Xcel Energy Inc.

Good day and welcome to the Excel Energy Second Quarter 2020 earnings conference call. Questions will only be taken from institutional investors. Reporters can contact media relations, but inquiries and individual investors and others can reach out to investor relations. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Paul Johnson, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Good morning. Good morning and welcome to Excel Energy's 2020 Second Quarter earnings conference call. Joining me today are Ben Folk, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Bob Frenzel, President and Chief Operating Officer, Brian Van Able, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Amanda Rhoam, Executive Vice President and General Counsel. This morning we review our second quarter results, share recent business and regulatory developments and discuss how we're managing through uncertainty around COVID. The slides that accompanies today's call are available on our website. As a reminder, some of the comments we made during today's call may contain forward-looking information. Significant factors that could cause results to differ from those anticipated are described in our earnings release and our SEC filings. Today we'll discuss certain metrics that are non-GAP measures, including items, ongoing earnings, electric and natural gas margins. Information on comparable GAP measures and reconciliations are included in our earnings release. And I'll turn the call over to Ben Folk. Well, thanks, Paul, and good morning, everyone. We had a strong quarter, booking earnings of $0.54 per share for the second quarter of 2020, compared with $0.46 per share last year. Our -to-date earnings are on track with our financial plan, and we are mitigating the impact of COVID-19. As a result, we are reaffirming our 2020 guidance. We continue to help our customers and protect our employees during the pandemic. We're stepping up our charitable giving to help our communities. Our business continuity plans have been executed extremely well. We're keeping employees safe while providing reliable service to our customers. And we're helping to restart the economy through our capital investment programs that create jobs in our communities. Earlier this year, the Minnesota Commission opened a relief and recovery docket and invited utilities in the state to submit potential projects that would create jobs and help jumpstart the economy. In June, we filed a plan that proposes $3 billion of capital investment. This includes approximately $1.8 billion of incremental capex for wind repowering, a 460-megawatt solar facility, expanded EV infrastructure, and about $1.2 billion of accelerated transmission, distribution, and natural gas investments. We recently announced a solicitation for repowering of wind projects that are either owned by Excel Energy or under PPAs. We estimate 800 to 1,000 megawatts of potential repowering projects and expect to make a Commission recommendation by year end. We're also proposing options to mitigate customer bills. Overall, feedback has been very positive, and we look forward to working through the process with the Commission. Now, as you might have heard, the U.S. Treasury recently announced a one-year extension of a safe harbor for renewable projects. Wind projects that began construction in 2016 now have until the end of 2021 to complete construction and receive PTCs at the 100 percent level. While we were confident that our projects would qualify for 100 percent PTC level regardless of this change, the extension assures its benefit for our customers should any project slip into 2021. Importantly, this change also presents the opportunity to move Dakota range from the originally planned 80 percent PTC level to 100 percent PTC level. While this will not impact earnings, it will significantly reduce costs, which is a great outcome for our customers. Advancing our strategic priority of leading the clean energy transition, we and our co-owners recently announced the early retirement of the second coal unit at Craig. While we only have a small ownership stake in Craig, we are proud to help drive the early retirement of another coal unit. We're also making significant strides to improve ESG transparency and disclosure. We recently issued our TCFD report and risk assessment, which describes the resilience of our climate strategy using different scenarios. The addition of this report enhanced our disclosures and results in a full TCFD compliance for our customers. Another strategic priority is to keep our customer bills low. As a result, it was very satisfying to see that SPS's electric rates in Texas and New Mexico were the lowest in the country for 2019, as recently reported by S&P Global. Providing strong customer service and reliability at an attractive price is a hallmark of Xcel Energy, and we're very proud of this recognition. We're also excited that after 10 years, we've reached a settlement agreement with Boulder that will result in a new franchise agreement and also a partnership to explore grid site options to meet our carbon goals. The approval process for the settlement will include a vote by city council in August, a ballot referendum, and vote by the people of Boulder in November. If approved, the franchise will go into effect in January of 2021. Finally, I was recently elected chairman of EEI. It will be an honor to lead the industry in such an important and challenging time, and I tend to focus on three areas. My first priority is the industry's ongoing COVID-19 response related to the workforce, customers, and recovery from the pandemic. Second, I intend to focus on clean energy innovation. I'm asking EEI to develop federal and state policy proposals that will bring dispatchable zero carbon technologies into the marketplace to enable the industry to meet our long-term carbon goals. Finally, I've asked EEI to focus on what our industry can do to promote racial justice and increasing our commitment to advance diversity and inclusion. Like our country, our entire industry has been shaken by the death of George Floyd. Mr. Floyd died only a few miles from our corporate headquarters, and Minneapolis was the first city to experience widespread protests and rioting. I think as a society, we have a lot of work to do. We need to look hard at ourselves, our unconscious biases, and our business practices. They have some hard questions about how we can improve our diversity. I'm confident that Xcel Energy can play a leadership role in driving positive change for our country and our communities. So with that, let me turn the call over to Brian. We'll provide more detail on our financial results and our outlook. Brian? Thanks, Ben.

