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spk06: Good morning and welcome to Teetra Technology's second quarter 2024 results conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. Please note this event is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Julian Higuera. Please go ahead.
spk01: Good morning and thank you for joining Teetra's second quarter 2024 results call. The speakers for today's call are Brady Murphy, Chief Executive Officer, and Elicio Serrano, Chief Financial Officer. I would like to remind you that this conference call may contain statements that are or may be deemed to be forward-looking, including projections, financial guidance, profitability, and estimated earnings. These statements are based on certain assumptions and analysis made by Teetra and are based on several factors. These statements are subject to several risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond the control of the company. You are cautioned that such statements are not guarantees of future performance and that the actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. In addition, in the course of the call, we may refer to EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margins, pre-cash flow, net debt, net leverage ratio, liquidity, returns on net capital employed, or other non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to yesterday's press release or to our public website for reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the nearest GAAP measures. These reconciliations are not a subject, not a substitute for financial information prepared in accordance with GAAP and should be considered within the context of our complete financial In addition to our press release announcement, we encourage you to refer to our 10Q that we also filed yesterday. I will now turn it over to Brady.
spk02: Thanks Julian. Good morning everyone and welcome to Teetra's second quarter 2024 earnings call. I'll summarize some highlights from our second quarter results and provide an update on our strategic initiatives before turning the call over to Alihio to discuss second quarter financials and additional perspectives on our third quarter. Our second quarter results can be characterized as mostly consistent with the overall trending oil and gas markets during the second quarter, which was lower US completion activity with increasing activity in the international offshore market. This combined with our seasonal second quarter peak for our European industrial chemicals business and lower deep water project activity in the Gulf of Mexico contributed to our results of 14% sequential revenue growth and 32% increase adjusted EBITDA. Our completion fluids and products and water and flow back segments achieved adjusted EBITDA margins of .9% and .2% respectively. Water and flow back adjusted EBITDA margins of .2% was an anticipated rebound from .6% in the first quarter, a sequential improvement of 560 basis points. Year over year revenue was down 2% compared to US onshore rig activity down approximately 16%. Adjusted EBITDA of 30.2 million was .6% of total revenue and inclusive of 1.1 million of foreign exchange losses. During the second quarter we secured a three well deep water Gulf of Mexico CS-Neptune fluids project for a super major oil and gas operator. This is an important milestone as this is the second super major operator in the Gulf of Mexico to select CS-Neptune for their completions program and the first Gulf of Mexico deep water CS-Neptune fluids project since the fourth quarter of 2019. Following a dramatic impact to the timing of potential CS-Neptune deep water projects due to the COVID pandemic in 2020 and 2021, we have since seen our pipeline of projects move forward and are pleased we have been successful awarded this project. The first well is not expected to begin the completion phase until the fourth quarter of this year and the timing of the entire project is expected to be between Q4 2024 and the second quarter of 2025. Unlike our prior CS-Neptune fluid Gulf of Mexico projects which were single wells spread out across several years, this program is a three well batch drill and complete program with the completion phase expected to start in the fourth quarter. As a result, it is likely that the three wells will be completed between a six to nine month period assuming things go as planned. As demonstrated from the past CS-Neptune Gulf of Mexico projects, these wells represent a material revenue increase over our typical deep water completions. Because of the back to back efficient, back to batch, back to batch, sorry excuse me, back to back batch completion program, there are some efficiency on the inventory side planned for the project but the overall project revenue numbers will also be very dependent on the fluid losses from each well. Obviously, we are excited for this award and we continue to have productive discussions with other operators for CS-Neptune programs in the Gulf of Mexico. For water flow back, we previously announced that we expected second quarter margins to recover in mid-teens and despite lower operator completion activity levels in the second quarter, we are pleased we achieved adjusted EBITDA margins of 15.2%, a 560 basis point sequential improvement. Our strategy for water flow back continues to be a two pronged approach. Automation of every service aspect from blue links automated movement and transfer of water to the automated sandstorm, automated and automated drill out systems. And secondly, the treatment of operator produced water for frac reuse and desalination for beneficial reuse. Collectively, these strategies will reduce HSC exposure for our employees and our customers, lower labor cost per job and provide an environmental benefit of