AT&T Inc.
10/28/2019
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go ahead. Thank you and good morning everyone and welcome to our third quarter conference call. I'm Mike Viola, Head of Investor Relations for AT&T and joining me on the call today is Randall Stephenson, AT&T's Chairman and CEO, and John Stevens, AT&T's Chief Financial Officer. We'll begin with our 2019 progress and our third quarter results, but we want to spend most of our time today on the three-year guidance and capital allocations plans that we announced this morning. Then we'll take your questions. Before I begin, I want to call your attention to our Safe Harbor statement. It says that some of the comments today may be forward-looking. As such, they're subject to risks and uncertainties. Results may differ materially and additional information is available on the Investor Relations website. I also want to remind you that we're in the quiet period for the FCC spectrum auction 103, so we can't answer any questions about that today. And as always, our earnings materials are available on the Investor Relations page of the AT&T website. That includes the news release, investor briefing, 8K, etc. And so with that, I'll turn the call over to Randall Stephenson.
Okay, thanks Mike, and good morning everyone. Thanks for joining us. On slide three, you'll see some of this listed. Last November, we laid out our 2019 commitments and we challenged the team to deliver, and they have. The punchline for the quarter is that we remain on target to meet every single objective for the year. We said leverage would be around two and a half times by year end, and we're on track to hit that target. We told you that full year EPS would grow in the low single digits, and we're checking that box. We said we'd generate $26 billion of free cash flow, and now we're tracking to $28 billion. We said we would remain very active on the portfolio front, evaluating and executing opportunities to monetize $6 to $8 billion in non-core assets, and we have. Our current forecast is to realize $14 billion by year end. We said that our wireless business would return to top line growth, and it has. Year to date, wireless service revenues are up nearly 2%. We committed to stabilizing entertainment group EBITDA despite the direct TV top line pressures, and through three quarters, entertainment group EBITDA is growing. And we needed to do all of this while integrating Warner Media, hitting our synergy targets and introducing several new services. So across the board, we're positioned to meet or exceed every commitment for the year. In a few minutes, I'll cover our three year plan, and you'll begin to understand why I feel good about meeting those commitments as well. But before we get into that, let me turn it over to John, and he'll go deeper into the quarter. So John, thanks Randall. When looking at our third quarter,
adjusted EPS was 94 cents, up more than 4%, and up slightly for the year. As Randall mentioned, we're on track to reach our expected low single digit growth for the full year. Revenues were down in the quarter, due in part to tough -over- However, adjusted operating margin was up 30 basis points with gains in mobility, entertainment, and Warner Media. Our cash flows are on a record pace for the year. Cash from operations came in at $11.4 billion, and free cash flow was $6.2 billion in the quarter, and nearly $21 billion a year today. This puts us firmly on track to reach our full year target of free cash flow in the $28 billion range, both from ongoing operations and including about $2 billion from a full year of applying our working capital approach to Warner Media's assets. This solid free cash flow comes even with strong capital investment. CapEx was $5.2 billion, and total capital investment was $6 billion, when you include the $800 billion of payments for prior vendor financing activity. As Randall said, with asset sales, as well as expected free cash flow in the fourth quarter, we expect to hit our 2.5 times range net debt to adjusted EBITDA target by the end of the year. Let's now look at our segment operating results, starting with our communications segment on slide six. Starting with mobility, we're growing service revenues and adding phone subscribers while increasing EBITDA. Wireless service revenues grew by about 1% in the quarter and approximately 2% year to date, and we expect that trend to continue into the fourth quarter. EBITDA grew by .6% to $7.8 billion, and EBITDA margins expanded by 80 basis points, with service margins of 55.7%. During the quarter, we had 255,000 phone net ads, including more than 100,000 postpaid and 154,000 prepaid voice. We also continued to stack up industry awards, including being named the nation's best wireless network for the second year in a row and fastest for the third consecutive quarter. These awards say it best. Our network investment and spectrum deployment are paying off. Let's now look at our entertainment group. One of our priorities for 2019 was to stabilize entertainment groups EBITDA. Year to date were up 2.3%, with expense reductions outpacing video and legacy revenue losses. Premium video and IP broadband ARPUs continue to grow. Our 300,000 plus AT&T fiber net ads help drive broadband revenue growth. We also expect that our premium video losses have peaked. We had about 225,000 net losses due to programming blackouts. Our gross ads were down about 400,000 due to new, higher intro pricing and credit thresholds, as well as more targeted promotions. And we continued to work through customers rolling off two-year price locks. Those video losses also impacted our broadband numbers, especially our bundled customers. But we did have more than 300,000 AT&T fiber net ads in the quarter. And business wireline revenue trends improved year over year, thanks to our strength in strategic and