DMG Blockchain Solutions Inc.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Good afternoon and welcome to the DMG Blockchain Solutions Q3 2025 Update Conference Call. Participants of this call are advised that the audio of this conference call is being broadcast live over the internet and is also being recorded for playback purposes. A webcast replay of the call will be available on the company's website. Joining us today from DMG Blockchain Solutions is Sheldon Bennett, the company's Chief Executive Officer, and Stephen Eliscu, Chief Operating Officer. During this call, management will be making forward-looking statements, including statements that address DMG Blockchain Solutions' expectations for future performance or operational results. Forward-looking statements involve risks and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially, from those statements. For more information about these risks, please refer to the risk factors described in DMG Blockchain Solutions' most recently filed periodic reports and the company's recent press releases. particularly the cautionary statements within. The content of this call contains time-sensitive information that is accurate and only as of today, August 25th, 2025. Except as required by law, DMG Blockchain Solutions disclaims any obligation to publicly update or revise any information to reflect events or circumstances that occur after this call. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Sheldon and Stephen. Sheldon?

Thank you, Chantelle. Good afternoon, and thanks to everyone who has joined the call today. My name is Sheldon Bennett, and I am the CEO and founder of DMG Blockchain Solutions. With a similar format as recent quarters, first I will provide an overview of the company's achievements in the past quarter. I will then pass the call to Stephen, who will review the company's performance. We will end the call with our Q&A session based on questions submitted to us prior to the call, as well as those using Zoom chat. So now on to our highlights of recent achievements. First, our core plus, our software and services strategy. For systemic, our progress for onboarding clients and achieving our revenue target has been slower than we earlier anticipated. While we are unlikely to realize significant revenue this calendar year, we are optimistic about the long-term opportunity of the business. Building a world-class custody platform and acquiring customers in a competitive market is hard, but we also feel we offer competitive advantage with a focus on Canada where clients are seeking to mitigate geopolitical risk, competitive pricing, and white-glove service that far larger U.S. firms are simply not able to provide. Accordingly, we believe we can achieve scale over the next 12 months that would begin to result in material revenue. With respect to systemic trust go-to-market, we are adopting a more tiered strategy of onboarding smaller customers such as family offices and smaller funds. We do not feel that we are being gated by any of the compliance hurdles that we need to achieve given our more realistic view of the sales cycle. For systemic trust platform expansion, we are working closely with our regulators so that we can offer yield generating and other value-added services. We will provide additional information as we proceed through the balance of the year regarding timing and specifics of what we will offer. We are also exploring the regulatory requirements and capital required to expand services to the U.S., To offer settlement services, we continue to focus on partnering with crypto trading platforms, including Bosonic, with which, specifically, we are also aiming to realize value from our investment. For TerraPool, we continue to evaluate the best way to enable our carbon-neutral Bitcoin ecosystem. The market wants decentralization of the Bitcoin network, and as it has been well-documented in the media, the network is dominated by a few large pools. which even with benevolent intentions could become an increasing overhang for growth in the value of Bitcoin. Our focus remains to work with a limited number of larger mining entities looking to leverage the portion of their energy mix that is carbon neutral and provide them the opportunity to increase their revenue. Our immediate goal is to demonstrate this opportunity for increased revenue on TerraPool. In addition, we know the value proposition of TerraPool becomes even greater when we can offer a suite of complementary products, including Helm, Reactor, and Explorer, along with our custody offering. Now for a few words on each. First, Helm, DMG's data center infrastructure management software, continues to be enhanced to be best-in-class software for maximizing the profitability of Bitcoin mining. Helm is being used in-house, and we are working with beta customers to deploy Helm at their facilities, including our hosting partner. With announcements by Foundry and Block, including general facility management tools with their offerings, and even Block announcing its code will be open-sourced, we believe the days of proprietary and high-priced legacy platforms are coming to an end. We are embracing this trend and see Helm, which is already utilizing open-source code, to do even more such in the future. Our goal remains to be best in class and a key value add for being on TerraPool. Second, Reactor, which is our proprietary software for assuring the delivery of hash rate over the term of a hash rate contract and gives TerraPool clients the option to sell hash rate and be paid up front for delivering hash rate over the term of a contract. We are currently testing Reactor along with providing additional functionality by its underlying software layer called MineApp. We will discuss some more about this in the coming months. Our near-term goal is to demonstrate the operation of Reactor by selling a relatively small portion of DMG's hash rate and multiple hash rate contracts. We plan to integrate Reactor along with TerraPool and Helm into a single seamless environment. Finally, we