11/15/2022

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Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the NEXUS Industrial REIT third quarter 2022 results conference call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star and zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kelly Hansik, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

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Kelly Hansik

Thank you. I'd like to welcome everyone to the 2022 Third Quarter Results Conference Call for Nexus Industrial REIT. Joining me today is Robert Chason, Chief Financial Officer of the REIT. Before we begin, I'd like to caution with regard to forward-looking statements and non-GAAP measures. Certain statements made during this conference call may constitute forward-looking statements which reflect the REIT's current expectations and projections about future results. Also during this call, we will be discussing non-GAAP measures. Please refer to our MD&A and the REIT's other securities filings, which can be found at CEDAR.com, for cautions regarding forward-looking information and for information about non-GAAP measures. But it was another solid quarter in the books for the third quarter. I'm looking forward to the balance of 2022 and 2023, where we will begin to see significant rental rate growth in the portfolio, especially in our southwestern Ontario portfolio, and our development pipeline starts to ramp up. We're in the next phase of our evolution, where we will continue our repositioning with the high grading of our portfolio, creating one that is of an institutional quality. In southwestern Ontario, our London portfolio is not only realizing but also primed for significant rental rate growth. We are also awaiting permit for the construction of a 100,000 square foot addition to our building at 1285 Hubrie Road, which we hope to break ground early next year. Which was originally planned as a speculative addition now looks very promising for being pre-leased as we are just awaiting on a signature on agreed upon terms on an LOI for the space. In addition, we are currently waiting for two existing tenants approval in the Southwestern Ontario portfolio to add another approximately 65,000 square foot each of expansion space to their existing premises. As mentioned previously, the REIT has 22 acres of excess land at the Titan industrial site in Regina, Saskatchewan that was acquired in February 2022. and we have submitted a design-build package to an existing tenant in the REIT's portfolio to construct an approximately 300,000-square-foot builder suit. This looks very promising as the tenant is currently seeking approval from its parent company. If successful, we would still have 6.5 acres of developable land left at this site. These aforementioned developments would be completed at an approximate return of 8% to 10% to the REIT. As mentioned last quarter, we are under contract for three additional properties, a brand new build strong covenant distribution center just outside Ottawa to be completed in January 2023. One in London, which is a unit deal, which is in the process of having 150,000 square foot new addition being built and expected to be completed mid 2023. This is an extremely valuable site. Is there a significant additional land to continue to expand the facility as the tenant continues to grow? Thirdly, an approximately 85,000-square-foot cross-stock facility to be built in Calgary, Alberta, with one of the REIT's existing tenants, which is expected to be completed in early to mid-2024. In the current quarter, we closed on a 94,000-square-foot strong tenanted A-class industrial building in Quebec City, where we assume debt in the rate of 3.63%. We also closed on a 75,000-square-foot sale leaseback industrial facility in Montreal, with an annual rental rate increases of 3.5%. And subsequent to the quarter end, we have also closed on a small building in Cornwall, Ontario, with one of the REIT's existing tenants, which is the same tenant as the new building in Calgary, at a 7.25% rate, as we have a long-standing relationship with the tenant, and we hope to continue to build on this relationship going forward. Finally, we closed on a four-building, approximately 450,000-square-foot industrial portfolio in southwestern Ontario for approximately $39 million at a very attractive cap rate of 7% and a price per square foot well below replacement value. As you can see, we have and continue to have an active pipeline of off-market opportunities, and we'll continue to recycle capital into both developing the aforementioned sites at higher returns within our existing portfolio and newer Class A industrial opportunities with solid annual increases. We have built a strong relationship with several developers in the industry, which should continue to provide ample opportunities to the REIT in major markets going forward. In Richmond, BC, we continue with the redevelopment of the approximately 60,000 square foot building for two tenants. One of the tenants commenced her lease on September 1st with a free rent period to expire on November 30th, and the other is expected to commence very shortly. We also continue to plan for 74,000 square foot addition, which would provide significant lift to the REITs nav. We're also applying for bonus density, which is when it's approved and if it's approved, would allow for approximately 450,000 square feet of additional usable square footage. Whether we build it or not, we will decide later in our life cycle here, but it would provide huge additional value to the site. In Montreal, we continue to work with the developer on the sale of the excess land at Les Halles d'Anjou. He's still working along with approvals from the city, but we anticipate closing of the transaction in February of 2023, which would allow us to realize our first payment from the developer. We continue the process of reallocating and high grading our portfolio by selling some of its office retail and non-core industrial buildings and reinvesting the proceeds to acquire high quality industrial buildings creating an institutional quality portfolio. On August 3rd, we sold a retail property tended by Rona at 41 St. Jean Baptiste Boulevard in Chateau Gay for $8.3 million. On October 4th, the reclose on the sale of a retail property at 1185 Chemin de Tremblay in Longueuil for $11.85 million. And we're also under contract right now to sell a property portfolio of smaller industrial properties in saskatchewan and we are currently have an executed loi for our grocery anchored retail property in victoria ville quebec quebec our three building office portfolio will be relaunched when it is anticipated that interest rates stabilize and the acquisition market for suburban office begins to open up we'll continue to look for other non-core industrial and slowly phase out of those and redeploy that capital into Class A facilities in the, probably mostly in Montreal area in Ontario. Post sale of our Victoriaville property and post closing of our Ottawa acquisition, the REITs holdings will increase to approximately 90% of NOI derived from the industrial sector. So it's moving along quite quickly. I'll now hand it over to Rob Chaisson to give greater detail of the REIT's financials.