less freshwater usage while reducing seismicity risk and providing a valuable water resource for agriculture and industrial applications. While the strategy is well underway with blue links and water transfer, the number of automated systems deployed for sandstorm and auto drill out is only just beginning, but so far with exceptional results and customer acceptance. We're also deploying our first sandstorm to the Middle East market for a major national oil customer. If a successful trial is completed as anticipated, this could be a major new market opportunity for the company. With regards to water desalination and beneficial reuse, I would like to provide some color on where we are. We previously communicated that a South Texas commercial production facility was imminent. Unexpectedly, our customer was told that the permitting would be on hold and linked to results from a West Texas pilot program where urgency for a solution is a bigger priority. This is highlighted by the most recent earthquakes that hit West Texas, the largest of which hit 5.1 on the Richter scale and prompted the Texas Railroad Commission to open investigation. Accordingly, we are working closely with our customer on the commercial terms for a beneficial reuse pilot project in the Permian Basin. In addition, we have ongoing discussions with three other major customers for pilot projects that, in addition to West Texas and South Texas, include Mid-Continent and Appalachia regions. We currently have nondisclosure agreements with seven customers and have had many of them visiting our functioning pilot units at our research facility in Conroe, Texas. While the delay of the launch of our first commercial project was unexpected, we realized our customers have to work with the regulatory bodies and focus on areas with the biggest impact to the environmental challenges the industry faces. We have demonstrated that our technology is able to treat oil and gas well-produced water to the regulatory environmental specifications required and oftentimes to be of higher quality than the water found in rivers and in water wells with the ability to scale for commercial applications. Since utilizing operator oil and gas well-produced water for agricultural purposes has been occurring in California for several years, we are optimistic that Texas and New Mexico will soon follow suit. Moving on to our strategic initiatives, following our very recent visit with the EOS executive management to their plant in Turtle Creek, Pittsburgh, we are confident EOS is on the verge of materially higher production volumes, requiring materially higher volumes for their electrolyte. Ali and I were very encouraged with what we saw firsthand with their automated line and the excitement of their employees working to automate the line from start to finish. EOS recently completed a recapitalization that allowed them to source the capital to complete the first line and have the working capital required. Seeing the automated line working at EOS facility is a vast improvement from what we have seen in our prior visits. As EOS ramps and brings the automated line up, the volumes of pure flow and electrolyte they require will increase materially over the minimal volumes that we have shipped them so far this year. We have increased our capacity in West Memphis to meet the expected EOS demand. We also continue to advance discussions with a second zinc bromide customer using pure flow for their electrolyte technology. On the Arkansas bromine side, we're on the final review of an SK1300 definitive feasibility report or DFS. The economic analysis prepared based on the assumption that the bromine project is completed independent of the planned lithium project. As a reminder, the bromine project will allow us to achieve the following benefits. First, vertical integration for supply of elemental bromine at a lower cost than buying it from third parties, making this a margin enhancement project. Second, it gives us more volumes to meet the continued growth in oil and gas demand for high-end, high-value completion fluids and the growing zinc bromide long-duration battery market requirements. And third, positions us for the long-term utilizing our Arkansas bromine leases estimated to be over 80 years of resource supply as our current long-term elemental supply agreement comes to an end at the end of 2029. On the lithium side, we're continuing the feed engineering effort and are targeting a major milestone for the plus minus 10% project cost and economics by the fourth quarter of this year. At that time, we will also be able to quantify the cost synergies for having both lithium and bromine production from the same plant and upstream brine unit. Summarizing on the strategic initiative side of things, the desalination of produced water for beneficial reuse, pure flow electrolyte for long-duration energy storage, Arkansas bromine and future lithium supply are all material financial benefit to the company that we will quantify as we complete key milestones for each throughout the year. Collectively, they are transformational for the company. It's also important to understand that the desalination of produced water, zinc bromide-based electrolyte for energy storage, and direct lithium extraction are not only new businesses for Tetra, but for the most part are new and emerging markets for the United States. So predicting accurate timing on key events is more challenging than for existing and established businesses. Our processes have been very methodical and our focus is to get it right and not get it out before we're highly confident with our work and our analysis. Without alternative tool, he would provide some additional commentary on our financial results and then we'll take some time for questions.