released Bloxy Explorer last month to offer the Bitcoin community a tool for miners and others engaged with Bitcoin. The next step for Explorer is to expand its analytics capabilities. In summary, we now have the critical mass of products to be able to realize our vision of monetizing a carbon-neutral Bitcoin ecosystem. Our focus now is customer acquisition and feature enhancements. Regarding our core data center infrastructure, first, for AI, regarding the two megawatts of prefabricated data center infrastructure we purchased, from the same party we announced the MOU to acquire 10 megawatts of infrastructure, we have an indication of interest from a potential client for purchasing and or facilitating this asset to be located in Canada. As we have nothing definitive at this point, we cannot claim this as a deal, but we are encouraged by the progress we continue to make. With respect to the Canadian defense sector, this remains a focus area. We are aware of specific requirements for which we are having discussions. We believe that with our execution partners, which we have yet to announce, we are well positioned to address Canada's military needs. I personally met with Secretary of State, Stéphane Vieure, who was responsible for defence procurement about two weeks ago at the Abbotsford International Airshow, and was very encouraged by our discussion. We plan to have additional ministerial-level discussions in the coming weeks. Last October, we signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Malahat Nation to build up 30 megawatts of AI compute capacity split between our parties. We are now focused on executing agreements with the Malahat as well as more actively pursuing the financing of smaller projects ahead of a potentially much larger AI data center project financing. Next, for Bitcoin mining, with our Hydra miners fully energized during the quarter, we realized 1.8 exahash with a fleet efficiency of 22.6 joules. At the very beginning of May, we reached our short-term hash rate goal of 2.1 exahash. As disclosed in our recent press release, we have been operating below that number based on the summer heat and suboptimal operations of our air-cooled fleet, even as our hydro miners achieved 0.4x hash in the latter part of July and have maintained a steady hash rate since, even with the hottest temperatures near 100 degrees Fahrenheit or for Canadians around 40 degrees Celsius. Regarding Bitcoin mining site expansion, we remain focused on lowering our cost of energy, which includes expanding the use of non-firm energy in Christina Lake and finding new sites with low-cost energy. We reached an agreement with the party we announced in May 2023, which could realize for us an additional exahash later next calendar year. We continue to evaluate locating Bitcoin mining at other locations in Canada and the U.S. Regarding our three exahash goal by the end of this calendar year, we are looking to achieve this goal with non-dilutive financing. One of our options to achieve this goal is by converting a porch number Christina Lake building facility to hydro mining. As a reminder, this building already contains all the power distribution and racking to energize up to 36 megawatts of capacity, which facilitated with modern miners could generate about two and a half exahash. For equipment financing options, we are considering our existing debt facility or other debt options that would still allow us to realize our ROI targets. For DMG's digital asset treasury, our DAT, we are still evaluating the best options to proceed. As we announced, we have brought in consultants to evaluate how we can support the market's need for custody services for digital asset funds and treasuries. Our objective is to set policy that will apply evenly through the next crypto winter. Technical analysis analysts would point to past Bitcoin cycles, which would suggest that Bitcoin pricing peaks this November and subsequently declines in excess of 70% in the subsequent downturn. While we have no way to forecast where Bitcoin pricing actually goes, or if this cycle is different because of secular drivers, as many pundits are saying, our objective will be to set an example for the industry of how that are managed. Now for a summary of our strategy. First, DMD's core plus software and services. For systemic trust, we are refining our go-to-market strategy while bolstering our operational capabilities to ensure we can smoothly onboard successively larger clients and ramp revenue. We have deferred our expectations for material revenues until next calendar year, but we remain committed to our platform as we believe we can provide a differentiated world-class offering that fulfills real market needs. Regarding our larger carbon-neutral Bitcoin ecosystem, we have the pieces in place to execute on our strategy, even as our focus is first to ensure the success of systemic trust, we remain committed to the rest of the platform. We are proud of having relaunched the world's best freely available blockchain, Explore Blocks here, which is a great example of how our small developer team leveraged the latest tools built and built to the best of breed product in minimal time. For DMG's core data center infrastructure, over the past quarter, we are nearing our goal to be a provider of AI data center co-location and compute services focused on the Canadian defense sector. We are encouraged by the progress we have made as we have navigated the defense-related agencies within the government of Canada, having established relationships with key influencers and decision makers. Additionally, we have bolstered our relationship with market-leading execution partners that can help us capitalize on what may develop into large opportunities over the coming years. Even with a big portion of our attention on AI, Bitcoin mining remains foundational to our core strategy, and hence, we are still focused on how to grow to 3x a half by the end of the calendar year and to do this in a non-dilutive way. Now, I'll hand it over to Stephen to review the company's performance.