managed services. That performance came even with about $80 million less of intellectual property revenue when compared to the year-ago quarter. With our strong business wireless performance, our business solutions revenues grew by about 1%. Let's move to WarnerMedia and Latin America results, which are on slide seven. WarnerMedia revenues largely reflect a comparison to a very strong revenue third quarter last year, which included strong television licensing revenue growth and a box office slate that includes several hits. But WarnerMedia operating margins expanded in the quarter. Even with lower revenues, Warner Brothers operating income was up 2% due to lower film and TV production costs. We also will have challenging comparisons in the fourth quarter. We're off to a strong start with a box office success of Joker, but remember, the fourth quarter of last year included blockbuster movies such as Aquaman, Fantastic Beasts 2, and A Star is Born. Turner revenues were up on subscription revenue growth, partly offset by lower advertising and content licensing and other revenues, but operating income was up almost 3%. HBO revenues and operating income saw double-digit growth thanks to strong content sales driven by international licensing. HBO's third quarter is even more impressive when you consider the dish carriage dispute and Game of Thrones finale both occurred in the second quarter. WarnerMedia also delivered another incredible performance at this year's Emmy Awards, leading the industry with 39 primetime Emmys and 15 news and documentary Emmys. Our Latin American team continues to do an excellent job of reducing costs in a challenging foreign exchange environment that helped drive an EBITDA increase of more than 20%. A large part of that increase was due to an $81 million improvement in Mexico EBITDA. We expect this trend to continue and Mexico EBITDA to be positive in the fourth quarter. And we also had a nearly 600,000 wireless subscribers in the quarter. Those are our third quarter highlights. I'll now hand it back to Randall to talk about our three-year financial outlook and capital allocation plan that we announced this morning.
Randall? Okay, thanks John. So what I want to do is talk to you about what you should expect over the next three years. Before we get into the numbers, I want to begin with a broader discussion on our strategy. If you go to slide nine, we'll outline this for you. Since 2012, we've made a series of strategic investments and those investments have been aligned around two overarching trends. First, consumers will continue to spend more time viewing premium content. And second, businesses and consumers will continue to demand more connectivity, more bandwidth, and more mobility. When we began pursuing this strategy, we saw an emerging world in which consumption of video and other premium content was no longer bound to your living room. And everything we expected has arrived. And it has arrived sooner than we or anyone else anticipated. And now the foundational elements of our investment thesis are clearer than ever. It all starts with advanced high capacity networks. From our iPhone experience, we knew the mobile internet revolution and a world of streaming video would require much more capacity than people were anticipating. So we began investing for future demand. First, we spent $20 billion on premium spectrum licenses. Next, we acquired Leap Wireless, which gave us additional spectrum and Cricket's prepaid business. We've doubled the size of that business and transformed it from losing money to healthy margins. And finally, we were selected to build and manage the first responder network for the United States government. And this brought with it another layer of premium spectrum capacity. Over the last 18 months, we've been putting all this capacity into service and the performance results have been dramatic. AT&T now has the fastest and most reliable wireless network in the U.S. We've invested to extend these same capabilities south into Mexico. In four years, we've built a high speed nationwide network and have doubled the customer base. We've also been undertaking the most aggressive fiber deployment program in the U.S. since 2015, with over 20 million locations passed. Over the next three years, our strong spectrum position will allow for lower capital intensity and that bodes well for growing operating margins. The second essential element is direct customer relationships and we have about 170 million of them across mobile, pay TV and broadband. And that number reaches 370 million when you include our digital properties such as CNN.com, Leacher Report, NotterMedia. As we prepare to launch HBO Max, our direct customer relationships are an asset that any streaming company would love to have. Gaining scale in linear pay TV was the core rationale behind our direct TV acquisition. We realized the satellite business was mature and we anticipated subscriber losses. However, the content savings quickly turned our U-verse pay TV business from loss to a profit. And since we bought direct TV, it has generated healthy cash flows of over $4 billion per year or a total of $22 billion in cash by the end of this year. Third, we were convinced that the value of premium content would increase significantly over time as consumer demand continued to grow and new forms of distribution emerged. And I think you've already seen that with some of the multiples paid for media companies after we did our deal. Vertically integrating content distribution is the future and we're seeing it across the board. And last, the vast distribution network and subscriber base brings unique viewer and customer insights. Pairing these with our large advertising inventories at direct TV and Turner and creating an ad tech platform is a unique opportunity. And every move we've made has been focused