spk07: Thank you, Brady. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA of $30.2 million was negatively impacted by $1.1 million of foreign exchange losses. Nonetheless, this was below our expectations as the U.S. onshore market was progressively weaker during the quarter, especially around water transfer. We are focused on the quality of our earnings and will not be chasing work at low margins. With our focus on returns on capital and free cash flow, we are not prepared to chase lower margin opportunities. We had committed to improve water and flow back adjusted EBITDA margins to the mid-teens in the second quarter and achieved that with a $560 basis improvement to 15.2%. We believe that revenue in the third and fourth quarters will be flat to the second quarter and we expect to continue our efforts on keeping our EBITDA margins above 15% in an environment where onshore activity is flat. Brady mentioned that our efforts of leveraging technology and automation are pivotal towards gaining market share and declining market compromising margins. Completion of fluids and products revenue saw the expected higher revenue and earnings from the peak industrial chemical season in Europe. Recall that a few years ago we expanded production capacity in Northern Europe and took advantage of this and of the available higher volumes this peak season. Our second quarter could have been even stronger as we managed to do a few challenges. The first was a strike by port workers in Coca-Cola that restricted our ability to offload limestone to produce calcium chloride and also restricted our ability to load and ship product. This strike started in the first quarter and ended early in the second quarter. Additionally the quarter started with winter conditions harder than normal with a frozen harbor making the movement of vessels in and out a challenge. Despite all this our calcium chloride business continues to perform very well. The industrial calcium chloride business is just below 140 million dollars in revenue on a 12 month basis and represents a stable revenue EBITDA and cash flow stream. While the oil while the onshore oil and gas industry has been slowing for now but appears to be a short period of time the offshore oil and gas market continues to also do well. As Brady mentioned we have a nice sequential improvement in Europe and Latin America that were partially offset by the timing of projects in the Gulf of Mexico. Due to the timing of deep water completion activity we expect the third quarter revenue and EBITDA to be comparable to what we saw in the first quarter for the completion fluids and product segment but the fourth quarter should be a should then see a meaningful step up from the third quarter taking into account the first of the three CS Neptune wells. Based on all the information we are hearing from our client and assuming no delays in the work schedule we should complete the first of the three CS Neptune wells in the fourth quarter but there is a possibility it could move to the first quarter. Recall that we are in the middle of the hurricane season in the Gulf of Mexico that could impact project timing. The three wells CS Neptune project is a major achievement for Tetra and is one of many projects that we have been following for a long period. Recall that we previously completed a five well project for ExxonMobil in the Julia field between 2015 and 2019. These types of projects are high revenue per well given the technical environmental challenges that Neptune can address including in this case down hole conditions as high as 340 degrees Fahrenheit. For the second quarter we are also committed to an improvement in free cash flow. In this press release we are breaking up free cash flow between the base business and cash flow from our Arkansas investments. Free cash flow from a base business in the second quarter was 19 million dollars a sequential improvement of 45 million dollars from the first quarter. We further expect the third quarter free cash flow from the base business to again be strong as we monetize the inventory and receivables from the northern Europe industrial peak season. During the second quarter we invested 9.8 million dollars for engineering, reservoir analysis and other studies in Arkansas. This 9.8 million dollars is net of what we were reimbursed by salt works consistent with our memorandum of understanding. We continue to jointly invest in Arkansas and advance towards formalizing a more formal agreement. These investments are necessary to allow us to quantify the required capital for future bromine and lithium production. Once those economics are fully understood we can move to a more formal arrangement. Liquidity as of this week was approximately 187 million dollars inclusive of the 75 million dollar delay draw feature that is available to Tetra for the bromine project. In addition to the loaded liquidity we're also holding slightly over 14 million dollars of marketable securities in standard