Thank you, Sheldon. I'm Steve Illescue, DMG COO. First, a few words about the company's overall position. In the June quarter, our cash short-term investments plus Bitcoin balance was $61.8 million, about flat sequentially and up 56% year-over-year. We're utilizing about two-thirds of our Bitcoin balance as collateral for our Cigna Bank loan facility. Note that our Signum loan balance was $12.7 million in the June quarter versus $20 million the prior quarter and dropped to below $10 million in the current quarter as we disclosed in a recent press release. We believe this provides us a more optimal capital structure with lower debt servicing needs. Having adjusted our capital base, we're now in the valuation phase of implementing a digital asset treasury strategy that we can have in place for the long run. For our mining operations, our average hash rate for the quarter was below expectations as we dealt with hydro infrastructure contamination caused by manufacturer quality control issues, as well as seasonal heat-related issues for our air-cooled miners. We have largely overcome our hydro contamination, although we continue to monitor the equipment. As we have been consistently operating at 0.4 exahash, and the few miners that have failed have largely been repaired and will be put back in service in the very near future. Finally, as Sheldon detailed in his update on AI, we are encouraged by our progress, especially given indications of interest to buy our infrastructure and or services. However, we caution that government agencies move slowly, and we're new to the procurement process. But we continue to push avenues via partnerships and political angles to help us navigate the bureaucracy. Now to review our financial results. In our June quarter, our revenue decreased 8% to $11.6 million and $12.6 million the prior quarter. Mainly, a self-mining revenue decreased a similar percentage on 8% lower network Bitcoin per exahash generation. From the year-ago quarter, revenue increased 40% from $8.3 million. We received 84 Bitcoin from mining down from 91 Bitcoin the prior quarter, as our 2% hash rate increase was more than offset by the decrease in the network's Bitcoin per exahash generation. Our hosting revenue decreased 22% sequentially to 0.1 million in our June quarter. We expect hosting revenue to decline to near zero this calendar year as our existing customers retire their fleets and we utilize our capacity for self-mining. Operating and maintenance costs decreased 14%, 6.5 million from the prior quarter, mainly on lower seasonal energy rates. Note that our nonfirm power is subject to self-curtailment, and we had no curtailment events in the June quarter. Also note that the 15 megawatts of firm power we may have may ultimately support our AI venture with the Malahat, and we're working with our utility to secure additional firm power for future AI growth. Our margin percentage on our revenue-less operating and maintenance costs was 44% in the June quarter, up from 40% the prior quarter, mainly on lower energy rates. Consequently, our energy costs to mine a Bitcoin was down to about 51K U.S., even as network difficulty rose 10% from the prior quarter. As we will likely continue to utilize non-firm power for much of our energy mix going forward, we will experience more volatility in our mining costs than we've had historically. As a proxy for cash flow from our business, which assumes we're selling 100% of our Bitcoin generated, our earnings before other items, excluding depreciation, amortization, and stock-based comp, was 2.7 million, or 23% on a percentage basis in the June quarter, an increase from 2.5 million and 20% in the prior quarter, again due in large part to lower energy rates. Our cash flow from operations was $18 million in the June quarter, as we sold $15 million more of Bitcoin than we earned. Our cash balance increased to $2 million on our cash generation, which also funded our capital additions and pay down of debt. As we have already reported in a