like to call out some of the highlights of the drivers of earnings analysis presented relative to the prior year quarter. The first point to highlight is the 8% growth in core net insurance service results due to increases in expected earnings on insurance contracts in both our Asia and Canada segments. Secondly, an increase of 18% in our core net investment result was mainly due to a release in our expected credit loss or ECL provision over the quarter compared with provisions for certain commercial mortgages in the prior year. This reflects the benign credit environment during the quarter and the impact of reducing assets with the global Atlantic reinsurance transaction. Towards the bottom of the table, you will see that global WAM was a notable contributor to the results supported by higher average AUMA, improved margins and expense discipline. These factors were partially offset for higher workforce related expenses reflecting strong TSR performance included in other core earnings. I should also mention the net impact of the reinsurance transaction with global Atlantic was an $18 million reduction in core earnings. Note that this included some favorable one-time items during the quarter, mostly related to the release of ECL on debt instruments sold. More information on the earnings impact is available in the appendix. Onto slide 14. When we announced the reinsurance transaction with global Atlantic back in December of last year, we had told you that we expect to recognize a net income $1 billion of unrealized losses from assets disposed as part of this transaction. We actually saw a lower non-core charge of approximately $750 million across several lines, although mostly related to the recognition of unrealized losses. The charge was lower than expected due to a decrease in interest rates since the end of the third quarter of last year, which was the basis of the estimated impact we announced. Of note, there was an offsetting change in OCI neutralizing the book value impact. We closed this transaction on February the 22nd and are now focused on future in-force activity. Lower than expected returns on Aldo resulted in a $255 million charge, largely reflecting the ongoing pressure on commercial real estate due to increasing cap rates. The 40% reduction from peak in our US office values reflects the difficult market and is also a demonstration of our disciplined approach to asset valuations. Where more than 95% of our real estate portfolio is appraised by external appraisers each quarter. We're encouraged to see continued sequential improvements in our Aldo experience compared to recent periods, and the charge was partially offset by a $216 million gain due to higher than expected public equity returns during the quarter. This meant that our net income for the quarter was $1.6 billion, much more in line with our core earnings when you exclude the impact of the reinsurance transaction. The next few slides will cover the segment view of our results, starting with Asia on slide 15. The first quarter was another strong quarter with double digit growth in both top and bottom line metrics. APE sales increased 13% from prior year quarter, largely driven by growth in bank assurance sales in mainland China, as well as growth in Singapore and Japan, partially offset by lower sales in Hong Kong and continued industry headwinds in Vietnam. The overall increase in sales contributed to 68% and 28% growth in new business CSM and NVV respectively, which we refer to as our value metrics. We delivered 39% core earnings growth with meaningful increases in contribution from both Hong Kong, which is our largest enforced business, and Japan. Moving over to Global WAM's results on slide 16, we reported very strong net inflows of $6.7 billion for the quarter, continuing our momentum of positive net flows in 13 of the last 14 years in competitive markets. The strong net inflows this quarter were due to higher new plan sales and retirement. We also saw demand increasing in our retail business, supported by strong equity markets, and we continued to generate strong inflows in our institutional business. Global WAM also delivered double digit core earnings growth supported by higher average AUMA, which increased 9% from prior year quarter, along with our disciplined expense management. To that end, we are starting to see savings as a result of our restructuring efforts in the prior quarter, with core expenses up only 2%, which has much improved from 2023 results. Heading over to Canada on slide 17, we delivered another strong quarter of new business metrics. APE sales increased 54% from prior year quarter, mainly due to higher large case sales in our group insurance business, which was also the main contributor to our 71% growth in new business value. Core earnings increased 3%, primarily driven by business growth and a lower ECL provision, but these were partially offset by lower investment spreads. Slide 18 shows our US segments results. In the US, we saw somewhat of a return of demand from Afluen customers, which drove up APE sales, MBV and new business CSM results. The business delivered strong core earnings, which increased 18% from the prior year quarter, mainly reflecting a higher ECL provision in the prior year quarter, as well as the impact of higher yields and business growth. This was partially offset by more adverse net insurance experience. In addition, the reinsurance transaction reduced core earnings by $19 million. On to slide 19 in our balance sheet. We started off the year with a strong like that ratio of 138% in the first quarter, which was $24 billion above the supervisory target ratio. Our financial leverage ratio of .3% remains within our target ratio of 25%, adding to our ample financial flexibility. Through dividends and share buybacks, we returned over $0.9 billion of capital to shareholders during the quarter. As previously announced, we launched a new buyback program in late February related to our reinsurance transaction with Global Atlantic. Following our Canadian UL reinsurance transaction, we announced that we plan to amend the program to purchase up to 5% of our outstanding common shares. We have now received approvals from OSFI and the TSX for the new program, which will return the freed up capital from the two transactions to shareholders. As such, you will see an acceleration of our buyback activity from the $0.2 billion in the first quarter to more like $0.6 billion a quarter run rate for the rest of the year. And finally, moving to slide 20, which summarizes how we are tracking against our medium term targets. In the first quarter, we exceeded all of our medium term targets. We also generated 44% of earnings from the Asia region and increased our contribution from highest potential businesses to 67%. As you can see, Asia continues to play a pivotal role in our earnings growth. And we are looking forward to welcoming you to Asia for our In-Person Invest Today in June. This concludes our prepared remarks. Before we move to the Q&A session, I would like to remind each participant to adhere to a limit of two questions, including follow-ups, and to re-queue if they have additional questions. Operator, we will now open the call to questions.