on building these four critical capabilities. So now, as we conclude 2019, we are the clear leader in network performance and capacity. We have one of the premier entertainment companies in the world with a broad-based presence and premium content and direct customer relationships and I wouldn't trade places with anyone. So if you turn to slide 10, we're going to take a look at our three-year outlook. Looking ahead, let me take you through the keys to our financial outlook, to our capital allocation plan and all this will drive compelling returns for our shareholders. We'll start at the top line. We expect total company revenues over the three-year period to grow by 1 to 2 percent per year. This will be driven by strength and mobility, increased fiber penetration and WarnerMedia. As mentioned earlier, our wireless business is now enjoying operating leverage from investments made over the last five years. Our WarnerMedia cost synergies are on target. And EBITDA at AT&T Mexico is ramping and we're identifying significant opportunities for margin improvement through ongoing cost evaluation and operational review. Given our incremental investments in HBO Max in 2020 and our expectations for strong growth and equipment revenue driven by the 5G upgrade cycle, we expect our adjusted EBITDA margin to be stable in 2020. From there, we will drive 200 basis points of EBITDA margin expansion by 2022 above the 2019 levels. Improving margins 200 basis points will give us an EBITDA margin of 35 percent in 2022. And applying a 35 percent margin to a revenue basis growing 1 to 2 percent per year produces an EBITDA lift in the neighborhood of six billion dollars in 2022. And that includes our investment in HBO Max. The drivers for this EBITDA margin expansion are WarnerMedia cost synergies, continued improvements in our wireless business, continued EBITDA growth at AT&T Mexico, and our plan to take out costs across the entire company. In fact, we've hired Bill Moro. He's a special advisor and managing director of process service and cost optimization. And he's leading our enterprise-wide cost reduction initiative. Bill has been CEO of large communication companies in the US, Europe, and Australia. He has a proven track record of creating -in-class cost structures. He'll have full authority to examine and change our cost structure across the entire company to ensure that we achieve the targets that we're outlining today. Bill's work will be overseen by the board's corporate development and finance committee and myself. And it will be above and beyond what we're already doing with network virtualization, real estate consolidation, and our other ongoing cost reduction initiatives. Our free cash flow has grown significantly over the past few years. That's thanks in part to our DirecTV and Time Warner deals being cash flow day one. We expect free cash flow to be at $28 billion in 2020. And as the HBO Max investment declines and we execute against our cost takeout initiatives, free cash flow will grow by more than $1 billion in 2021 and another $1 billion in 2022, reaching $30 to $32 billion in 2022. Now let me talk about our three-year capital allocation framework. We'll continue to grow the dividend as we have since I joined the company. Expect modest annual increases and a dividend payout ratio going below 50% in 2022. After paying the dividend, we expect to use 50 to 70% of our free cash flow to retire about 70% of the shares we issued for the Time Warner deal. And we will continue to reduce debt going forward. Our target is that by 2022, our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio will be between two and two and a quarter times. And we'll have retired 100% of the debt we took on for Time Warner. This is a very comfortable leverage ratio for us. We have routinely pruned the portfolio of assets that don't contribute to our core strategy. In fact, when you conclude what we've done in 2019, we've monetized more than $30 billion in non-strategic assets over the last few years. You should expect continued evaluation of our businesses and more progress on divesting assets that are no longer core to our fundamental mission. As I mentioned earlier, we expect to realize about $14 billion in non-core asset monetizations this year. And we're targeting $5 to $10 billion next year. This is a continuous process for us. And it's one of the areas in which our Corporate Development and Finance Committee dedicates a tremendous amount of time and attention. With the support of our board generally, and the Corporate Development and Finance Committee in particular, I've instructed our executive team to begin the next review of our portfolio. And we're going to give you regular updates on our progress as we've done over the last year. We're committed to an objective, diligent, and disciplined process. We'll analyze the merits of each of our businesses individually and as a part of the whole. But let me be clear, we have no sacred cows. We're always open to making portfolio moves. And DirecTV has been the source of a lot of public speculation in that regard. As we said, it will be an important piece of our strategy over the next three years. But no portion of our business is ever exempt from a continuous assessment for fit and performance. We'll approach it with a fresh set of eyes and clarity around the rapidly evolving consumer environment. And we'll evaluate multiple options that includes partnerships and other structures. Likewise, given the quality of our assets, there will be no major acquisitions during the next several years. With our financial outlook and the benefits of our capital allocation policy, we expect EPS growth in 2020 will be up low single digits. But by 2022, we expect EPS to be between $4.50 and $4.80. That includes our investment in HBO Max of between 15 and 20 cents per share in 2020, and