Good morning, everyone. We're in a strong quarter, booking $0.54 per share for the second quarter of 2020 compared with $0.46 per share last year. The most significant earnings drivers for the quarter include the following. Lower O&M expenses, primarily driven by our cost management efforts, increased earnings by $0.05 per share. Higher electric margins increased earnings by $0.02 per share, which reflects riders and increases that offset the negative $0.07 per share impact from declining sales, largely due to COVID-19. Higher AAPTC equity increased earnings by $0.03 per share. And finally, our lower effective tax rate increased earnings by $0.07 per share. However, the majority of the lower ETR is due to an increase in production tax credits, which flow back to customers through electric margin and is largely earnings neutral. Offsetting these positive drivers were increased appreciation and interest expense, reflecting our capital investment program and other items, which combined reduced earnings by $0.09 per share. Next, I want to discuss the status of COVID-19 impacts on mitigation efforts. As expected, COVID-19 had a major impact on second quarter sales. Our second quarter weather adjusted electric sales declined by 7.1%. However, these impacts are better than projected in our base case scenario, which is embedded in our guidance assumptions. On a weather adjusted basis, April retail electric sales declined 9.6%. May showed improvement as retail electric sales declined 6.7%. And June showed further improvement as retail electric sales declined 4.7%. This monthly trend reflects the economic shutdown that started in mid-March and the gradual opening up of the economy in May and June. As a reminder, we have a sales trip mechanism for all electric classes in Minnesota and coupling for the electric residential and non-demand small C&I classes in Colorado. This covers about 45% of our total retail electric sales. Since second quarter sales came in better than projected in our base case scenario, we have additional cushion should an economic collapse occur of the recovery falter. Conversely, if sales continue to come in better than expected, we will adjust our contingency plans accordingly. We're also closely monitoring bad debt expense and working with customers on payment plans. While it is difficult to reject where we'll land, bad debt expense increased approximately 25 million in the 2008-2009 time period as a reference point. Our commissions in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Texas, New Mexico, and Michigan have issued orders to defer pandemic related expenses. We also reached a settlement in Colorado with the staff and OCC that would allow us to defer COVID-19 related bad debt expense pending a commission decision. Finally, our filings in North Dakota and South Dakota remain under commission review. We've also made strong progress on our efforts to reduce O&M costs to mitigate the impacts of COVID-19. Based on our contingency plans, we expect annual O&M expenses will decline 4 to 5% in 2020, which would offset COVID-19 impacts in the base case scenario. We're also prepared to implement additional contingency plans if the impacts exceed our base case scenario. As we discussed in the first quarter, there are limitations to what we can offset. We remain focused on providing strong customer service and reliability when we're dealing with a pandemic. We will not make short-term decisions that have a negative long-term impact on our customers or shareholders. The last COVID-19 topic I want to cover is liquidity. We finished our planned debt issuances for the year and we were able to access the capital markets on strong terms and issue bonds at record low-coup bonds. We also closed on the sale of the Mankato Energy Center, which provided approximately $650 million of cash proceeds after carving out the gain for charitable contributions. As a result, we now have available liquidity of approximately $4.5 billion. And finally, we issued an equity forward last year, which we expect to settle later this year, bringing our total liquidity to approximately $5.2 billion. Next, let me provide a quick regulatory update. In New Mexico, the commission approved our constructive settlement that reflects a rate increase of $31 billion, an ROE of 9.45%, an equity ratio of 54.8%, and accelerated depreciation of the Tote Coal plant to reflect an earlier retirement. In Texas, we reached a constructive unopposed black box settlement which reflects an electric rate increase of $88 million, an ROE of 9.45%, and an equity ratio of .6% for AFEDC purposes, and acceleration of the depreciation life of the Tote Coal plant. We anticipate a commission decision in the third quarter. And in July, we also reached a constructive settlement in our Colorado natural gas rate case, which reflects a net rate increase of $77 million, an ROE of 9.2%, an equity ratio of 55.6%, and a historic test year of an adjustment for the Tungsten to Black Hawk project. We anticipate a commission decision later this year. On our last call, we discussed our preference to avoid rate cases when possible, especially in light of COVID-19. So we recently filed for a rate recovery of our wildfire and advanced grid investments in Colorado instead of filing a comprehensive rate case. The riders will cover 2021 through 2025 and provide regulatory flexibility. And as part of our Minnesota relief and recovery filing, we express our interest in seeking an alternative path to avoid a rate case filing this year. We think this would be a constructive outcome for all parties. We've had initial discussions and we'll keep you posted. With that, I will wrap up. We're effectively mitigating COVID-19 impacts. We continue to provide reliable energy service to our customers while ensuring the safety and well-being of our employees and communities. We reached constructive settlements in our Texas and Colorado rate cases. We avoided an electric rate case in Colorado by filing for wildfire and advanced grid riders. We filed our relief and recovery proposal in Minnesota, which will create jobs, help rejuvenate our local economies, and result in significant customer benefits. We announced the early retirement of another coal plant and achieved TCFD full compliance. We reached a settlement with Boulder that should end their municipalization efforts. We are reaffirming our 2020 guidance range of $2.73 to $2.83 per share based on our solid -to-date results in progress and contingency plans. And finally, we remain committed to delivering long-term earnings and dividend growth within our 5% to 7% objective range. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, we will now take questions.