recent press release, our Bitcoin balance declined in July to an unaudited amount of 307 Bitcoin. Investors should expect our Bitcoin balance for the remainder of the quarter to rise from this level, as we believe we have achieved a more optimal capital structure, and we do not expect to pay down our debt further in the near term. Non-mine expenses, excluding depreciation, amortization, and stock-based comp, were $2.4 million in the June quarter, down 5% from the prior quarter of $2.5 million. We continue to expect non-mine expenses to rise only modestly this year. We have added headcount to support program execution, especially given what we need to accomplish on AI, as well as business development for our software initiatives and operations. For at least the near term, these are targeted hires helping us to ensure operational and sales execution. Depreciation expense of $4.5 million in the June quarter increased 5% from the prior quarter, as all of our S21 plus hydro miners are now fully in service. As a percentage of revenue, our depreciation expense was 39%, up from the prior quarter of 34%, but still among the lowest in the industry. We continue to look towards future miner capex, to be in the million dollars per megawatt range, while we underclock our legacy miners to extend their useful life. Our earnings before other items was minus $2.5 million in the June quarter, similar to the minus $2.6 million the prior quarter. Our net income was minus $0.4 million, or zero cents per share versus minus $3.3 million and minus two cents per share the prior quarter. Note that also our comprehensive income, which combines our P&L with the unrealized Bitcoin valuation gains on our balance sheet, was $9.7 million for the quarter and is $11.7 million fiscal year to date. Regarding our balance sheet, our cash short-term investments plus Bitcoin holdings was $61.8 million, about flat from the prior quarter and an increase of 56% from the prior year. With the reduction in debt, working capital increased 16% to $47.5 million from the prior quarter and is up 91% from the prior year-ago quarter. The value of our property and equipment and long-term deposits increased 7% to $59.6 million from the prior quarter as depreciation was exceeded by our capital additions, namely the two megawatts of data center infrastructure. Accordingly, our total asset base increased 3% to $133.6 million from the prior quarter and increased by 20% the prior year. In the June quarter, we sold 201 Bitcoins, generating $26.4 million of cash. Thus, we sold 239% of the Bitcoin amount mined, versus the prior quarter selling 42% of the Bitcoin mined. It is possible that with our Bitcoin sales this quarter, DMG will sell more than 100% of its mined Bitcoin in fiscal 2025. In the past, we have stated that as a treasury policy, investors should continue to expect us to sell most or all of the Bitcoin we mine, and that our Bitcoin holding should decline as a percentage of our total asset base over time. We are updating this policy to state that we are considering setting aside a dedicated digital asset treasury as part of a long-term holding to to which we accumulate digital assets initially with Bitcoin only. While we would not intend to liquidate that treasury, we may want to periodically rebalance it with cryptocurrencies other than Bitcoin. Regarding raising new capital, As for a future where AI could be a major component of our business, our capital raising would most likely be dead instruments tied to offtake and co-location contracts. For Bitcoin mining expansion, we're most likely to continue to utilize Bitcoin-backed loans and other forms of debt financing. Note that as we look to our next phase of expansion towards 3x a hash, we believe we can source near-leading-edge 13 to 16 joule per terahash equipment later this year that should cost in the $1 million per megawatt range in U.S. currency. I will now hand the call back to Sheldon to summarize her prepared comments, and we will both answer questions. Sheldon?