Thank you. We will now take questions from the telephone lines. If you have a question, please press star one on your device's keypad. You may cancel your question at any time by pressing star two. Please press star one at this time if you have a question. There will be brief files while participants register for questions. We thank you for your patience. Our first question is from Minnie Gromen from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. Just wanted to start off by asking a question about Asia, obviously very strong results. If I look at the core earnings there, just wondering if there's anything that you would flag that's not sustainable. I guess I see the ECL maybe as a very small component of that, but wondering if there's anything else there that would sort of impact the run rate going forward.

Hello, Minnie. Good morning, this is Phil. And thank you for the question. You're right to point out it's been a strong core earnings quarter for Asia, in fact, a strong quarter for all of our value metrics and across the board. The level of earnings that you see are largely sustainable and I'll peel the onion a bit on this. The driver of growth in core earnings is the fact that we've grown the CSM by adding quality new business over the course of the past 12 to 18 months. And you can see that through the CSM expansion in the balance sheet. And we also had the impact, the favorable impact of the methodology change that took effect from Q4 and we spoke about last quarter. Now, in terms of items within the core earnings, run or co-earnings this quarter, that are, I suppose, not necessarily indicative of the overall run rate. I'll highlight two points. One is that Asia, and this is coming from Japan, benefited by approximately 9 million US dollars in the first quarter from the impact of the global Atlantic reinsurance transaction. And secondly, you may recall that last year in Q1 in Asia, there was negative policyholder experience through core earnings. This quarter, that was a modest positive of $5 million. And I would expect policyholder experience to vary from quarter to quarter and be approximately neutral on average. So I feel that the core earnings that you're seeing is largely sustainable. That's underpinned by the fundamentals of our business. And we may see some variability from, modest variability from policyholder experience and ECL. I think this is a good indication of the future. Thanks for the question, Manny.

Thanks, Phil. And then just as a follow-up, just focusing on sales and specifically the decline in Hong Kong. If you could just talk to what you're seeing in terms of the MCV sales in particular. And I'm wondering if the decline we're seeing there is just a function of the fact that you had so much growth after coming out of lockdowns. Is there any other dynamic there that you're seeing when it comes to mainland Chinese visitor sales? That would be impacting the results beyond just the fact that you had such a strong reopening.

Great, thank you for the question, follow-up question, Manny. It's been a really strong quarter in Hong Kong. And as I said last course, our focus is on value generation and value metrics. And notably we've seen 15% growth in new business value in Hong Kong, but it's not just NBV. We've seen growth in core earnings and new business CSM as well. Now the variability in APE is caused by variability in volume through the third party broker channel. And that's MCV broker channel. And what we're seeing with that channel is really quite fierce competition, as well as possibly an element of pent up demand in the prior year period. But I think the main driver there is intense competition. And when I look at the MCV business that we're sourcing from channels outside of third party brokers, so the agency channel and the bank assurance channel, we're seeing strong double digit growth. And that's what I would expect. I said many times the MCV customer segment is a legitimate customer segment that we expect to grow over the medium term. It reflects approximately 20 to 25% of our business from a new business value perspective in Hong Kong. And the other side of that is that our core business in Hong Kong is our domestic business. And that accounts for 75 to 80% of our NBV in the Hong Kong market. Now that core strength domestically is really important. And I spoke last quarter of the very strong growth that we'd seen in the domestic business. We saw about 15% growth in the fourth quarter of last year. That level of sales has been sustained into the first quarter. Now in terms of outlook for Hong Kong, I'm confident that we will continue to see growth in value metrics. This is our focus. And we get most value from our proprietary channels and exclusive bank channels. We will see some variability in APE from quarter to quarter as a result, largely of the broker channel. But overall, I feel confident about the future.

Thanks Phil, thanks for the detail.