Thank you. The question and answer session will be conducted electronically. If you'd like to ask a question, please do so by pressing the star key followed by the digit one on your touchtone telephone. If you're using a speakerphone, please be sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, please press star one to ask a question. And we'll take our first question from Jeremy Tone with JP Morgan.

Hi, good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Just wanted to touch base, I guess, on your retail sales expectations at this point. Didn't know if you had any data from July if you could provide us any more color. It seems so far in the second quarter you guys are trending somewhere between the base case and the mild case. And just wondering if you'd give us any feeling, I guess, from what you can see so far, you know, how the third quarter might be shaping up initially between those two scenarios.

Yeah, happy to. But just as you know, we don't have AMI. So we have some visibility into July information, particularly from we have some sample customers. And what we're seeing on the CNI side is we're seeing slight improvements as we look at some of the specific data that we have. We've seen some improvement in the oil and gas load down in SPS, something we're watching closely. If you look at the results down there, they've kind of bottomed about in May and we've seen improvement relative still below about 5% from where it was pre-COVID levels. But good to see the CNI improvement there. We're also watching Colorado CNI. If you look at our earnings release in our presentation, you can see that the CNI sales from May to June didn't improve as much as they did from April to May. So that's something we're focusing on in Q3. But we are seeing positive trends there. In residential, I think we're still continuing to see that strength that we saw in Q2. So overall, you know, positive trends going in Q3. But, you know, if you look at our base scenario, we have significant improvement from deaths in Q2 to Q3. So some are watching closely.

Got it. That's very helpful. Thanks. And just with regards to the Minnesota relief and recovery proposal, I'm just wondering if you might be able to share any more as far as any early feedback that you might have received so far or just kind of expectations going forward at this point.