Thank you, Stephen. First, to reiterate our key results and outlook, we are positioning DMG to expand into AI in a meaningful way, as we have established relationships with the Minister's Office related to defense procurement in Canada and have cemented execution partner relationships. We are committed to systemic trust and believe it has ample opportunity to build a strong base of business with material revenues in the next 12 months. We now have key products to build out our carbon neutral Bitcoin ecosystem. We are focused this year on building partnerships and acquiring clients. Dean G received 84 Bitcoin for mining in the June quarter on a hash rate of 0.8 exahash and fleet efficiency of 22.6 jewels. Our hash rate goal is to grow to 3x a hash this calendar year, but to do so only in a non-dilutive way. Cash, short-term investments, and digital currency at quarter end were $62 million, with total assets of $134 million. On a net income basis, we were near break-even in the June quarter, In addition to maximizing the cash generation of our Bitcoin money operation, we are focused on realizing revenue from our AI and Core Plus software and services initiatives that can help return us to profitability and drive shareholder value. In summary, we have continued to make material progress this past quarter. In AI, we are working with key decision makers who have the ability to award us with AI infrastructure contracts. We've now completed the platform for which we can generate revenue from systemic trust and tariff pool. We have gained significant experience in hydro mining, which will allow us to remain competitive and grow as a Bitcoin miner, all while maintaining a very lean operating structure. We continue to make real progress, and we are highly focused on our initiatives that can significantly grow our revenue and cash generation. We appreciate your continued support. Now on to our Q&A. As with previous quarters, we have a selection of questions that have come in. I normally split them up a little bit between Stephen and I, depending on the content. And somebody will help us read some of the questions that may be coming in now. First question, what's your progress in talking to people in the Canadian defense sector? How long will it take to get a contract? So, as everybody knows, government cycles can be long and painful. That's no exception to the Canadian defense sector or the Canadian government. However, as we know, the Canadian government does have a sense of urgency, as it's not only trying to meet its NATO commitments, but is also directly spending in AI infrastructure, which Canada sees as woefully behind relative to the United States. We obviously wish this would move quickly. We are encouraged by the amount of meetings we're getting, the people we're getting access to, the content of our meetings that we're having, and we believe that this is all very positive. and we're in the right market at the right time. We also have a lot of friends, both, you know, champions within government who are helping us navigate bureaucracy. And there's some great individuals in the Canadian government that are really helping a Canadian company go after Canadian contracts. But as well, we have great execution partners that are willing to utilize their reputation to help us facilitate you know winning contracts uh in in the near term and hopefully that answers the question um another question we have why do you say you need execution partners for ai what roles would they feel that's a great question um you know for dmg you know we've been a bitcoin miner for you know close to a decade we're coming up to 10 years as a company soon But in data centers around high-performance computing, this is a different world of tiered data centers, you know, predominantly tier three data centers. You know, our ability is very much focused on power and power optimization and management as a Bitcoin miner. And so we have made a decision to partner with companies that give us skill sets in supply chain relationships, in geographic reach that we might not otherwise have, in procuring or getting or using security clearances that we don't have. Additionally, as we're going after what are really multi-billion dollar contracts, You know, it's hard for ourselves to present just DMGA on its own going for such large contracts. We need to present ourselves with some great partners that have experience at this size and, you know, can be seen to the government as successfully executing large contracts. Maybe not in Canada or, you know, in different industries within Canada. But, you know, people that have some of this experience that we don't have in certain areas. Hopefully that answers the execution partner question. Is there a Malahat update? Is this moving forward? Yes, and it's moving forward on two fronts. First, our plan is to locate some portion of the prefabricated data centers on Malahat land in conjunction with potentially, if things go well, a military contract with the Canadian government. Additionally, our second, there's sort of a longer-term scoping and need to supply future infrastructure on Malahat territory for the 15-megawatt agreement that we put together. That'll take a little bit longer, but we are in the process with the Malahat to figure all of this out and to expand the power capacity of their territory. Part of that is working on the application process with the First Nations Finance Authority for a loan to start out our first pilot project with the Malahat. And as we make progress, we will continue to provide updates on our venture with the Malahat Nation. Another question. You have said almost nothing in the press about Caropool. Is it dead? Well, no. Caropool is far from dead. The key issue for Caropool has been to show that buyers will pay a premium for Bitcoin sourced from carbon neutral energy sources. Our goal remains to demonstrate the economic advantages of being in a carbon neutral pool. And we are working on multiple projects to do this. Additionally, we have been building the pieces around this with Helm and Reactor along with Systemic Trust. So we believe very soon we will be able to showcase this complete ecosystem of offerings for miners. So I think that's hopefully kind of answers the question around Terrapula. why is it taking so long to generate revenue from systemic trust so um building a business is hard as i alluded we've been almost 10 years as dmg um building a trust business under the um different rules and regulations that come for being a trust is even harder. So, you know, we are busy trying to figure out the best ways to build systemic trust in a short period of time. This is why we brought in a consultant, you know, not only just to help DMG around how we should think about building a digital asset treasury for ourselves, but also how systemic trust would be looking at being part of any company's digital asset treasury and positioning ourselves to go after companies and organizations that want to do that. But we have become a bit more optimistic in the future about you know bringing on more clients how realistic we are about how long it takes to win clients and onboard new clients uh and for the time from you know uh entering a market finding clients onboarding clients starting to generate material revenue um we still do believe that um this is a largely underserved market that really now currently relies on large U.S.-based custody providers. And we believe that a Canadian company servicing this area with some of the unique services that we can bring can do a better job, and we will win over customers in the future. That was sort of a long answer. Stephen?