then 10 cents per share in 2021 and 2022. And as you can see, over the next three years, revenue, EBITDA, and EPS all grow every single year. Free cash flow is stable in 2020 and then grows in 2021 and 2022. This plan will deliver both substantial and consistent financial improvements for the next three years. And before I hand it to John for his perspective on the three year plan, I want to say a few words about what you'll see tomorrow at Warner Brothers Studios and our investment in the HBO Max platform. This is a terrific product, and I honestly can't wait for you to see it. John Stanky and his Warner Media team will take you through all aspects of the strategy, the product, and the rollout, including our revenue and subscriber expectations for the next five years. We'll be investing to maximize the value of the service, which will drive growth and value to Warner Media and to AT&T as a whole. HBO Max is a terrific platform, and we're aligned in making it great while also being responsible with our capital and value. We'll make the significant investments required to win in the marketplace, but we'll also hit our numbers and ensure that we deliver on the promises that we're outlining for you here today. I feel really good about this plan, and I'm highly confident in hitting each of our three year objectives. So now I'll ask John to provide his perspective on our three year plan. So, John? Thanks, Randall.
Let's turn to slide 12 and dive a little deeper on some of the details of the three year plan. We're expecting 1 to 2% revenue kegger for the next three years. On the operational side, we expect wireless service revenues to grow by more than 2% per year. First net, our network quality improvements and reseller initiatives all offer growth opportunities for us. We also expect 5G device adoption to boost equipment sales as we launch our nationwide 5G network in 2020. We also expect to continue our broadband revenue growth to help offset legacy and video pressures. And we expect to see significant incremental growth during the planning period from HBO Max and targeted advertising from Xander. Randall did a good job of laying out our EVITA and EVITA margin growth plans. Our incremental cost plan will contribute to the 200 basis points of EVITA margin improvement. One way we plan to do that is through product simplification. Our future video product set will focus on two platforms, HBO Max, our subscription video on demand service, which you'll hear more about tomorrow, and AT&T TV, our live TV offering. Turning to capital allocation plans, we expect to return about $75 billion in value to shareholders over the next three years. Through 30 billion of share retirements and 45 billion in dividends. Our share retirement will be aggressive. We expect to retire about 70% of the shares issued for the Time Warner deal. That's more than 10% of the company. You heard our debt reduction target earlier, but let me repeat it here. We intend to target leverage between 2.0 times and 2.25 times. As CFO, I'm very comfortable operating the business in that range. Randall also mentioned that we over achieved on asset modernizations this year and will monetize more non-core assets next year as we continue to analyze the merits of all of our That's our three-year outlook, but let's look at our 2020 guidance on slide 13. Let me start by letting out that all these financial projections take into consideration the impact of our investment in HBO Max. We expect revenue to be up low single digits, driven by growth from wireless service revenues and strong equipment revenues from the launch of 5G smartphones. This revenue growth represents our best top-line performance in several years and highlights the strong performance across our businesses. We expect the base business will generate EPS of $3.75 to $3.90 per share. When you subtract the 15 to 20 cents per share of HBO Max investment, we expect adjusted EPS growth in the $3.60 to $3.70 per share range. Our share retirement program will be a big part of this growth. We also expect consolidating EBITDA margin to be stable with 2019 levels, even with the impact from our HBO Max investment and 5G smartphones being available next year. Helping us keep EBITDA margins stable will be wireless service revenue growth warner media synergies and our cost initiatives. Free cash flow is expected to be in the $28 billion range. It's about the same as this year, even with the HBO Max investment. And our dividend payout ratio will be in the 50% range. We'll continue to invest at leadership levels in 2020 with an expected gross capital investment in the $20 billion range. And we'll continue to monetize our asset portfolio. We expect $5 to $10 billion of asset monetizations in 2020. Let's next walk through the components of our three-year EPS growth plan on slide 14. As you can see from the chart, our path to $4.50 to $4.80 a share is clear and achievable. A large part of that expected growth is a result of share retirements. That alone should get us about $0.40 a share. Our enterprise-wide cost reduction plans and Mexico profitability growth should net us another $0.25. Our remaining warner media synergies adds another $0.20. We'll also include about $0.10 of HBO Max investment in 2022. That business should turn profitable after that. The growth plans that we've just outlined for you provide real earnings opportunities. When you combine our dividend yield along with share retirements of more than 3% a year for the next three years, that provides a yield of about .5% per year. And when you factor in EPS growth, you get a solid double-digit return. I want to reiterate what Randall said earlier. We have a high degree of confidence in delivering on these commitments. We're hitting our marks in 2019 and feel very strongly that we will do it again with this three-year plan. Randall?