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Robert Chason

Thanks, Kelly. As Kelly mentioned, Q3 was a solid quarter for the REIT in line with our expectations. We completed $40.5 million of acquisitions in the third quarter and a $39 million acquisition subsequent to quarter end. The weighted average cap rate on this $80 million of acquisitions is 6.2%. We assume $9.5 million of debt at 3.63% on these transactions. with a balanced finance through new debt. The impact of our acquisitions combined with positive same-store NOIs saw our AFFO payout ratio decrease from 90.3% for Q2 to 88.9% for Q3. Q3 per unit measures were once again impacted by foreign exchange losses of 0.6 cents per unit. Absent the impact of the $460,000 unrealized foreign exchange loss in the quarter, the payout ratio would have been 86.1%. We increased our credit facility by $100 million in the quarter with the increase secured against 10 previously unencumbered properties. On the investment property valuation front, we applied some cap rate expansion or evaluation of the retail and office assets. We also applied some cap rate expansion in our valuation of some of our industrial assets. However, that was more than offset by increases to stabilized NOI. The recently announced summit transaction implies that there is significant value in Ontario and Montreal industrial assets in particular. For the remainder of 2022, we have approximately $5 million of mortgage at a weighted average 3.55% interest rate that will mature. And in 2023, we'll have approximately $50 million of mortgages with a weighted average interest rate of 4.35% that will mature. The bulk of the REITs in place mortgages mature 2026 on, and we're not significantly exposed to renewal rates. I'll now turn the call back to Kelly.

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Kelly Hansik

Thanks, Rob. We'll open up the call to any questions that you have.

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Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two.

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spk00

We will pause for a moment as callers join the queue. The first question comes from Brad Sturges with Raymond James.

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Operator

Please go ahead.

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Robert Chason

Hi, guys.

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Kelly Hansik

Brad?

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Robert Chason

Just starting on the development pipeline and discussion that you have there, Obviously, you just identified a few projects that you're advancing on. Would all those projects that you just highlighted, would those all potentially break ground next year?

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Kelly Hansik

I would say that definitely the 100,000 square feet would break ground next year. If we're successful in the 300,000 in Regina, that would break ground next year. for sure. We have plans getting ready to go. It literally is just one of our tenants was purchased by a company in Britain. They have to go for approval to their parent on that one. So we're kind of hopeful for that one. And then the other two, I believe that one of the tenants is awaiting on a contract. And if they get it, that will break ground relatively quickly as soon as permits are in hand. And then the other one, that one, they're making a decision in January. So most of them I would say would break ground next year.

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Robert Chason

And then I think in the summer you bought a couple of development sites with RFA in Hamilton. Are those scheduled for construction next year as well? One of them is, I guess the first one that we have a 20% interest in is probably further out. That one's not serviced yet. But the other two are probably, yeah, start next year or the year after. Okay. So how much potentially could you seek to develop next year, I guess, if everything kind of hits? And then do you have a rough budget of what that might cost?