lithium and Kodiak and this can be monetized at our convenience. In May we refinanced, extended and expanded our asset based loan facility or ABL at an equally attractive interest rate than our prior ABL facility. This further strengthens our balance sheet and provides us the flexibility to execute on our growth initiatives. The maturity of the ABL is May of 2029. Nothing is outstanding on this facility. All our debt is now 2029 or 2020-30 maturity dates. At the end of the second quarter our net leverage ratio was 1.6 times. Return on net capital employed for the 12-month period ending June 2024 is a very healthy 17.4 percent materially above our cost of capital. The CS Neptune project which we believe to be the first of several in the coming years plus the continued recovery of the deep water market that can be best with calcium bromide and zinc bromide. Our market leading position in the calcium chloride market and the expected requirements for zinc bromide battery electrolyte is positioning us for what we believe to be a very solid 2025. Let me turn it over to Brady for closing comments and we'll open it up for questions.
spk02: Thanks, Luigio. In closing we're pleased that we are achieving the goals that we've set out for the company. The CS Neptune award is reflective of our strong market position in the deep water market and will have a material impact on our financials over the next six to nine months. We're on track with our water and flow back business to continue margin progression through new technology with the desalination for beneficial reuse continuing to gain momentum. We have a solid balance sheet close to 180 million dollars of liquidity and we expect to continue to generate strong free cash flow from our base business to fund our strategic growth initiatives. We expect a strong finish to the end of the year but just as important significant momentum and heading into 2025 and beyond. With that we'll now open it up for questions.
spk06: Thank you presenters. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speaker phone please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question please press star then two. At this time we will pause momentarily to assemble a roster. And your first question comes from the line of Bobby Brooks of Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead your line is open.
spk08: Hey guys good morning thank you for taking my question. You know my first question is just on the CS Neptune outlook right so great that you guys got the three projects nailed down with the one super major but if I recall in the first quarter you guys talked about how the level of discussions for CS Neptune projects within the Gulf of Mexico was at the highest highest that you've ever seen and that was occurring with multiple different operators. So I just wanted to get a sense of what you know how those conversations obviously these you got is there potential for more from this operator and then maybe just any how have discussions went with those other ones. I know Ali Hill at the end there talked about the these might be the first of several in the coming years so just kind of more detail on that.
spk02: Yeah Bobby so we have a pretty extensive pipeline of projects with operators that that that we've been tracking for for many years. I think I've mentioned before that these types of projects come a long lead time in terms of the types of testings that's required you know last for testing formation testing fluid compatibility with with everything the operator is doing with their completion and so you know we've got a very healthy list of pipeline of projects. Obviously we're pleased with this award but we are having multiple discussions with operators that are that are part of that pipeline of some of those some of those could materialize before the end of the year in terms of new awards. Some of them may carry into the next year or beyond it's difficult to say until you know you actually get the award you want to be you know careful of how we communicate that but I can tell you we are having multiple discussions with multiple operators regarding additional projects beyond just this these first three.
spk08: And and just to clarify that's on that is specifically for these CS Neptune projects in the Gulf of Mexico which obviously are very revenue intense and high EBITDA margins for you right?
spk02: That that's correct the Gulf of Mexico wells are quite unique just from the pure volume of the fluid that's involved in the completions and the technical requirements of the fluid to meet these these ultra deep water temperature and pressure conditions.
spk07: And Bobby just to add this is on top of our traditional completion fluids business in the Gulf of Mexico. Some of the bigger projects that can be addressed with the basic calcium bromide or zinc bromide could range anywhere from two to five million dollars per well for the basic completion fluids before we move to a Neptune type well.