Okay, thanks, John. And before we get to Q&A, I want to speak to just a couple of additional issues. And if you go to slide 15, we've listed these. Over the last few years, we have continuously refreshed our board of directors. It's been done under the leadership of Matt Rose. He's our independent lead director and chair of our nominating committee. Today, the average tenure of our independent directors is eight years. And of our 12 independent directors, 10 have joined the board since 2012. This is the board that has directed our transformation into a modern media company. And along the way, we've added new directors with the skills and experience to inform and guide our business strategies. That includes three directors since 2015 with particularly strong backgrounds in large-scale video distribution, media and entertainment, and digital media. Looking ahead, we have two directors retiring in the next 18 months. As a result, we have added new directors and added additional skill sets that align tightly with the objectives I outlined this morning. In fact, we've been in discussion with some exciting candidates for some time. And in the coming days, following our next regularly scheduled board meeting, we anticipate adding a new board member with deep expertise in technology and executing strategic cost initiatives. This new director will be added to the corporate development and finance committee, which has responsibility for overseeing our cost program and the evaluation of our portfolio. And we'll then add another director in 2020. Finally, there's been a lot of speculation recently concerning my retirement. The board and I have not yet set any formal plans for my retirement as CEO, but having been in the role for over 11 years, you can rest assured the board and I have begun detailed planning for when that date arrives. We've spent many years guiding the business to the wrong position we have today. And for all the reasons I've described, I believe we're on the threshold of something really remarkable in terms of the next chapter of AT&T's storied history. I have every intention of being here, and I will be here through 2020 to ensure that we hit the objectives we've laid out today, to drive significant growth in EBITDA margins and EPS, and to drive the growth of our investing growth areas, and to retire all the debt and most of the shares issued in the Time Warner merger. My goal and my strong belief is that this is going to drive significant long-term value for our shareholders. And helping me do this will be my talented colleague, John Stanky, who has recently appointed COO. He has a big job, and his teams are working together to develop their joint plans, and John is continuing to build his leadership teams across all three businesses. The board and I have very high expectations for John. I'm excited for him, and I look forward to seeing him tackle his new responsibilities. Together we're all about execution and delivering on our three-year plan. You should also understand that the board views leadership and CEO succession as one of its most important responsibilities to shareholders. The board's HR committee, which is led by Chair Beth Mooney, oversees our talent management program and our succession planning process. Under the HR committee's leadership, the board's evaluation of all potential candidates for the CEO position has been underway for some time, and it continues today. Further, whenever my transition as CEO does occur, the board has already determined that it will separate the chairman and the CEO positions. This is an exciting time at AT&T for all of our shareholders, our customers, our partners, employees, and investors. The board and our entire management team and I place the highest priority on generating value for our shareholders. Following five-plus years of heavy investment, it's now time to reap the rewards of these investments and deliver some strong returns. We believe that the plan we have taken you through today is going to deliver strong performance across all measures, and that it should generate significant value creation in the near and the long term. The strategic transformation we've been working on for several years has enabled us to develop this new plan, and we've assembled the best set of capabilities to excel as a modern media company. The objectives we have outlined today have been central to our plans for many months, even before we closed our acquisition of Time Warner. But as you would expect, our thinking has also benefited from robust engagement with our owners. That includes Elliott Management. And given the shareholder interest in our engagement with the team at Elliott, I'm happy to address that subject very directly here. Over the past several weeks, Matt Rose and I have found our engagement with Elliott to be both constructive as well as helpful. Among other things, Elliott has met with the prospective new director that I mentioned earlier, and is enthusiastic about that addition to our board following our next meeting. These are smart people, and they very much understand the tremendous opportunity that we have to create substantial shareholder value. As we move forward in the coming months, the board and I look forward to continuing our close collaboration with Elliott on strategy, operational initiatives, and our portfolio, and to see through the value enhancing steps that I've laid out today. I'm excited about our strategy, and I'm very excited about this plan. And I want you to know that I'm all in on running this play and seeing us execute it. So I know you have a lot of questions, and so we're going to open it up to Q&A. So, Mike, I'll turn it back to you.