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Kelly Hansik

Yeah. So the ones I mentioned, I think we've got pricing somewhere between $120 and $130 a foot. Okay.

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Robert Chason

that what equated to what three four call it 500 and 500 and change uh square foot okay and the two uh just remind me that the hamilton sites uh that are closer to breaking ground how much would that be um so next year i don't anticipate there'll be significant cash required for those um because we have btbs and other financing in place and we'll have construction financing yeah

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Kelly Hansik

Yeah, I'm not the Hamilton one that I would think, if anything, they would be either late next year or probably 2024. Okay.

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Robert Chason

Maybe just thinking more generally about development and how you're thinking about pursuing specific projects, is there certain kind of criteria or aspects you're looking for to pursue a project? Is it related to being approached by a tenant and their specific needs or return profile capital requirements. Is there a couple of factors that you really focused on in terms of what makes a project worthwhile pursuing?

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Kelly Hansik

Really, it's our return. But we're looking at developing the land that we have now. The Regina, we had 22 acres. So that was a no-brainer to go forward and try to find a tenant which we found within our existing portfolio so we approached them they love the site and it works for them so let's see if they get approval um but again we're looking at a little bit outside returns here we can get you know the one in london and the other two we've kind of already looking at around a 10 return um on those so we're we're just striving for that probably more like 8.5% to 10%. And if we're really lucky, 11%. So really, that's what we're looking at. And we were just lucky in the Windsor. One is in Windsor. That site has the ability to expand on. The other one is St. Thomas, Ontario, which has pretty good land to expand on. And then the London, we have an abundance of land. And we're looking at the London portfolio in particular because we do have... in the overall portfolio, quite a bit of land. So we're kind of looking at it and saying, well, what's next after the 100? So we'll go from there. But, yeah, we're looking from a return base.

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Robert Chason

Okay. Just on the Richmond there, one tenant commenced their occupancy and had a free rent period. Would the second tenant also have a free rent period, or when would you expect?

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Kelly Hansik

I'm hoping it's December 1st.

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Robert Chason

um and it doesn't have a free rent period okay so you could see some contribution in q4 yeah okay and uh i i guess you're going through the permitting process for the um the next phase you know where would that stack up in terms of priority and where would you be in that sort of process well we we've submitted it's also for the bonus density so it'll probably take

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Kelly Hansik

maybe a little bit longer to get that through because the bonus density is very valuable and that's a little trickier to get. But I think the Richmond elections have some new people in council and they're pretty keen on the project as a whole. So I'm fairly positive that we're going to get it, but we will soon see. Okay. Brad, add a little.

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Robert Chason

To my response earlier, we're looking at about $17.5 million of capital towards the end of 2021 of the RFA development project, and then the other small amount, I guess, in April, roughly $4 million. Okay. That's helpful. I'll turn it back. Thanks a lot. Thank you.

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Operator

The next question comes from Kyle Stanley with Desjardins. Please go ahead.

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Kyle Stanley

Thanks. Hi guys. I'm just looking at the, uh, the dispositions, um, you know, I'm just wondering what kind of pricing you expect, uh, you know, specifically you mentioned Victoriaville and the portfolio in Saskatchewan, just say an overall kind of high level price that you might get for that.

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Kelly Hansik

Yeah. So, um, Victoriaville will be right around our book value and, um, the Saskatchewan portfolio, uh, pretty much as bang on or slightly above our book value as well that we're currently carrying yet. So fairly strong pricing on both of them.

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Kyle Stanley

And then maybe in the press release, there's commentary about leases that commence in the third quarter at $1.35 per square foot spread over the expiring and in the fourth quarter $2.50. Could you provide either what the expiring rate was before or what the percentage increase was? I could, if you give me a minute, we can come back to that one. Okay, no problem. I guess just look, you mentioned it, actually, I'm going to ask Rob this question, so I may stop you from looking, but as you look to refine the $50 million of mortgage debt maturing next year, I'm just wondering, I guess, what the cadence of the maturities are, if they're kind of front-end loaded, back-end loaded in the year, and then where you're seeing the potential rate on that currently.