spk08: Got it thanks for that color and then jumping over to beneficial reuse. I as mentioned how you signed seven seven different NDAs with seven different operators right? I think it could be helpful to just help frame that a little more. Maybe contrast that with how many NDAs were signed at the beginning of the year versus now. Were any of the you know were any of the NDAs that you had signed at the beginning of the year did those back out?
spk02: So yeah we have not had any NDAs back out and there is there I don't know the exact number Bobby but I would tell you they have definitely increased as we've gone through the year. The nature of these discussions obviously we have some some proprietary technology some of which we have filed some some patents for but obviously you know until we're issued the patents we want to be protective of the proprietary nature of our of our technology. That's the reason for the for the NDAs and that allows us to have very deep discussions with the the operators the customers for their very specific requirements around their their produced water and the treatment procedures and technologies we will use for that for their program which obviously we hope evolves into a pilot program which we've already done with you know the first customer we've been discussing for some time but now we're in multiple serious you know pilot commercial discussions with multiple operators.
spk08: Got it thanks for that caller. And then just last one for me is could you sold you know 9.8 million in capex towards Arkansas right? That's net of reimbursement from the partner are you able to disclose how much how much the reimbursement's total?
spk07: Yeah those are covered by our by our NDAs so we'll obviously only report what impacts Tetra's financial statement but assume that our partner continues to work side by side with us on all the initiatives around Arkansas.
spk08: Fair enough congrats
spk05: on the SAW quarter and I'll return back to you. Thanks guys. Thank you. Thank
spk06: you and your next question comes from Josh Jane of Daniel Energy Partners. Please go ahead your line is open.
spk04: Thanks good morning. First one I wanted to ask just on Sandstorm being deployed to the Middle East market could you talk about the total addressable market and what it looks like for you if this is successful maybe over the next couple of years as a starting point?
spk02: Yeah I mean we're clearly seeing some activity increase in the Middle East several markets for the unconventional markets that are developing and clearly there's an addressable more market today. You know I don't want to give specifics about the numbers in today's market but as that unconventional activity continues to increase in several of the Middle East countries it's a perfect application for Sandstorm. So we'll keep you posted as that market develops and we can quantify it but it's a little early for us to do that at this point.
spk04: Okay and switching gears a little bit to offshore completions fluid activity you noted that it was stronger in Q2 and Q1. Maybe you could just walk through the markets outside of the Gulf of Mexico and how you're seeing those markets shape up over the next 12-24 months would be helpful.
spk02: Yeah so you know we clearly outside the Gulf of Mexico we have strong market positions in Brazil in the North Sea and to a lesser degree you know West Africa and Asia Pacific but certainly we see a very good growth going into 2025 in the Brazil market and we are extremely well positioned in the Brazil market for that growth outside again outside the Gulf of Mexico. North Sea we continue to see steady improvement steady progress not just in the typical completion activity but also opportunities for us for Neptune opportunities in the North Sea. Now typically they're not as large of a size of projects clearly not as large as in the Gulf of Mexico but they are you know very very profitable opportunities for us as that market continues to evolve and then you know we have spot markets around the world that we work with the major service providers on providing completion fluid technology for those you know for those markets but overall the international offshore market we see as a continuing trend you know improving and that obviously includes the Gulf of Mexico.
spk04: Okay thanks and then maybe just one last one to ask the Gulf of Mexico Neptune question a little bit differently. When we think about the margin uplift from this specific project that's going happen for you in Q4 and early into 2025 is the margin profile different or better for this project than we might see from traditional projects because not only maybe is the pricing environment a little more constructive but also just the fact that the wells are stacked back to back I was just curious if you could elaborate on that a little bit more and to help frame your expectations for the first half of 2025 and then I'll turn it back thanks.