Okay, Greg, we are ready to take questions, and can you please give us those Q&A instructions? Thanks.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press 1 then 0 on your telephone keypad. You may withdraw your question any time by repeating the 1, 0 command. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up the handset before pressing the numbers. Once again, if you have a question, please press 1 then 0 at this time. And one moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of David Barden from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Congrats on the new plan. So I guess, Randall or John, as we kind of think about this more prescriptive capital allocation plan that you've kind of outlined with respect to dividends and stock buybacks, could you kind of talk about how that wraps around the potential for spectrum acquisition or kind of other opportunities, and especially as it dovetails with the kind of commitment to the no acquisition posture? You know, in the media world in particular, it seems like this is very much becoming a scale game. It would seem that more scale would be better if this is the right strategy. Could you kind of wrap all this together for us in terms of how we kind of get the business developed in the right way while at the same time following through on these commitments for capital allocation?
Thanks. Yeah, Dave. Hi, this is Randall. I'm going to start and I'll let John supplement what I say here if there's anything else he wants to add. But what we have given you today is a cash flow forecast and plan, builds around operational aspects that would allow us to do the shareholder returns that you heard us talk to you today, particularly around EPS accretion and such, to the extent that we need to engage in spectrum acquisitions of some type, and I have to be cautious because we're in a quiet period here, but what I can give you confidence in, what I tell you, we now have confidence in, we developed a lot of muscle over the last couple years on cleaning up the portfolio, and I am very confident that portfolio cleanup and asset dispositions will more than offset anything we need to do in terms of spectrum acquisition. So what we're committed to is this capital allocation, this capital return plan, because we've been investing very aggressively over the last five, six years to get us to this point, and I just think we're in a very seminal point, Dave, a point where now it's time to reap the rewards of what we've been doing, and so drive that margin expansion, get the 1 to 2% revenue growth. It's going to generate incredible cash flow. CapEx comes in 2020, as you saw in John's numbers, and so begin to reward the shareholders with these investments that we've been making over the last few years. So bottom line, we're committed to what we've laid out here in terms of capital returns. When we talk about M&A, we've said no major M&A, we like the assets we have. I mean, this is really across the board a quality premium set of assets. If we have to do tuck-in acquisitions here and there to supplement capabilities, like you saw the HVO lag deal that we did Friday, the LA, or pardon me, the Latin American HVO property. That's a small acquisition that's immediately accretive, and it just supplements what we're trying to do in Latin America with our HBO Max product. And so you'll see those kind of things, but in terms of big M&A, we have no leads given the assets that we have right now.
Yeah, Dave, just to put it kind of a numerical perspective, you know, $500 billion balance sheet, finding 1 to 2% a year on an ongoing basis is certainly a reasonable goal and something we have high expectations to be able to achieve. From a practical standpoint, we've announced two deals, Puerto Rico and the CME transaction that was announced yesterday, that are going to provide about $3 billion in capital just next year. So we have a great head start to the deals that will close next year that will give us more cash, things that we've already gotten done. And you can rest assured we've got more of that in process. And then with regard to spectrum, as Marino said, can't comment on the 39 that's underway. With regard to the C-Ban and other future auctions, certainly we'll be interested. As always, we're interested in fair auctions that provide as much spectrum available to the marketplace and allows all bidders to bid. We think we have to take some time, particularly with the C-Ban and the SEC, but certainly we'd be interested by the same token. There's a clear expectation we'll pay for it with asset monetizations on this balance sheet that we have that opportunity to do that.
Awesome. Thanks for the call, guys. Thanks, Dave.
Your next question comes from the line of Philip Cusick from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
So around video, have we hit the peak of losses in terms of near-term video trends? And how do you think about the impact of AT&T TV launching versus the price increase of AT&T TV Now recently? And it looks like you plan to invest about $1.5 to $2 billion in HBO Max in 2020 and about $1 billion a year for the following couple of years. How do you think about this level of investment to drive success in a market that's increasingly full of competitive offers? Thanks.