Thank you. A following question is from Gabriel Dershane from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Good morning. I'll stick with that line of questioning and then I'll switch over to something else. But I'm wondering if you're starting to see the impact of the decline in sales on the MCV products because of that regulatory investigation, whatever you want to call it, across the industry. I want to point that out. And then, you know, is there, you know, it's more of a risk to your sales members. The profit impact is probably pretty insignificant if the sales do decline because it's a small portion of your sales and I think it's lower margin product. Maybe you can identify me there.

Yeah, thanks Gabriel for the question. This is Phil again. You're right to highlight the regulatory investigation. This is not anything that's specific to Manulife. The regulatory authorities in Hong Kong have announced an investigation and conducted an investigation to unlicensed selling of insurance policies to customers from mainland China. This is limited to the broker channel and has no direct impact on Manulife. Of course, at Manulife we have robust processes in place to enable compliance with all applicable laws and regulations. You asked whether that investigation in the broker channel is driving the variability that we see in Q1 in ABE. It's not. And we're not seeing at this point any impact directly from that regulatory investigation. Although I will highlight two things. One is that we have seen a decline in the first quarter relative to last year in the broker channel. And that's really driven, as I said, earlier by fierce competition in that channel. But we're seeing growth in our other MCV channels, agency and bank assurance. So I think that's one important point. I think the second important point is that, while we haven't seen it yet, it's reasonable to expect that the regulatory actions will or may cause some disruption in the MCV broker channel in the months to come. And that's really as I would expect brokers to be reviewing their processes in light of recent regulatory developments. Now, you are right, Gabriel, to highlight that the, you know, the variability in potential sales from the broker channel has much less of an impact on value metrics. It's lower margin business, largely because of the product mix, the savings-oriented product mix that comes through that channel. You know, only, if we look at our Hong Kong business, only 13% of new business value comes from the broker channel. So it's really quite modest, and our results will therefore be resilient to variability in that channel. And earnings, given the IFRS 17 methodology, which is driven by, you know, CSM and risk adjustment in the balance sheet, I would expect earnings also to be stable, regardless of what happens to APE variability.

Hey, Gabriel, Roy here. I just wanted to add a couple of quick comments. And I think Phil captured the essence of what's actually happening in Hong Kong and our outlook quite well. But we actually welcome the regulatory scrutiny and focus on MCV and the processes that are critical to, you know, selling and selling appropriately. We've always held a very high bar in terms of the practices that we employ, both from a compliance and from a governance perspective. So actually, we think this is a good thing for the industry to have a higher standard of care applied. And in the long run, it's gonna make this segment a much more sustainable and profitable segment. So it's something that we've actually been quite pleased with.

Gotcha. Thanks for the fulsome response. My next question, you know, just to update on the legacy process there. I don't know if Mark or Colin have something to add there. I know when you disposed of the LTC block last December, you isolated another four billion of, you know, product, a portfolio of similar characteristics to what you sold, if that number may be expanded. Or if your main struggle is what would you bundle in with that sub portfolio, if you will? Because my understanding is that, you know, potential buyers would want something in addition to LTC. Thanks.

Thank you, Gabriel. It's Mark. Good morning.

Good morning.

So yes, when we announced the transaction, as you mentioned, obviously it was a very substantial transaction for us and the industry validated, obviously our assumptions on our balance sheet, title T.C. and really create a lot of interest in our business and manual life. And I would say we transacted with a world-class counterparty as well. We had, as you mentioned, some significant interests in the transaction by the other parties around the industry. And as you mentioned, we do have another block of business that has the same vintage and characteristics. And as I'm sure you saw in our results for the last little while, the LTC experience is positive, right, which is another positive halo to our block and our performance overall as a firm. And, you know, we've demonstrated, obviously, execution capability in this space. So we don't talk about what's forthcoming, but we do have an interest in the block. And we are optimistic that the validation of our assumptions and our experience stand by itself, but we've had interest in the block and we continue to optimize, as we demonstrated by this Canadian transaction, overall legacy business. And we do so always with very favorable economics to our shareholders. So, and we can promise you that's what you continue to do on a daily basis around our enforce. Got it, thanks.

Good rest of the week.

Thank you. Our following question is from Doug Young from Desjardins Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. Just want to start with credit. And, you know, there was an ECL releases as you talked about, and there was a release even if you exclude the impact from the sale of the fixed income portfolio around the global Atlantic deal. And so, this seems a little counterintuitive to what I'm thinking, I guess, given the macro environment. And so, but I just wanted to kind of dig into a little bit. Are you not seeing any negative migration from stage one, two and three? Did you change any forward looking indicators or model weightings, or is there anything else unusual to think about from a credit perspective? And I mean, if you can weave in, you know, how you think about credit evolving, that would be helpful as well.