Okay, Jeremy, it's Bob. And thanks for the question. You know, coincidentally, we actually had a Minnesota planning meeting yesterday with departments and the commission to talk through the relief and recovery act. You know, we think this is a really interesting example of coordination between the, you know, investor-owned utilities and the political community to try and solve some of the problems that are affecting our communities from the pandemic. I think the commentary yesterday was kicked off by the lieutenant governor with a positive tone. I feel like we had some positive tone from some of the commissioners with a special interest to an expeditious resolution and timeline. So we'll know more as we work through the rest of the summer in terms of timeline. But I think yesterday's planning meeting felt fairly positive.

That's encouraging. That's great. Thanks. And if I could just speak in the last one here, it seemed like your guide DNA, interest in AFUDC equity all kind of changed a little bit there. I was wondering if you could help us with some of the drivers.

Yeah, certainly. I mean, when you put them all together, bottom line, impacts for the material for the year, puts and takes, depreciation changes, you know, coming out of our rate cases, we had some depreciation rate changes that were implemented. Obviously, interest expense, we set a record low coupons. Minnesota, we issued a 30 year bond at 2.6%, which is the lowest 30 year first mortgage bond for utilities. So really good results there out of the team. And then on the other pieces of rider revenue, right, just a little bit of delays in implementation or wind farms, but net net pretty immaterial impact, you need to take them all together.

Great.

Thanks so much.

And next we'll go to Julian D'Amelion Smith with Bank of America.

Hey, thanks for the time, guys. So let me take the other side of what Jeremy was just talking about. Let's talk about cost reductions. And let's talk about that in the context of your progress here today and what this means going forward in the future years, right? I hear you guys talking about staying out in Colorado, for instance, leveraging riders a little bit more. But give us a little bit of context in where you are against the plan, given the 45% articulated, and then what that means for sustainability and prospects to stay out in these states.

Let me let Brian give you the details on that, but let me just say I really proud of how the entire team, entire Excel workforce has really stepped up to mitigate the impacts of COVID-19 while still providing this important, obviously, product that we deliver. And we've done it in a number of different ways, but what has most impressed me is the innovation, the creativity, the use of technology and to improve our business. So I'm optimistic that a lot of it, we've got to work through it, but a lot of this will give us a lot of momentum as we go into 2021. And with that, I'll ask Brian to give some more details.

Yeah, thanks, Dan. And good morning, Julian. Yeah, so from a run rate, right, we put in the contingency plans in the sense of the end of March as we saw this hit. And so we had nine months from a year to date perspective, we're about a little over $50 million ahead of 2019. So executing, I would say, slightly ahead of plan when we look at what our plans were for Q2. So that puts us in a good position for the balance of the year. Now, obviously, if sales come in a little bit better, we can adjust those contingency plans for the year. And Ben said it well, you know, the team has done a great job of developing and executing those plans for this year. And we've really turned our attention to what is sustainable in 2021 and beyond. But I think you got to when you talk about regulatory flexibility and rate case stay outs, we're also the other side of the equation is, you know, we're everything we've learned over the past few months from from the impacts of COVID-19 is we're incorporating into our sales forecast for 2021. And and incorporating that into our sales forecast for 2021. And so we're looking at both sides of the equation. And so big focus for the team and in Q3 from an O&M sustainability perspective, which will deliver further guidance and clarity in Q3 on that.

Got it. But net net fairly confident to consistently earn at authorized levels to the extent to which that you're successful in staying out in these cases, inclusive of, with the call on the matter.

Yeah, I think that's a fair assumption. You broke up a little bit. I think you I think you said you would expect another authorized levels with the regulatory proceedings, just to make sure I heard you correctly. Yeah.

Where exactly are you, Julian? We'll talk about that later. We have we have enjoyed your notes from the road, Julian. So there we go. So in Colorado and speaking of Colorado, what are your prospects for stimulus here as you think about the potentially mirroring your efforts in Minnesota?

Hey, Julian, it's Bob. So if you're in Colorado, you know, I hope you're having good weather out there. We've had a nice warm summer. I think you saw some of our weather adjusted sales were pretty strong in Colorado. As far as relief and recovery goes, you know, what we've done in Minnesota, we believe has been relatively unique for the country. But we're certainly open to the ideas and trying to partner in other jurisdictions. You know, I'll give a lot of credit to the administration and the commission and the department in Minnesota for their leadership and their partnership with us on the R&R plan and getting utilities in the state to step up and try and help our communities and our customers. And if we can find that kind of partnership, we are absolutely looking and willing to do that. You know, as if the pandemic continues or if we see some resurgence, you know, there may be more opportunities down the road for us on something similar in our other jurisdictions. I wouldn't rule it out. Great. Best of luck.