Yeah, hi Phil. This is Randall. I think John mentioned it in his comments that in terms of the video losses, particularly around the satellite product, third quarter is the peak. Third quarter is we had a couple of significant blackouts in terms of content, and those blackouts drove some sizable subscriber losses, and then we had the cleanup that's been going on in the customer base in terms of prior promotions and so forth. And so we have pretty much run to the end of those. There's a little bit more of the customer cleanup that will run into Q4, but in terms of the losses, they'll be significantly improved in the fourth quarter and get better as we move into next year. As you think about the product portfolio going forward, and you're seeing this in terms of the pricing moves that we're making, but as we get into next year, you're basically going to see our traditional satellite platform, which is going to have a long life. I mean, this business continues to be really strong, generates a lot of cash flow. As I said in my comments, it does more than $4 billion of free cash flow a year and has done $22 billion since we owned the thing. But as we get into next year, you'll have the satellite and then you'll have the software platforms. And AT&T TV is the standardized software platform, and that will be our primary vehicle for going to market, particularly pairing it with our fiber product and our broadband product. And then HBO Max becomes the workhorse for our video product as we move into next year. And all of the muscle, and as you can see and as you articulated, the range of investment is going behind HBO Max. In terms of are we comfortable with that level in what you called a crowded field, I actually think the field in terms of where we intend to play is not that crowded. We intend to play at a significant level. And we're starting with a product called HBO, which has a very significant position in the marketplace. And as you're going to see tomorrow, we're investing heavily behind that brand and bringing additional content to bear. And I actually feel very comfortable. And I think tomorrow, Phil, that's all tomorrow is about, is to get you comfortable that this is a unique product. This is a product that's going to be very different from anything else that you've seen in the market so far. This is not Netflix. This is not Disney. This is HBO Max. And it's going to have a very unique position in the marketplace. And I would tell you, we feel very comfortable at these investment levels that we can do something very, very significant in the market and drive some significant subscriber gains. This is going to be a meaningful business to us over the next four or five years. And we're talking, you know, 50 million subscriber business. And I'm really, really enthusiastic about this. So the video product gets really streamlined and simplified as we move into next year. Satellite and then software product. And then one of the big cost initiatives, and it's not inconsequential, is John Stanky is bringing the video platforms, the software platforms. He will be standardizing all of these. And as you can well guess, AT&T TV, we have a development and cost associated with that. HBO Max, there's a technology development cost associated with that. Putting these on a standardized platform over the next couple of years drives significant savings as well. So I feel pretty good about the platform and the numbers should improve as we move forward. Randall, to be
clear, the 50 million you mentioned, is that current or forecast?
Forecast. That's what we're forecasting, domestic HBO Max over five years. Thanks very much.
Okay, thanks, Bill. Thank you.
Greg,
we'll take the next question.
Your next question comes from the line of John Hudlick from UBS. Please go ahead.
Great, thanks. Maybe two questions, one for John and one for Randall. John, can you give us some more detail on the, I guess both the near term and the sort of longer term, 200 basis points of margin improvement? I guess Randall just mentioned that some of it comes from product simplification within the entertainment segment. But can you talk a little bit about how you expect some of those cost initiatives to impact each of the segments? Should we expect continued improvement in wireless margins and then enterprise and WarnerMedia? And then for Randall, I guess with today's announcements, the company has addressed, I'd say, the majority of the issues laid out in the Elliott letter. One I didn't see, though, is with John Stanky taking on the role of COO, what's the timeframe for him to relinquish leadership of the WarnerMedia asset? Thanks.