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Robert Chason

Yeah, so I'd say... 30 million of it is towards the end of April. And so that's the bulk of it. And so we're going to see, I mean, we have the weighted average that was in the MD&A and that I talked to. Right now, we'd probably be looking at if we put five-year mortgage financing on probably below fives, low 5% range. We're developing an overall debt strategy right now looking at, we've drawn some funds on the credit facility that are in variable rate form, VA plus. And so we're taking a look and seeing whether it makes sense at this point to either swap or to enter into five-year vanilla mortgages. But yeah, we'd expect refinancing if doing five-year mortgage probably in and around the low fives based on today's rates. And I think the bond yields factor in some more increases to the overnight rate. But my crystal ball is a little bit murky in terms of where interest rates are going.

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Kyle Stanley

Fair enough. I think that makes sense. Just looking at acquisitions, I mean, you had some commentary in your prepared remarks. But I guess just how are you thinking about acquisitions going forward, still seeing a deep pipeline? I'm curious on that. where you're willing to take leverage to, to get anything done. And then Kelly, in your comments, you said, uh, focusing more on Montreal and Ontario, does that, you know, do we take from that, that, uh, maybe it'll be less active in Western Canada going forward?

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Kelly Hansik

Yes. Um, I think at the end of the day, where we're evolving to right now, um, is major market Montreal, Ontario. Um, and I think you'll see over the next little while, continue, um, That transition, I think, will slow down on the Western front. We have a lot of opportunity here through relationships we've built, so off-market opportunities, which is good, are still our London family as well, have some nice assets to roll in when the time is right there, and those would be a unit deal. So we're going to continue to recycle that capital. We'll look at identifying some other ones towards the end of this year to kind of launch maybe January, February, that will allow us, because a lot of things that we have closing come later in the year, next year. So we're staggered throughout the year in our future PSAs. So we'll just continue to recycle that capital, take it out of smaller sites, and still continue with some of the retail uh, retail and office if we can. And we'll just keep continuing to recycle that back into the, I call them a class newer, um, newer assets where we would see, um, deals with pretty significant rental rate increases, you know, where we're in the four to 5% per year on, on new deals. So, um, where I'd take leverage to, it's going to depend on our sales program as well. So I'm, I'm trying to balance, um, the purchases with sales at the same time, I guess.

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Robert Chason

I'll just come back to your earlier question. So on the Q3 renewals, we started out at about $425 a foot. And the reason that number is low is we have Stryker Medical in there who was in at a fairly low rate. And our lift in the first year, our going in lift, is not as high as our ultimate lift will be. I think we're gradually increasing the rents for the replacement tenant at that location. And Kelly's built in some good steps. So that's the reason the starting rate's a little bit lower there is because we're easing the tenant into market rents. And we've got 745 is roughly the starting rent for the Q4 expiries that we've renewed. Okay, great. Thanks for the caller. I will turn it back.

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Kyle Stanley

Thank you.

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Operator

The next question comes from Mark Rothschild with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

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Mark Rothschild

Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. Kelly, when you spoke about the 8% to 10% return on projects, I guess I assume you meant unlevered, but can you comment on how that will work with new development projects such as in Regina? It wasn't clear to me. I didn't think you were talking about those projects as well, but maybe just expand on what your target range would be.

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Kelly Hansik

Yeah, it's pretty simple. We're looking at, you know, what is our spend? So if it's $130 a foot on a 100,000 square foot addition, we'll get $13 a foot in rent. You know, that's how we look at when we're looking at that return. And that's kind of the deals that we're doing down in London right now. So hopefully those come to fruition. Now, Regina, we're pricing out for the tenant right now. might be slightly under 10, but I'm thinking that's between an 8 and 10% return straight on our cash out.

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Mark Rothschild

Okay, great. And maybe this is connected. When you look at acquisitions, it seems like the replacement cost is going up quite a bit, but properties aren't necessarily trading at replacement costs. How do you look at that? And In the short term, does replacement cost matter when you're looking at new exhibitions in a market where the rent is going to be stable and growing?