Yeah, hi, Doug, it's Scott. Thanks for the question. And yeah, it was a very good quarter for credit results. Start with that, we were not seeing much of any migration in the portfolio. So that led to, you know, very little in the way of addition to the ECL and having a release is unusual. Normally we would expect sort of through the cycle 30 to $50 million addition to the ECL. Of course, it is a fairly benign credit environment. So we would expect to do better than that until that situation changes. As far as the release goes, which is unusual, there are really two factors driving it. One was a small release from the reinsurance transaction. We disposed of a large number of bonds. There was ECL tagged to that and that led to a $16 million release. And then you're right, there is as part of the ECL process we're required to model out current market conditions. And we use a Moody's model to do that. And what drives that are largely capital market issues such as equity markets, which were very strong in Q1, credit spreads, which continued to tighten in Q1, as well as other factors such as unemployment, which stayed low. So the model did result in a modest release. So those were really the drivers. And just to clarify that 30 to 50 addition, is that per quarter or per year? That would be per quarter. And again, you'll see that there'll be a lot of variability in that in benign environments like today, you should expect to do better. And then to the extent we move into a recession, we will go above that to get to that long-term average.

No, appreciate that. And then just second, I guess this is for Steve, negative lapse experience again in the US life book, I assume that relates to the secondary guarantee business. And I'm just wondering how you're feeling around that business, around the upcoming actual review of that book. Is the experience progressively getting better over the last, even though it's negative, is it progressively getting better over the last year? Is it staying about the same? And if you do have to reset reserves, like do you have offsets elsewhere that you can kind of pull leaders on? Just hopefully to get some color on that.

Sure. Doug, thanks for the question. Yeah, in terms of what we're seeing on US lapses, we have seen a continuation of some of the trends. Where it's coming from, there's a portion that's coming from earlier duration lapses really related to the economic environment and higher interest rates. That's certainly more a short-term concern. In terms of the protection products in general, I've commented a few times about how we saw a drop, a discontinuity in lapse rates when the pandemic started. And we saw that across Canadian, UL, SEG fund products. We've seen it trending back, fully trended back in Canadian UL, which is a similar product, trended back in SEG funds, but it is not fully trended back in US life. We do expect that trend to emerge over time. And then, what I tell you about how we're thinking about the Actuarial Assumption Review here, just a little bit of context. As you know, we update assumptions very regularly, and we have reviewed lapse assumptions over the years. The last US lapse review was in 2021. That fully reflected pre-pandemic experience, so we were up to date. And as a result of those reviews, our long-term assumptions are, they're low, they're below 1%. So, we're taking all this information into consideration as we do our review, and too early to update you at this point, but we will update you as we get through that review later this year. Appreciate the color, thank you.

Thank you. Our following question is from Paul Holden from CIBC. Please go ahead.

Thank you, good morning. Wanna

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about the strengths in Asia, other sales, maybe a few more details behind what trove that strength, and maybe more importantly, how sustainable that may be.

Great, thank you, Paul, and good morning, this is Phil. You're right to highlight that we've had a very strong performance in Asia, other markets, APE growth of 20% and higher growth in value metrics, relative to that,

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me. What we have seen in 2024, as we go in, start the year and get through Q1, is a broadening of the recovery across multiple markets in Asia, other, and you may recall that I said a few times last year that the emergence from the pandemic was uneven across Asia. We've seen some evening out of that recovery in 2024, notably with seven out of nine of our Asia, other markets delivering double digit growth in sales. Now, when we deep dive, peel the onion into what's going on within Asia, we've seen a record quarter in mainland China. And we often see seasonality of sales in China, but this first quarter, it's been particularly strong, that's particularly coming from the bank assurance channel. And while we may see some variability, a quarter to quarter in mainland China, as a result of typical seasonality and other factors, I do feel confident about the future over the medium term. Now, in other emerging markets, Indonesia has been particularly important and is delivering very strong growth. And I look forward to sharing more about that as part of our upcoming investor day. And we should not forget about Singapore as well. Singapore has had a really strong start to the year. And that's a very important market to us in APE terms. It's now very similar to Hong Kong in terms of volume. So through the consistent growth in Asia, other markets, and notably Singapore in recent years, we have diversified our portfolio and really developed a strong footprint within ASEAN. Okay,

that's great. And then my second question is just bigger picture, higher for longer interest rate scenario seems increasingly probable. The way I view it from any life, there's probably some puts and takes. So what I'd like to particularly focus on is what does that mean for the net investment result, right? It didn't increase as much as I would have expected this year. So maybe you can address that as well, but kind of what we should expect for that line was higher for longer. And then two, what does that mean for the, for all the experience, does that mean maybe a period of, underperformance relative to long-term, assumed returns, excuse me, for a little bit longer? So those two components, please.