Yeah, and I have, so I'll take, we had some other questions that I'll take, because Sheldon and I typically play tag team here and split the load. So the next question is everybody's favorite topic, digital asset treasuries, and asking a couple questions, well, why don't You do an offering, as others have done, to significantly grow their market cap. And is DMG considering becoming a Bitcoin treasury company? And the answer to the latter is no, because I think what we said is what we want to do is set an example for how – all companies should think about allocating a portion of their balance sheet to digital assets. And if you kind of look at what's – take a step back and look at what's going on, what we've seen in the short term is investors are willing to pay, at least in some cases, this multiple premium on net asset value versus an ETF, which has no premium. And NYDIG, our friends there, have referred to this as a memetic premium. In other words, there's a premium based on having some rock star involved. And this meme value has enabled companies to offer shares at a premium to NAV as DMG trades at the value of our digital assets and well below book value are really not in a position to to offer equity to purchase digital assets. And we'd rather use the dry powder we have in the unused portion of our Signum loan bank facility, as well as other debt instruments to potentially make asset purchases that we believe will drive much more meaningful value in the long run. Our two megawatt prefab data center acquisition being an example of that. The next question here, why did you liquidate Bitcoin ahead of the peak to pay down debt rather than wait until Bitcoin was higher? Well, frankly, we wish we had a crystal ball to know when the peak is. But from a treasury management point of view, we're proud of the fact that we utilize debt. rather than sell Bitcoin at levels far below where Bitcoin is today. We know if Bitcoin goes to 200 in the next few months, we'll be criticized for selling so far below the peak. But just given the volatility we've seen this year alone, we're happy we've locked in gains that really most portfolio managers would be envious of. And we've also hedged our bets by not fully paying down our debt and leaving the option also to start building a dedicated treasury that would be a base to accumulate over the long run. The next question here is about IR and marketing. We talked last quarter about IR and what's happened since and also just this having creating a more public-facing marketing strategy. And, yes, over the past quarter we've had conversations with potential IR firms as well as firms that also can provide more liquidity in our stock. And we're excited about our story, want to get it out more. But as we look to the fall, we are likely to make some decisions on this. But also, investors should keep in mind that we continue to look at uplisting options, potentially In the coming year, we just want to make sure we have the right firm in place that can support us with that transition. And also, the nearer term, especially with systemic trust, really being focused on leveraging this trend with digital asset funds and treasuries. We are going to need to build a lot more marketing collateral in the near term. So this is an area we're definitely putting more attention. I think we'll have more to discuss in the coming months here. A question here about Block announcing its own proto-mine management software. What's the point of us doing our own Helm product? And we applaud what they've done. As Sheldon mentioned in the prepared comments, we already are utilizing open source code and Block and us share this vision to utilize AI for making Bitcoin mining more really focused on maximizing Bitcoin mine profitability and uptime. And we've always kind of had the view that Helm wasn't really going to generate a lot of revenue as a standalone product, but really be support for TerraPool and really reinforce TerraPool. And we've kind of seen now, as other pools are introducing their mind management software, that this is becoming a trend, and it's really becoming table stakes if you want to be in this business. Also with Bitdeer offering products, Auradine having a new miner and block, what's your stance on continuing to sole source from Bitmain? Yes, they've been a great vendor for us, but we welcome competition. I think with Bitmain is the S21+, which we are now fully in service with, Those miners at 15 joules a terahash and $14 a terahash, it's kind of market pricing in the