Thanks, guys. Talk to you soon. See you soon.

Stay safe. Wear your mask.

And next we'll go to Travis Miller with Morningstar.

Good morning. Thank you. All right. I wonder if you could talk a little bit more when you said in Minnesota the alternative path, what that might look like in lieu of one of the full three-year rate cycle filing?

Yeah, Travis, as we kind of put in our relief and recovery plan, the alternative path is really looking at a potential stay out for 2021. You know, going into 2020, we were able to reach a constructive stay out with the parties, which the commission approved. And that was really focused, you know, a couple key components around sales true up and deferral of the NET amortization, a couple key components. And now we put that in our relief and recovery plan. I think there's another path there. And we've just started the initial discussions around that. And certainly we'll look to see if we can find a good constructive settlement that works for our customers and us. Okay.

Would it include potentially something like a other other mechanisms in there that we keep you at that allowed or slightly below the allowed ROE?

Well, for Minnesota, the two big components look similar to at least sitting here today, similar to the settlement that we reached for this year. The big component is the sales true up and then the deferral of some amortizations. We do have, right, we do have riders recover a lot of investments with our renewable investments, longer renewable rider. We have our transmission cost rider, which covers some investments. So we have a rider mechanisms that help recover the investments we're making for our customers. Got it. And then just confirming that you guys are still on track for that five year, seven percent rate based growth and the 22 billion

cat tax. Any changes to those numbers? I would say Travis, this is Ben. Yeah, we are on track and we're targeting the upper half. And we'll update all of that in the third quarter when we update you on our five year capital forecast. But I think you'll be pleased with what we're projecting. Okay. And then just real quick, does that include the three billion in Minnesota or would that be incremental? That would be, that would be, well, first of all, one point eight is incremental. The other is an acceleration. But yeah, I mean, that's not necessary for us. So that would be incremental. Okay, great. Thanks so much.

Next, we'll go to Steve Fleischman with Wolf Research.

Hey, Steve. Hey, good morning. Morning. So just good to hear your voice, Ben, and have fun being the share of EI. The virtual share, I suppose. So the, on the Minnesota kind of recovery investment, has the, has the commission give some indication on the basis for the decisions they're going to make in terms of like, is it based on the amount of jobs created versus, you know, the rate impact or just, how are they going to make that decision? Well, I think they'll take a number of factors into consideration. But, you know, I think, as, as you know, our steel for fuel strategy accomplishes capital investment, job growth, and helps with rates. So the extent we can emphasize that, I think the better will be. There will be a solicitation and we'll, you know, we'll bring those projects in. We are anticipating, you know, that we'll have a very good price point for the solar that we're planning. And, you know, Brian or Bob, I don't know if you want to add anything else?

Yeah, you know, Steve, I think it's still just a little bit early innings, but I think the comfort level with the investment, the economic development, the job creation, that portfolio account, you know, coupled with the relief opportunities that Brian mentioned on rates and stay out mechanisms, I think is a big package. We haven't got a full timeline out of them. We had our big planning meeting yesterday, which was favorable with some positive comments from the commission and even the administration. And so we're comfortable and confident where we sit, but we don't have a lot of details other than that to share with you right now.

Yeah. Did you, did you have any sense of the rate impact of the three billion or you're kind of waiting to see your bidding and all that?

You know, I think we still need to run through the solicitation process on the renewable portions for sure, which will run through August and in through September before we make some decisions. But we're pretty confident that we know the impacts of the things we would put forward and we know a little bit of what other people would do as well. So we're pretty comfortable with the cost side of that. We would

put forward a wind refowering if it wasn't NPV positive to the consumer. So so I think the real key is, well, that offset the acceleration of some of the distribution and transmission spend that we're talking about. And I think, I think likely it will, but to Bob's point, we'll run through those numbers.