Yeah, Paul, that's a great question. And let me start, and I'll sort of provide some high-level comments, and I'll hand over to Steve, and then Scott might want to chime in as well, because there's a lot to unpack with your question. And I think the first comment I'd make is that higher rates are a positive for manual life. We've said this in the past, and quite frankly, it's a function of the fact that it means more attractive propositions for our customers in terms of the product that we offer, but it also talks to the fact that our surplus portfolio obviously benefits from the repricing of our fixed income portfolio, and that just simply flows through. If you look at 2023, we saw about a $200 million pre-tax -on-year benefit from higher rates. This year, if rates stay where they are currently, it's probably about a $40 million benefit in 2024 versus 2023, so it moderates a little bit because of the big impact that we saw and the big uplift that we saw in 2023. And largely, we have hedged our portfolio and reduced the volatility and the reliance on movements in rates or, quite frankly, even equity markets, but it still is a very big positive for us as we look forward, and that doesn't include any of the benefits from our URR, which is our long-term assumption, which, again, where we stand today in terms of the 30-year is significantly higher, at least in some jurisdictions, versus the ultimate reinvestment rate. So in summary, what I'd leave you with is, where a beneficiary of higher rates, we're not expecting that rates are gonna go much higher from here. We think that possibly the short end of the curve will come down a little bit, but the long end of the curve may be a little bit more sticky. And if you think about this from a multi-decade perspective, rates at the long end, whilst a little bit higher than where they've been for the last couple of decades, are still, from a historic perspective, quite reasonable. So we think that that, again, will be a bit of a tailwind for our business, both in terms of the earnings, but equally importantly, from the perspective of the attractiveness of our products in the market. Steve?

Yeah, I'll just emphasize a couple of things. Roy commented on where we saw the benefit of higher rates coming through. That's largely in the surplus portfolio. We do have very robust hedging programs, so we don't like to take large amounts of interest rate risk. And so you won't see it coming through the segments so much, but one other emphasis is the URR. I used to get questions all the time because our URR was above where the long-term rates are. And that was a potential headwind for the company. Now it's a potential tailwind if rates stay where they are because in our major geographies, we have URRs that are now lower, generally, than the current long-term rates.

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follow up on how it affects the ALDA portfolio. So interest rates do have an impact. Small moving rates won't really matter, but when we see pretty significant rate moves, it will have an impact. And we saw this when rates came down. When rates came down, that did provide a bit of a tailwind to current valuations, but you may recall, at that point in time, we actually reduced the future expected returns because if it's simply discount rates coming down, that means you get it today, but then the prospective returns are gonna be lower. And we're seeing the opposite result today with higher rates. We're seeing some valuations come down, but our expected future returns are now higher. And these assets are backing very long liabilities. We intend to hold these, and we'll get that back in higher future returns. Now it affects different asset classes a little bit differently within our ALDA portfolio. Private equity is not much affected by long-term rates. Actually, short-term rates matter more there because that's how the underlying companies finance themselves. And so I do think, as Rory mentioned, we would expect short rates to come down in the future, and that will be a bit of a tailwind for private equity, whereas the longer-term rates more affect the real estate portfolio. Those are the discount rates that are being used, and we are not really expecting those to come down much going forward. In fact, they've gone up by 50-plus basis points so far this year, and that represents a little bit of a continuing headwind on the real estate portfolio for the remainder of the year.

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Our following question is from Mario Mendonca from TD Securities. Please go ahead.

First on the global minimum tax, Colin, would it be fair to say that we'll start to see the increase in the Asia and wealth management tax rates as early as next quarter, and should we be sort of budgeting for something like 15% tax rate in Asia?

Hey, Mario, good to hear from you. Yes, you're right. It all depends on when GMT is substantially enacted in Canada. And so our expectation is Q2 and effective -1-24. So if that happens, we'll have a catch-up in the second quarter for both the first quarter and the second quarter. You highlighted Asia. That's right. I mean, you can see from our effective tax rates that we pay a little lower than average tax in our Asian businesses, and that's predominantly in Hong Kong. So you would expect those rates to creep up. As we said before, actually on the last call, a good guide for our future effective tax rates ranges about 17 to 22%.

Yeah, slightly different question. For two quarters, in the last quarter, we saw the change in CSM, the methodology change. This quarter, we're seeing a greater allocation of investment income, I believe, to Asia and wealth management. Now, maybe what I'm trying to get at here is the greater allocation of investment into Asia and wealth management. Is this something that's happened before, or is this like a first-time thing?