Thanks, John. Let me take the first question on the 200 basis point improvement in margins. Let me give a base case that we are expecting improvement from mobility. We are expecting improvement from Mexico. We are expecting improvement from the WarnerMedia cost synergies. With that being said, these additional cost synergies that we're talking about, I would categorize in just a couple of three buckets. First one, I think you'll see product simplification. I think we'll see a big effort with Bill and the team working with John and everyone across the enterprise on product simplification. I think that should provide significant rewards. Secondly, I would tell you that there's still general administrative expense savings. I think that opportunity continues to be there. You've got to remember that we've only got final quarter clearance on the time order deal just six months ago. We've got more opportunities in bringing that together. Third, the video platforms, Randall mentioned this, and the standardization of those platforms, bringing those platform costs and development and capabilities together, not only is a great business result but also an opportunity. I think those are three things I'd point to real quickly and real briefly. We'll look at everything there are. Just like with the portfolio, there's no sacred cows. To give you just a more simple sense of it, about $180 billion of revenue, about $120 billion of COE gives us our $60 billion of EBITDA. If we can mine out 1% to 2% of our COE every year, that's in that billion and a half to 2 billion range. I'm not setting a target for ourselves, but you can give us a sense that that really gives us some comfort with regard to that overall $6 billion EBITDA improvement, especially when you've got great progress and things like Mexico, great progress in mobility, real improvements across the enterprise.
I would actually just append a little bit to that. We're going to now have Bill Moro and John Stanky heading up an initiative to take these costs out. I'm not going to go into the details here, but John just gave you the big blocks of what they will go after. These are two process improvement hawks. They are probably as good as it gets anywhere in terms of streamlining process, simplifying process, and taking costs out. As you look at this plan of the areas that I have the least concern that we will achieve, setting objectives to get costs out, to get 200 basis points of margin expansion, this is probably the area I feel the most comfortable with. There are some big target areas in terms of what we go after to take these costs out. This is stuff we do, and we do it really, really well. We all have a lot of experience here. The cost piece, it will get done. I don't spend a lot of time worrying about that one. In terms of your question on WarnerMedia, when will John Stanky relinquish leadership of WarnerMedia? I don't anticipate he will relinquish leadership of WarnerMedia. It's under his purview as COO. He's got a big job, and he has been spending a lot of time building his leadership team and getting the right people in the right spots and getting HBO stood up. I would tell you on the WarnerMedia side, I think what he has done over there in terms of building the team that's there, the hires he has made, Bob Greenblatt, you're going to get a full dose of Bob Greenblatt tomorrow as he launches the HBO Max product. This is an impressive guy. He's got great media chops, been around, a lot of experience, and Sarnoff coming in to run Warner Brothers, just a really, really impressive hire. As you think about WarnerMedia, I have no doubt he'll find the right person for that job as well. I feel really good about the team that John's assembling, and I feel really confident about where he's going. Thanks, John.
Your next question comes from the line of Simon Flannery from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Great. Thank you very much. Good morning. So coming back to the buyback, could you talk a little bit about the timing of the buyback? I think you're saying 9% of these outstanding over a three-year period, but how should we think about that flowing through in Q4 and in 2020? Is there really a number in terms of $25 billion or X number of shares? What's the messaging here? And then coming back to the last question on costs, is there a timeframe for Bill Morrow to complete his evaluation and to come back to you and the board and then potentially to us with more clarity around the buckets diving into the things we've just been going over at a high level? Thank you.
Yeah, Simon, this is John. Let me take on the share retirement question first off. If you go back and look at the Time Warner transaction, it was about 1.1 billion shares. If you take 70%, it's about the 750 million range of shares. That's the communication we intend. I would suggest to you that we haven't laid out a specific timeline for how much each day, how much each month or quarter. We're going through that process now, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is somewhat front-end loaded or at least front-end loaded in individual years. I would tell you we are very respectful of the commitments we made to get into the 2.5 range, and we're going to do that, and I want to make sure this doesn't change that, just like we're going to do this share retirement consistent with getting into that 2 times to 2.25 times. I do feel really comfortable operating the business at that level, particularly in today's interest rate environment and our cash flow environment, I feel very comfortable with it, but we're going to respect that and make sure we do that. With regard to the process for buybacks, as you can imagine, we're looking at everything from accelerated share purchases to open market purchases to other transactional aspects, but I do think it's fair to assume that we would focus on trying to front-end load or trying to do more earlier, and within a year, I do not expect it to be smooth. Additionally, within the three years, as I expect we're going to be successful with this plan, we will see our stock price change, and as it changes, our dividend cash cost of that equity gets adjusted downward, and so you have to continually evaluate the total cost and total investment and total decision-making process. It's a fairly direct decision-making process today, and we will continue to evaluate that, but that's how we're thinking about it, and if we feel very comfortable about getting it done, it's just a matter of getting the process implemented and moving forward. Nothing to announce on how many shares we may or may not buy in the fourth quarter, but clearly the commentary we put out that says some share retirements are in the mix for the fourth quarter is a fair statement.
Great.