Yeah, Steve, just some further call on the repowering. We had the long road repowering approved and we have malware should be up front in the commission, hopefully in Q3. And those show the front end customer savings and you go through the repowering, which is really good in this environment. And so we're working through similar analysis on our currently owned wind farms that we think would be good candidates for that.

Okay. And since most of these things are related to things that you

own and like you have pretty assuming it gets approved pretty

highly likely it would be you who actually makes the investment. Yeah, that's correct. Third parties.

I think that's a fair. And just

last question. Yeah. Okay. And last question related. So if that is all true. Yeah. One thing to be clear on though, there are third parties that could submit PPAs for either a PPA extension or a BOT. So some be some combination of our investment plus others. Great. And I apologize. Last question on this, which is just how should we think about financing plan for as much as the incremental,

you know, more time. Yes, Steve, as we talked about before, and really, you know, in the filing order, we think about 1.8. It's the incremental part of the other the 1.2 roughly is accelerated. But as we go through this process, you know, we expect the commission indicated yesterday that they'll look to find a way to move through this pretty quickly. And at the same time, we're developing our five year capital plan for 21 through 25. And so we'll put that all together and, and roll out a five year financing plan if we have enough clarity to include this in our five year capital plan by October. But generally, you know, what we've spoken about before, timing and size matters for incremental capital. And if it's significant enough in lines up, and it will generally fund that with our consolidated capital structure. Now, as we've spoken about before, it's important to maintain that financial strength and the credit quality of the company. Great. Thanks. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

Thanks, Steve. Next we'll go to Sophie Karp with KeyBank.

Hi, good morning. Congrats on the quarter. And thank you for taking my question.

Thank you, Sophie.

Just to build on this, on the rate strategy here, on the questions around that, I'm wondering if, you know, we think about more, I guess, the reality of rates and, you know, as this continues to be the case, and the COVID is kind of here to stay and it looks like the economic consequences will be lingering for a while. Could we see a pivot in the overall strategy where you move away from periodic rate cases and kind of switch on a more permanent basis to alternative mechanisms and just kind of move away from the strategy of being a serial rate case or to more of a -in-out for longer periods for longer, I guess, is my question. Thank you.

Hey, Sophie, it's Bob. Good to hear your voice. You were a little broke up there, but let me try and address the question, which I think is, you know, how do you think strategically about rate cases in the context of the pandemic in longer term is just sort of my takeaway. And, you know, we have a lot of rider mechanisms in our various states and we're making billions of dollars of investments on behalf of our customers and infrastructure around clean energy transition and grid modernization. And we also have to keep the utility financially healthy. So that's the backdrop that we work with. We are obviously working with our regulators right now on mechanisms by which we wouldn't need to file rate cases and we're actively engaged in conversations with our stakeholders in Minnesota. In Colorado, I think you saw us settle our gas case and then file a couple riders, which we think would allow us to stay out of our electric case in Colorado. And that's a bit of the strategy is to continue to invest in areas that have real-time and rider recovery. You've seen us execute on decoupling and sales throughout mechanisms in our businesses and that's helpful as well. And so strategically, I think you're in the right place is we're always going to look for mechanisms by which we can mitigate our cost structure, keep our bills low for our customers while we keep thinking to invest in the infrastructure that we need to. So we'll continue to be creative there and partner with our commissions. And, you know, the goal would be to not go into rate cases if we could avoid them. But we have to keep the utility financially healthy. And so we balance all of that. Yeah. And Sophie, just

building on what Bob said, I mean, whether it's traditional rate cases or expansion of riders or some combination to the bottom line is we are going to achieve our clean energy objectives, our levels of reliability and our customer improvements and customer experience, all while keeping total bills below the pace of CPI. That's our objective and that's what we're on track for. And that's what I think we still remain on forecast to do. So because that's the key thing is to make these investments while not while keeping our product affordable.