Yeah, you're right. And just to be clear, what you're talking about is the allocation of surplus across the businesses. So we carry out an exercise once a year. We look at overall surplus, and we allocate it to each of the segments accordingly. Now, because yields have increased, and actually certain businesses have got bigger, some businesses are getting bigger allocations than others. Because we do it at the start of the year, there is a bit of a lag, so you won't obviously notice it in Q2, Q3, Q4, but Q1 seems a little more outsized, but it really reflects the yield environment and the change in size of the businesses. Completely unrelated to the CSM, the yield cycle basis change that happened last quarter.

Yeah, I appreciate that they're not related, but I connect them because in both cases, they actually put manual life in a better light. So what I'm asking is, do you expect any other changes of this nature that either maybe allocate more income to the high growth segments or speed up the pace of CSM average or anything else of that nature?

An interesting question, Mario. I wouldn't argue that it paints manual life in a particularly better light, because when I look at everyone's valuation models, no one really looks at us on some of the parts valuation methodology. So I don't view it as a way for us to improve the manual life performance, but we're very proud of our Asia and our GWAM performance. In terms of outward looking perspective, there's nothing on the horizon that you would expect of this nature or magnitude. Thank you.

Thank you. Our following question is from Lamar Bursalt from Commerx Securities. Please go ahead.

Thanks, bigger picture question here for my first one. Probably from running the investor today, but the core ROE has been a heavier target for the past four quarters. Is there some specific factor that you expect to cause manual life to move back down to that target, or is the mid 16% ROE an appropriate way to think about this company now? Yeah, any thoughts would be helpful on that one.

Yeah, Lamar Roy here. Let me tackle that. And you are to some extent front running our investor today. So I certainly welcome everyone A, to join that, but B, to highlight that we're gonna be talking about core ROE and our outlook for that in the future. ROE and the improvement of our returns has been a huge focus for us over the last six years. And I've mentioned this on prior calls, but we've been very deliberate about reducing the risk profile of our franchise and improving the returns. Our ROE back in 2017 was circa 11%. And we took that up to almost 16% at the end of 23. That story's continued into 24 off the back of really solid momentum and good results. We delivered a core ROE in Q1 of 16.7%, 2% up on prior year. We're really pleased with that progress. And it's been a function of a couple of things. The first is that we've divested low ROE businesses. We freed up $11 billion worth of capital over the last six years. And that is capital that was being dedicated towards low ROE franchises. And obviously deploying that capital towards buybacks. In fact, we've bought back $5.5 billion worth of shares over the last five years. Has been obviously a tailwind to our ROE story. At the same time, we've increased our capital buffers. So that's been something that again, we're very proud of. And it gives us ammunition for future actions in the future. The second big focus for us is that we've improved the ROE on our new business across the board. Every segment has improved the lifetime return on capital of all of our new business, which means that as we write new business, it's gonna improve our earnings and our return outlook for the future. As we grow those higher ROE businesses, as you've seen and heard, Asia and WAM in particular, that changes the portfolio mix of our franchise and has been again, another big positive. The final thing I'd say is that on the expense front, we've driven a much greater focus on efficiency, which again is accretive to ROE. So in summary, I wouldn't say that we would expect to go backwards from where we are to the 15 plus percent guidance. We think that what we were able to deliver in 23 is a baseline and we see further upside for improvement. I'm gonna have to ask you to sort of wait to hear more about that at our investor day.

Oh, that's fair, thanks. And then my second question, just continuing on the credit losses from an earlier question, you guys mentioned 30 to $50 million bill being kind of normal and explained the reasoning for the release this quarter. But I'm wondering, does Manulife make use of expert credit judgment to smooth out credit loss provisioning, or is it simply whatever the model spits out is what makes its way into the DOE. So we should expect kind of more volatility in the ECL line,

thanks.

Hi Lamar, Scott. So there is a model which is formulaic, which is from Moody's that we and a number of other people use, but we also have a process to go through it and apply judgment on top of that. And we have applied that judgment in the past, we tend to apply it in a more conservative nature, I would say, particularly if things are happening after the end of the quarter. If you looked at the first quarter of last year, I believe the model suggested we should have a release and we were a bit concerned given what was going on with Silicon Valley Bank and so forth. So we overrode the model not to do that. So yes, we do have a governance process and apply expert judgment on top of the model.

Thanks, that's it for me.