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Kelly Hansik

I'd say it depends, right? It depends on the asset. It depends on everything. We're a little bit shifting, I guess, shifting gears here, and I do call it the evolution of the company. We have Summit that's been taken out, and it sort of leaves us as the only industrial option. And what we're trying to do is build an institutional-grade portfolio going forward. We have, I think, succeeded in doing that in what we've recently purchased. And at the end of the day, it depends on what area you're in. Like in Windsor that we bought the four assets, it's well below replacement cost. Newer product that we'll roll in. It's a new product that would be, you know, it's brand new. You're trading it, getting it at replacement cost. So at the end of the day, it's a mixture of both that we're looking at. And we'll continue to get Class A industrial brand new product. We have fairly strong relationships that we can take that down pretty easily. We also have strong relationships in London and other places that, well, not brand new, but pretty new stuff. We're getting new relationships every day with guys interested in possible unit deals. So I think where we're going right now is it's either, it's again, under market rents that we see value and lift in. for relatively higher increases on a year-over-year basis, where it might be at market or slightly below market, but they've negotiated 4% to 5% a year rental rate increases or CPI. So that's kind of the mantra going forward right now.

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Mark Rothschild

Okay, great. Thanks. That's helpful. Thanks. Thank you.

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Operator

And the next question comes from Matt Cornack with National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

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Matt Cornack

Just quickly with regards to the forward purchase assets, can you give us an update as to where those are in the construction process and when you'd be likely acquiring them? Has anything changed there?

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Kelly Hansik

Yeah, so I believe the Ottawa site is due January or February, actually March. So that one's March. And then The one in Calgary, I believe, they haven't broken ground yet. That will probably be, they're anticipating end of next year. I think it's going to be more like May of the following year. And then the London deal where it's a unit deal, that should be in the summer, and I'm contemplating around June for that one.

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Matt Cornack

Okay. So in terms of near-term commitments, It's really the Ottawa asset. And what is the dollar value for that one in particular, if you can provide it? I don't know if that's possible.

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Kelly Hansik

I just have to look it up here. Yeah, it's around $115 million. Okay.

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Matt Cornack

In terms of financing that on completion, I assume you'd get secured financing for a portion of it, but do you need asset sales to fund the balance or is this new credit facility availability that you have enough to bridge that equity component?

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Robert Chason

Yeah, I mean, I think between the credit facility, the undrawn amount there, and we've got some unencumbered assets, you know, the $40 million acquisition that we just completed is unencumbered. And we've got other assets, a couple of other assets that are unencumbered. We have the funds to finance the purchase of the Castleman property and probably about $300 million or so of acquisitions.

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Matt Cornack

Okay, perfect. That's good to know. And then London, the full equity component is going to be units. Is that fair to assume?

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Kelly Hansik

Yeah, we would assume the existing debt. And we would, I think that was a deal struck before, I believe. I'm trying to remember the actual balance between, but it's all units and existing debt on that one.

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Matt Cornack

Okay, perfect. Just with regards to the acquisition in Tilbury and Windsor, would they, I mean, I guess if you impute rent, it's something like a $6 a square foot rent to get to a seven cap. Is that market, I'm not as familiar with that market, or is there some potential capture on upside as well?

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Kelly Hansik

Well, it's a longer term lease. But it's well below market. Market in Windsor is about $9.50 a foot. And you're bang on right around the rent, the existing rent.

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Matt Cornack

Okay. So longer term as in 10 years or?

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Kelly Hansik

I'm just trying to remember. It might be, give me two seconds. I'll tell you.

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spk00

Just trying to find it here in front of me. It is.

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Kelly Hansik

2031, it expires.

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Matt Cornack

Okay, perfect. You've been very active. The same property portfolio isn't really indicative of actual portfolio trajectory, but can you give some sense? I can't remember what your policy is in terms of inclusion in the same property portfolio. Does it have to be in for the full year to date? But maybe if you could give a sense as to what's not in the same property portfolio, the trajectory of that relative to kind of the same property portfolio.

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Robert Chason

Yeah, so in order to include something in the same property, it's in the full quarter for both Q3 2022 and Q3 2021. And then in terms of trajectory, I mean, I think Kelly mentioned we have I think we mentioned in the press release that we have quite a number of square feet that's coming up for renewal where we expect a pretty good lift in rental rates. I'd expect same-store NOI to continue to increase upward trajectory for sure.

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Matt Cornack

That makes sense. Last one for me, just quickly. The lease maturity profile that you show, there's not much that matures in the balance of 2022, but that doesn't necessarily show what you may have signed in prior quarters. Is that essentially what I'm saying? Is that a net number? Correct. Do you have a sense as to how much actually matures and at what rent spread it's maturing in Q4 itself?