Thank you. Minnesota, if I may on the O&M. So you entered this year guiding for O&M growth the other year and then the COVID and you had to flip that and basically find cost cuts, right? So you have to accept the impact and it seems like it's going well. Could you give us some sense on the shape of that throughout the year? Are you kind of even into it now and plan to ramp up in the second half or are you pretty much on a run rate at this point and we should expect a steady kind of O&M trajectory throughout the year? How should we think about that?

Hey, Sophie, this is Brian. I think the way you said it, you assume a steady run rate pretty radically over the quarter. So I think you're thinking about it right that continues to that run rate.

Thank you so much. Thank you.

Next we'll go to Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates.

Hey, good morning. Hey, Paul. Just a few quick follow-ups. So back in Minnesota, and I'm sorry if I didn't completely understand this, how much did you guys, were you guys saying that this capex might be going to third parties through contracts? How much of the total is subject to that? The 1.8 incremental is, that's our spend. Okay. But what Paul was saying is when we do a solicitation, we'll have our own wind projects that we own, that we bid into that, but we will also encourage independents to bid in as well. And they can bid in either as a build-own transfer, which would result in our ownership, or they could bid in with an extension of a power purchase agreement. And we'll take a look at all of those. But at the end of the day, our incremental capex will come from ownership and wind projects, perhaps our own and perhaps BOTs, the solar facility that we're talking about at our coal plant in Becker, Minnesota, advances in EV infrastructure. And I think that covers the incremental. And then we look at the acceleration of that 1.2 billion of grid spend. Okay, Paul, we're not going to know what other parties are going to build in until we get through the process, which would be more towards the end of August. Okay. And then, when we say incremental, just to be clear, that doesn't mean bringing something in from the future. This is just incremental. In other words, it wouldn't happen anyway. It doesn't change the trajectory of your capex outlook from, you know, in other words, you're not moving something from the future to now. It's, as Accelerated would suggest, when you say incremental, it wouldn't have occurred otherwise. Is that the way to think of that? Yeah, that's the way to think of it. Okay. I think I understand. And then with respect to the... Paul, just let me... I mean, look, I think the way to think about it is the 1.2 billion that we're not calling incremental, that's an acceleration of something that's already in our forecast. The 1.8 billion would not be in our existing forecast. Now, over the course of 15 years might it have happened? Yeah. But that's how we're defining that. That's really helpful. I appreciate it. And then with respect to the CPI goal, is that still 2%? Yeah, I mean, I think it depends a little bit by jurisdiction. Yeah, that's roughly at Excel level a good way to think about it. Okay. And then just in general, I mean, this has been touched on by other people, but I'm just wondering if things continue down this road, is there any potential maybe to upsize this if we have a weaker economy? Do you follow what I'm saying? Is there any sort of discussion of a potential like, hey, maybe this is a good jobs idea or economic stimulus idea? And we could see something maybe even bigger than this. I think I'll let the team weigh in on this, Paul, but I think it probably would come from other jurisdictions. Okay. And okay, you always have addressed that. Okay. I really appreciate it. Thanks so much. Thank you. Have a good day.

We'll go to Insoo Kim with Goldman Sachs.

Thank you. I just have one quick question. In your guidance for the year-end, the base-gate assumption, what type of, I guess, assumption are you making on differential treatment of COVID-related costs?

Or around, yeah, bad debt deferrals. Hey, I'm Insoo, this is Brian. You know, as we talked about in Q1, we assume that we get constructive treatment around the regulatory deferrals. You know, when we think about our bad debt deferrals, expense, we have roughly about $25 million increase. And we look at what happened in 2008 and 2009. And that's everything we've seen for the three months of impacts that remains pretty consistent as our thinking going into this. And if we think about it, we have about 95% of our businesses covered with our six deferral orders. The two we're waiting for are the Dakotas. So we feel like we've reached a constructive place with those deferral orders. And we'll continue to evaluate the deferrals as we go through the balance of the year. Got it. So it's a bulk of, I think, the bulk of what's happened in terms of the approvals were somewhat embedded in making that guidance. Yep, that's correct. Got it. That's all. Thank you.

That concludes today's question and answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to Brian Ventable for any additional or closing remarks.

Yeah, thank you all for participating in our earnings call this morning. Please contact our investor relations team with any follow-up questions. Have a good day. Thank you.

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