Thank you. Our following question is from Tom McKinnon from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thanks very much and good morning. I think, Roy, you mentioned higher rates are positive in the surplus portfolio is benefiting from this repricing. If I look at expected earnings on surplus though at 253 in the quarter, it's down over the last five quarters. So help me understand that. And obviously your surplus portfolio must be growing, your LICAT's growing, your remittance are increasing as well. So help me understand why that earnings on surplus is falling sequentially and has fallen over the last four quarters. And how should we be thinking about earnings on surplus going forward?

Thanks. Hey, Thomas, Colin, you're right. Earnings on surplus fell 11 million quarter on quarter and actually 30 million year on year. There's two things happening here. The first is the share buyback is reducing surplus and that had a $20 million impact throughout the entire year. The second item, you'll see this in the last quarter. The line item that you referred to doesn't capture the earnings on surplus for our GWAM business. And so as part of the surplus allocation exercise that I talked to Mario about, GWAM got a little bit more surplus allocated to that. So that's reduced the line item that you're referring to. But you're right in terms of the yield going up, yields went up 2.8 to 2.9 during the quarter. But because of all the allocation and into account balance settlements, the actual surplus amount fell from 39 billion to 38 billion.

So should we thinking that this number should with increases in buybacks, that it should continue to decline going forward or just stabilize the what you lose in the buyback is offset by what you're gaining from just generally having more surplus? How should we be thinking about that going forward?

I think the first point and sorry, I didn't you did ask this in the first part of the question is Q1 is a good run rate to consider for the rest of the year. Yes, as we make money and we're returning capital through dividends and buybacks, you would expect a fairly stable surplus balance. So no great movements there. And just as a to remind you for every 50 basis points, increase in interest rates, we will see 25 million of earnings coming through this line. So those numbers are also quite modest relative to movements and interest rates.

And then a follow up with the expected investment earnings. That's flat year over year. Now, what you end up having here is you've got higher rates. So I think this is kind of net of the discount on the reserves, but still you would assume that that spread is probably if anything has picked up. How should we be thinking about that expected investment earnings line going forward? And why it's just relatively flat year over year?

Yeah, hi, Tom, it's Steve. There's a couple of things going on in this quarter. One is we do see a reduction from the Global Atlantic transaction of about 20 million in the quarter. And then as we implemented IFRS 17 last year, there were a couple of methodology and refinements, which is a bit of a headwind on that investment earnings. There is a partial offset where portion got moved actually up into the insurance service result in the short term insurance business. The Q1 of this year is a good run rate that we expect to grow as the business grows over time.

Okay,

thanks so much.

Thank you. Our following question is from Nigel De Souza from Veritas Investment Research. Please go ahead.

Thank you, good morning. I wanted to touch on your ALDA disposition this quarter. I noticed that the sale of ALDA assets mainly comprised of private equity, timberland and infrastructure. So it's not proportional to your current ALDA portfolio. And what I'm getting at here is the fact continues as you go through more ALDA dispositions. Is that gonna result in an ALDA portfolio that becomes more indexed to real estate? And does that have any implications for expected investment returns or volatility of ALDA experience going forward?

Sure Nigel, it's Scott. Thanks for the question. So yeah, we, as you point out, we've largely covered off the amount of ALDA sales we need for the global Atlantic transaction. And I'll point out we did it at values a bit above of where we had last valued those investments. And a couple of thoughts went into what parts of the portfolio to sell. One was we really did wanna lean into private equity. It is the most volatile part of the portfolio and it has grown over the years given the good performance there. So that was sort of a proactive move to reduce the size of that portfolio. As you would expect, we did not do anything in real estate given that the bid offer in that market is wider than anywhere else. And we do expect that bid offer to narrow. We have seen it start to narrow already. And we certainly would have plans to continue to rebalance the portfolio away from these transactions based on the sizes we want. And I would expect over the next couple of years, while we didn't do anything in the really short term given the kind of disruption in that market that we will rebalance the portfolio to where we want it. So I do not see real estate becoming really a bigger proportion of the Aldo portfolio going forward.

Nigel, Roy here, I just want to chime in and add a couple of thoughts. So first is that the 1.7 bill sell down of Aldo that relates to the GA reinsurance transaction reduces our Aldo by about 6%. And we have, through Scott's leadership, worked very hard to diversify our Aldo portfolio over the years. Aldo comprised of about 50% real estate, commercial real estate, some 10 years ago. And now it represents approximately 30% or slightly less than that. So actually our portfolio is actually quite diverse. And actually that's what we like. We like to see a diverse portfolio because it allows us to weather all sorts of economic environments, which I think puts us in a very strong position.