spk07: Josh good question the margin that we make on a Neptune project has many variables that go into it it depends on how many volumes how many thousands of volumes of fluid barrels we inject into the well it depends on the duration of the fluid in the well whether it's in there for a few weeks or many many weeks and also on how much fluid is lost in the well the prior project that we did the losses of the fluid in the well were quite significant at this point we're making an estimate as to how much fluid might be recovered from the well but they will be higher than traditional offshore completion fluid projects and they can move the entire segment meaningfully.
spk05: Okay thanks I'll turn it back. Thank you and your next question comes
spk06: from Kurt Hawley of Benchmark please go ahead your line is open.
spk09: Hey good morning everybody. Good morning Kurt. Hey you know I think I'm gonna come back around to that the water opportunity recycling or use and so on and it's awesome to see that you guys are getting you know some traction with a number of different EMPs around it I think probably speaks to the value proposition. Now I'm kind of curious you know when you think about the the dynamics at play and you think about how the customer base may be pursuing this could you give some sense as to is this is this being like you know supported by the you know the governmental and regulators in in Texas and is that a key element of the driver or is it you know a combination of that and maybe the EMPs wanting to reduce their environmental exposure just kind of curious what the underlying drivers of this market will be that will help it make a reality.
spk02: Right so the largest fundamental driver behind this is the fact that the seismicity events in west Texas are clearly linked to over pressuring the disposal wells and formations in the in the region. I think we've seen the Railroad Commission put restrictive injection profiles around certain areas. I think there's three or four in effect today in terms that are starting to restrict the amount of water that operators can dispose into these formations. There was just just recently as I mentioned in our comments a number of fairly sizable earthquakes one of them were hitting a 5.1 Richter scale just last week that there was an article out that the Railroad Commission was going to be investigating that and so this problem is not going to go away until there is a solution to address the over pressuring of disposal wells and lack of pore space you know to inject additional disposal water. Now you know there's a couple solutions to that and operators can truck water from the areas where it's being produced to other areas farther away that are not under pressure that that gets pretty expensive you know pretty quickly. We think the the best solution is to treat that water and turn it into a resource you know right on the in the general vicinity of where that water is and we're definitely you know looking at those options relative to their alternatives and we think at the price point that we can achieve the cost point that we can achieve with our technology that it's going to be a sizable market opportunity for it but that's really the drivers. The regulatory agencies are definitely tracking this extremely closely they've actually visited our facilities looked at our technology given us very encouraging feedback as to the solutions that we're offering but clearly there's there's you know there's a lot that goes into permitting you know produced water that has potentially has a lot of organics and nasty elements in it to to allow it for beneficial reuse and as I mentioned in our comments that's already happening in California today. That's been going on for several years now we're treating produced water for agricultural purposes has been in place. I just think it's a matter of time before Texas and New Mexico quite frankly you know get get caught up with getting their regulatory guidelines and specifications in place.
spk09: Okay that's that's really good color so maybe shifting a bit in and you know in the context of you know the opportunity that you have going on in Arkansas investments that you've been making I know you referenced there's a final review that's kind of underway right now but I guess my commentary is this right you guys have a royalty agreement with Standard Lithium you know for what they produce it looks like Equinor has made an investment in what Standard Lithium is doing that follows on with the joint venture that you have with Exxon on your acreage so you know what should we should we think about this dynamic and play now with Exxon and Equinor you know are these you know firm interest levels or do you think that you know this is more of a from an oil company standpoint you know we got a you know get a sense of what's going on here but we're really not fully committed and I know I know what the answer is on but I'm just kind of curious what your take is you know with respect to well Equinor's investment in Standard Lithium's project and do you think that makes that more real and the outcomes there more real?