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Robert Chason

I do, but I don't have it. I have it in a couple of different files that I need to add together. I think we had, what did we, we said about 17,000 square feet, um, was what hasn't been renewed yet. And, uh, I'd have to get back to you on the other number there.

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Matt Cornack

I guess we could, we could take a typical kind of proration of, of normal and apply kind of a pretty good spread using the numbers that you maybe, uh, you disclosed last quarter in terms of relative weighting. Um, Anyway, it's okay. We'll figure something out, but it sounds good.

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Robert Chason

Thanks, guys. Thanks.

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Operator

The next question comes from Gaurav Mathur with IA Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Gaurav Mathur

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Just quickly on renewals, and you're just beating the recession drum here. Are tenants continuing to have renewal conversations earlier than usual, or is that changing in any manner?

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Kelly Hansik

I think it depends on the market you're in. So in London, we're pretty on top of things, and we're well into discussions. I'd say out west, it's a little slower happening out there right now. Montreal, again, pretty quick. So in Montreal, I'd say Montreal and Ontario, you're having them now well in advance of the year. I know in Montreal, a couple of our sites, we've done renewals, completed a few renewals where the tenant doesn't even need to renew until end of next year in early 2024. So again, I think it depends on the market.

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Gaurav Mathur

Okay. Okay, great. And just on the acquisition front for industrial properties in your targeted markets, can you talk about how the stabilized yields have moved when you're comparing it to the beginning of the year?

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Kelly Hansik

Yeah, it's going to depend, right? So it depends on the asset. So if you're sitting on an asset with a 1% a year increase, that has been affected probably, I'd say, by about maybe 50 beeps. But if you have newer assets that have 4% to 5%, which is the norm, or CPI in there, you're still seriously high in demand. So I don't think that cap rate has moved at all. So it really depends on your rental stream.

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Gaurav Mathur

Okay, perfect. And just lastly, we noticed the uptick in leverage this quarter. Is there a range that we should think about going forward?

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Robert Chason

We'll continue to add debt as we acquire. We will see ourselves pushing 50%.

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Kelly Hansik

Like I said, it's going to depend on the success of moving some of the older stock and the remainder of the office and some of the other things that we are trying to move. Again, it's just that repurposing of the capital.

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Gaurav Mathur

Right. Okay. Well, thank you for the call, Kelly and Rob. I'll turn it back to the operator. Perfect. Thank you.

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Operator

Once again, if you have a question, please press star, then one. The next question comes from Jimmy Shan with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Jimmy Shan

Thanks. Hey, Kelly. I just wondered if... If you could just talk in general what you're seeing in the acquisition market, just as a follow-up in terms of depth of bids, appetite. We just heard from a call earlier that core industrial are not clearing at prices that were trading earlier in the year or last year. I kind of wonder what you are seeing.

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Kelly Hansik

Yeah, I'd say definitely in Montreal and Toronto, like I said, and it really does depend on the rent spreads. And it depends on what increases you've negotiated in your leases. So those haven't moved hardly at all. But other assets that may have like 1% increase or no increase or every five years, those definitely have been affected. So I've seen portfolios where they haven't traded. I've seen portfolios where I was surprised at the price that they got because I thought it was overpriced. I think it's just like market by market and it's almost building by building. You can't just look at one trade and say, well, here's the new norm. It really is what's the lift in the portfolio and what are the embedded rental rate increases. That's really determining the sale price right now.

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Jimmy Shan

And the evolution you speak of in terms of moving to more institutional quality portfolio, does that Would that take you to the GTA or other major markets? Is that the plan?

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Kelly Hansik

Yes. Yes. So we will. You will see us over time continue. Ontario and GTA is pretty wide, pretty wide range. But southwestern Ontario is still a big one for us. Montreal, we're seeming to get pretty good traction in right now. So... we're going to start over time to rotate out of some of our older assets in Alberta and rotate back and into Ontario and Montreal. And we really have developed some pretty good relationships that I think we can do quite well over here.

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spk00

Okay. Great. Thanks. All right.

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Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Kelly Hanzik for any closing remarks.

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Kelly Hansik

All right. Thanks, everyone, for joining, and we will see you next quarter.

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Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.

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