Okay, that makes sense. If I could just have some general questions about Asia, that's a strong growth driver for you. You want that, I believe, to get to Asia and wealth to get to 50% of your core earnings. So just two questions there. Could you remind us on the number of agents that's declining in Asia? What's the trend that's driving that given the growth? And then the second aspect is just more recent market volatility in regards to the Japanese yen. Are there any implications for your franchise in Japan from yen portfolio other than currency translation?

Well, thank you, Nigel, for the question. So this is Phil. I'll start with your question on agent numbers and what we've seen in the first quarter is actually stability with the fourth quarter. Year on year, you'll see a decline and that's being driven by Vietnam and mainland China. But I think what's more important than absolute agent numbers is actually the productivity of agents. And this is consistent with our strategic focus and we've been talking about this for many years, professionalism, full-time agents that are equipped with digital tools in order to be highly productive. And we see that as being consistent with the notion of helping customers identify more complex financial planning needs that they have, which we believe is good for customers, but it's also good for us in terms of the quality of business that we write and the quality of agents that we attract. So new business value per active agent is actually up by 41% year on year, despite the year on year decline in number of agents. The second thing that you asked about was Japan and the impact of the weaker yen. Now, as you may know, most of our business in Japan is foreign currency denominated business, largely US dollars, some Australian dollars as well. And what we see is as the yen declines, actually there is more interest in diversification within investment portfolios of our customers in Japan. Now we're naturally very cautious when it comes to our sales process here, but we have launched some new products in Japan over the course of the last quarter that has driven quite strong rebound in sales and value metrics as well. So I do feel optimistic about the prospects for Japan, but just a reminder, when we think about Japan, our strategy is one of value maximization. We're seeing that strategy being very successful in terms of earnings generation and value metric generation. And I expect that to continue and our medium term expectations for Japan are high single digits growth in key value metrics and core earnings.

And Nigel, while we might have some earnings currency translation, and by the way, you know, the larger part on that is the US appreciation, which is obviously a positive for us from a currency translation perspective. In each of the markets that we operate in, we typically match our asset currency with our liability currency. So we don't like to take foreign currency risk in terms of matching our liabilities with the assets that we're operating in the markets that we operate in.

Okay, that's very helpful. That's it for me. Thank you.

Thank you. Once again, please press star one at this time if you have a question. Following question is from Tom Gallagher from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Just a few questions on US life insurance. Steve, just to follow up on the SGL lapse rate question, I know you mentioned that your ultimate lapse rate assumption is below 1%. Can you be a little more specific? And the reason I ask is if it's around 90 basis points, I think that would still probably be at a level above the industry study that was conducted a few years ago. From what I understand, the average lapse rate that they were implying was about 40 to 50 basis points. And if you are on the higher end, like above the 40 to 50, would that still imply you may have an impact if there is a reset made with the actual review?

Yeah, sure, Tom, thanks. And as I'm sure you can imagine, it's not as simple as one lapse rate, which is why I refer to less than one. It varies by single survivorship, size of policy, et cetera. So there's a variety in there. In terms of our ultimate lapse rates, when I look at it, I think we're in line with what the industry's got overall. I think what we're seeing more right now is what's happening in the current environment with respect to the pandemic and how does that trend out over time?

Gotcha, see. So you'd be more in line with, we'll say that industry study that had come out and the implication there, you'd be least directionally close to that level. Is that fair to say?

That's my view,

yeah. Okay, great. And then the second question is this last quarter, we've seen kind of a number of reinsurance litigation charges for the US life insurance business. Some insurers took charges for cost of insurance litigation. Others due to arbitrations with reinsurers for rate increases. Curious if you have either one going on and if so, whether you provision for these.

Yeah, thanks, Tom. In terms of reinsurance, we've got ongoing relationships with our reinsurance partners and that's a pretty comprehensive relationship, including looking at new business, future opportunities and a variety of enforced management initiatives to drive alignment of interest on performance of the business. Over the years, part of that enforced management has at certain times resulted in rate increase requests from reinsurers. We work with them constructively on that. It's an ongoing part of managing this business. In certain situations, we dispute those right to rate increases, but look at it really as part of the ongoing relationship management. What I would tell you is that when we look at our reserves in aggregate, and that's how we manage the balance sheet, when we look at reserves in aggregate, I'm confident in saying they're overall adequate and prudent, including the ongoing management of these reinsurance relationships.

Got it, and the COI litigation?

I'll pass to Brooks on that

one. Yeah, thanks, Tom, it's Brooks Tingle. So we did undertake a COI increase on a block of UL policies in 2018, as is the case in the industry. When those events occur, litigation ensues. We have now settled all federal and state litigation regarding that, 100% of the disputes have been resolved. We made certain payments, but importantly, the increases stay in effect going forward.

Great, thanks, guys.

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