spk02: Yeah we I mean we know Equinor quite well from our dealings with them in the oil and gas world and we've met our project team that's based here in Houston for that project and you know my perspective is they're every bit as committed you know as any other you know operator would be for this type of a project that's invested in this I mean obviously things can change but from what we can tell they're very much committed I don't want to speak for them but that's just our observation I think at this point in time you know we're still going through the engineering process and don't want to get ahead of ourselves until we get the final engineering and the economics of the project in place that we can publish and talk about we expect to have that completed before the end of the year and then we'll be able to publish hopefully the results of that both in terms of the capex the opex the financial returns like we're getting ready to release hopefully as soon as next week on the bromine definitive feasibility study but until we have all those numbers kind of pulled together and each of whether it's ourselves whether it's equinor and standard lithium and ourselves with salt works and exon mobile and we don't want to get ahead of ourselves until we have some economics to speak about yeah yeah that's all fair
spk09: all right and then maybe we just like kind of wrap on on this one you guys are you know have a a electrolyte supply agreement you know for you know battery energy storage systems as as you referenced i think there was some opportunity or possibility you know to start delivering those electrolyzers and volumes in volume before the the end of the year do you have any updates for us on the timing of that
spk07: yeah so curt just as a reminder we did ship and we have sold electrolyte to eos in prior years a lot of what they sold in 2022 and 2023 included our electrolyte that's part of what's out in uh in the market right now both charging and discharging battery i recall that last year they made a decision to transition to their latest version of the technology and then suspended activity as they were making that transition brady and i a little over a week ago made another trip to turtle creek and visited with the eos management team and it was very encouraging to see how they progress the automation of the latest version of the battery how they are now fully automating the assembly and production of the batteries when brady and i were there we saw how the electrolyte was automatically being injected into every battery we think we're going to go from shipping them electrolyte in totes to full tanker trucks and just as an example one tote can contain around 4200 pounds of electrolyte a tanker truck can contain 45 000 pounds of electrolyte and what eos was doing is was modifying their facility to take tanker trucks instead of totes we believe based on what we saw that they were be up in full production in q4 and at that point the expectation is we're going to start shipping electrolyte in tanker trucks versus totes and the volumes increase meaningfully and the impact we think to us is going to be quite significant in 2025
spk05: okay that's awesome appreciate that that's it for me thanks group you again if you would like to ask a question please press star one on your touchtone phone and your last question comes from patrick ullet of
spk06: five fold please go ahead your line is open
spk03: okay good morning it's pat on for steven jangero thanks for taking the questions
spk07: morning
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spk03: hey good morning i believe you'd mentioned a potential second customer for the zinc bromide electrolyte could you just talk about your ability to meet that sort of demand or how margin changes if you need to source bromine from the open market
spk02: well first part of the question you know we've been working with the second customer for some time you know i think they're they're clearly in terms of their ramp up manufacturing capacity you know just really getting started in terms of developing that manufacturing capacity here in the united states so well time will tell how fast they're able to ramp up but i don't see a you know a big impact to us in terms of our overall you know bromine supply in 2025 or potentially into 2026 it just depends on how fast they scale up their their manufacturing certainly relative to what eos has done who put a you know entire automated assembly line with a battery coming off the line every every 10 seconds or so so it's not not really comparable yet at this point but the fact that they're using zinc bromide the technology works they've got commercial installations at a pretty small scale it gives us a lot of good confidence in the technology itself as we have with with with eos so so i don't think it's really going to be much of an impact for any third party purchases that we would need over the you know next year or so to to support that activity
spk05: okay great that's that yeah
spk03: and then so for the third quarter could you just remind us of any seasonal impacts in complete completion fluids from europe or maybe what you're expecting to see there
spk07: no seasonality beyond what we see in the second quarter for the calcium chloride business in northern europe obviously we're hoping that there's no hurricanes in the gulf of mexico that disrupt activity but that would be the only seasonality that might be out
spk05: there okay great that's all for me thank you thank you
spk06: this concludes our question and answers session i would like to turn the conference back over to mr murphy for any closing remarks
spk02: well thank you very much appreciate you joining us and and appreciate your interest in in tetra technologies look forward to our our next discussion with you thank you
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