June quarter. That's an industry benchmark. It's hard to beat. But we've said we're continuing to look for mining equipment, million-dollar-per-megawatt range, and we're encouraged that there will be multiple vendors that can offer that range. to be able to offer that type of range with a high efficiency. We actually have purchased one of the Auradine hydro miners and have it in-house. We went to the block proto launch event. We got to see and touch their equipment. And we're retrofitting our Christina Lake building infrastructure for hydro to be vendor agnostic. So at this point, we haven't made a decision regarding how to facilitate, but we're encouraged. We're going to have a lot of good choices. And the related question, it's already August. You haven't announced your expansion plans to get the 3X a hash. How can it realistically happen this year? Well, we are... Our primary option to get there is to retrofit our building. We have actually our building is split into three 12-megawatt tranches. We're working on the first. Essentially, we would retrofit one tranche to reach that goal. We're going to begin testing the first megawatt. Next month, we've sourced the coolant distribution units. They're in shipment, so we've seen what they look like, the ones that we bought. They're going to be in place in the next few weeks, and we're going to use the dry coolers that we purchased for our immersion project. So once we confirm the operation, next month we'll be in a position to purchase the balance of the infrastructure, which we should have in place. by the end of the year. And then the issue will really be the miners, and we haven't made a decision. So we want to do it in a non-dilutive way. Also, one of the things to keep, especially with respect to Bitmain, they give very limited visibility on the roadmap. When we started Hydro, we bought the S21. And the reason we switched to S21 Plus is they had just announced it shortly after we purchased the S21. So for the balance of the six megawatts, we switched and went to the S21, and we're very happy with that decision. So we think we still have time. to be able to do that. Sheldon, are there any other questions that came in the chat that I may have missed that you want to capture?

I got a few forwarded to me. I think we covered some of them from the looks of what's being forwarded to me. But one is, are any projects with PayPal dead? I would not say PayPal's dead. PayPal is kind of like government. It moves at its pace of what it wants to do. We're a technology provider for them and what they want to do. Interestingly enough, and timely to this question is, A third party has come to us that's very much interested in using the technology that DMV and PayPal have put together around Bitcoin. And so, you know, we're going to have some discussions with PayPal on that as well. But I wouldn't say PayPal's dead. I would say PayPal works at PayPal's pace. People have to understand that we're a technology provider on the software side for them to help them do what PayPal wants to do on a Bitcoin blockchain. But that technology can be used for other things other than just PayPal, which is something that's come up recently that we're investigating. Another question is, are we expanding our holdings into alts? I would say... Potentially. Just a little bit of going back in time, DMG, for the longest time, was not interested in altcoins. Mainly, and I've said this publicly in the past, was we just did not understand a lot of the value of some alts and they're very volatile much more than bitcoin and we felt that for shareholder money you know we kind of bet on bitcoin as as the crypto that you know would outlast and outperform others i think there's lots of yeas and that that's the right right bet to make obviously some alts do very well but they also do very poorly But things are changing now. The rules in the U.S. have changed. Hopefully Canada makes some changes as well. And there could be some alts out there that can do just as well as Bitcoin, potentially better than Bitcoin. And so we're spending some time with the consultants we have. looking at some ROI, trying to figure out what would make sense. Everything we're looking at has to be liquid. We don't want to get into some altcoin that, you know, we may end up mining and owning or purchasing and owning and then we can never get rid of it if we wanted to get rid of it. So we're very much focused on things that will continue to grow our Bitcoin balance as well. Um... Anything else? Did you see any?

Yeah, there was a question about with respect to AI in terms of focusing on the enterprise market. And we've certainly seen a number of announcements from our peers regarding that the last couple of days. We are very much looking at the enterprise market. We just think it's going to be a lot more competitive and not necessarily have the kinds of margins that the defense sector or government has. The tradeoff being is there's a readily available market. in enterprise with seemingly unlimited demand, and with government, it's slow. And we agree, and our view would probably be somewhat different in a typical environment, We believe, given what we've already capitalized on in terms of building relationships within the defense sector and the defense sector's sense of urgency to spend money, a lot of money, in a relatively short period of time, as well as for Canada to improve its trade relations with the U.S., that we have a unique opportunity at this point to capitalize on the defense sector. We haven't lost sight of enterprise, but the enterprise is really about investing outside of the hyperscalers, but the smaller enterprise accounts and the neocloud business is build it and they will come. That is certainly true right now. We think the way we're doing it, uh limits our exposure in the near term but gives us a very uh strong and long-term uh revenue base and position that we hope will be the envy of the industry thanks steve um i think just this comes up and we spoke about it earlier was this sort of selling off a large portion of our bitcoins um

Obviously, you know, it needs to be understood that when we take debt on, we have to pay interest. Our interest is around 8.5%. You know, running that on how much debt we took, this, you know, can really add up. And the gains of, you know, waiting out the increase of Bitcoin price can be lost if we just continually hold it as debt and don't pay it down. when you look at, you know, the economics of when we took on the debt, what that Bitcoin price was, when we started selling it back, the return for us has been phenomenal. And, you know, eventually that debt needs to be paid down somehow. And the amount of interest we've incurred, you know, is not insignificant. So, There has to be a balance where investors understand that there's a time to hold the coin and take on debt and take on interest. And there's a time to take advantage of that, as Stephen has said in his comments, where we can take that off the table and do really well on holding back and not selling coins at, you know, a lower value that we would have had to sell if we didn't take on debt. So that balance sometimes is a little bit misunderstood with people, you know, just wanting to have as large of a Bitcoin balance as possible. So you have to be a little bit careful there. So I just want to say that. The other point on that is that, you know, when opportunities do come up, having that balance of Bitcoin allows us to move quickly because we can turn it into cash and do things. And that, you know, allowed us to break into the AI game by getting our hands on the first two data center units that we procured. So, you know, there's some... advantages to having that big point sitting there in which we can do things very quickly that we think are going to be very beneficial for the company. And so far, all indications in us buying the two prefabricated units look very positive for us getting into some very interesting business relationships in Canada. Those are sort of the end of our Q&A, unless Stephen sees another question coming out.

Yeah, there's one last question here I'll address. It's a two-part question. One of it is just, if we did consider altcoin mining, would we hold the alts and The answer there is we would most likely convert those altcoins to Bitcoins. We probably would not be wanting to hold altcoin or let's just say speculative altcoins for our treasury. We would look to blue chips. So you can kind of start with ETH. maybe look at a couple others, but it's going to be a very short list. Those are essentially proof-of-stake coins that we would stake, and the proof-of-work coins tend to be a lot more speculative, and hence, if we did decide to go mine those, they would most likely be converted to Bitcoin. And then also just in terms of the company priorities, really look at it from two points of view. One is Bitcoin mining generates cash, and we want to keep it competitive so that it continues to do that for us in a capital and creative way. And our new businesses really are split with AI and our software and services where we've said the priority there is systemic trust. So you can kind of think of us as having two branches for driving future growth and future valuation of the company. We have different people who are dedicated employees. to those efforts. And they all filter up to Sheldon and I, but at the end of the day, but we do look at them as two growth initiatives that are running in parallel that ultimately we feel both can drive a lot of value in the long run for DMG. And I think that's the last question.

Yeah, there's one that just looks like it came across. What exchanges are you looking to uplist to? Well, obviously, NASDAQ and New York are the two most prominent, and we spent some time looking at NASDAQ. But an up-and-coming exchange is Texas. We've had some discussions around that. We're going to have some more discussions in the coming months. as we get more information on what a Texas exchange may look like and how it operates. It may be a great place. You know, it's kind of the Bitcoin capital of America. It seems to be Texas, and it could be a great place for us to uplist onto. I think that ends our Q&A. Thanks, everybody, for the questions and joining the call. Regarding upcoming conferences, we will be at the H.C. Lainwright Conference in New York, September 8th to 10th, and the Arkstone Kingswood Growth Summit in Toronto on September 18th. We thank everyone for attending, and our call is now over.